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iPhone App Store Rejects Find a New Home

eldavojohn writes "A new site called App Rejections (somewhat slashdotted already) aims to provide a home for misfit apps. With Apple offering no documents or discussions on the matter of application rejections, this site might become a popular place to pick forbidden fruit. Could a third party horn in on Apple's monopoly in the iPhone application market?"

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  1. there's an app for finding a new home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    oh, wait...

  2. No by jschottm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that the linked site appears to have much if anything to do with breaking the monopoly. The vast majority of iPhone apps are very inexpensive, so the only hope of making anything above hobby money as a developer is to be part of the Apple marketplace that offers tens of millions of potential customers. Not to mention the suspicion that people who jailbreak phones are likely to know how to pirate software as well, making them a less desirable market as well.

    The site provides another forum to attempt to get Apple to reform its ways and to try to help each other figure out the sometimes murky meaning of the rejections. There's no revolution there. Until someone provides a real threat to Apple's hardware/software iPhone platform, it has no real motivation to mend its relationship with developers.

    That said, karmic payoff may just bite them once there's that alternative.

    1. Re:No by JimmyPorter · · Score: 4, Informative

      The evidence from developers who have tracked apps which contact a server is that the vast majority of copies of iPhone games are pirated. And all the pirate copies are on Jailbroken phones. This doesn't imply that all jailbreakers pirate software. But it does mean that developers have good reason to be wary of the market.

  3. Article title correction by zblack_eagle · · Score: 5, Informative

    "iPhone App Store Reject Stories Find a Home". Actual rejected apps are not available there, nor necessarily anywhere else.

  4. A serious black eye by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know that old phrase about those who don't know their history being doomed to repeat it?

    I don't know what Apple is thinking. Up until now, it's all been good for them because of the lack of serious competition. With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?

    The scary thing is that Apple has been in this EXACT situation before. They owned a large market share of the PC market way back when IBM PCs were too expensive for the common consumer to afford. They kept all of their hardware all locked up tight, with proprietary everything. As the cost of PCs came down as the hardware moved to commodity parts and the PC "clone wars" cranked up, Apple took a beating and damn near went out of business.

    I already have friend who refuse to buy an iPhone because it's locked down so tightly. The two most common complaints I hear, in order, are: "I refuse to sign up for AT&T's service," and "I keep reading about how they won't let people publish their apps." The more they press this issue, the more they are setting themselves up for a spectacular failure. (And yes, I know people who have bought Android-based phones specifically because they don't like a company telling them what they can and can't run on hardware they paid good money for.)

    Apple has been a cool company the past few years. I have an iPhone and a Mac (which I'm typing this comment from now, in fact). Still, if I owned stock in Apple, I'd be selling it about right now because they are moving in the exact opposite direction that the market is.

    1. Re:A serious black eye by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?

      Android was first released in October 2008, with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago. According to Apple, the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days, so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion? Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor? It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.

      I'm not an Android hater, I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it, but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on /., and I'm struggling to see why. Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones...

    2. Re:A serious black eye by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. I think Apple should allow developers to distribute Apps without going through Apple's store.

      There are two advantages:

      1. Developers can work on applications without the fear that Apple will decide they can't publish them. They might need to have a "Plan B" if Apple chooses not to do so, but they aren't completely SOL.
      2. Apple can choose to not accept applications that are yet another fart app or tip calculator or some other stupid thing without having to worry about people's complaints. This also allows Apple to prune it's App Store and get rid of all the crap and make discoverability easier.

      Apple's customers can choose to only visit Apple's Store or they can download from elsewhere when Apple chooses not to publish something (and accept some risk).

    3. Re:A serious black eye by dbcad7 · · Score: 4, Funny

      What are you worried about ? .. breath in.. breath out.. It's only a phone, you already spent the money and made your commitments.. you'll be ok.. breath in.. breathe out.. another's success doesn't make you a failure.. breathe in... breath out..

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    4. Re:A serious black eye by ZmeiGorynych · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup, agree completely. As cute as some iPhone functionality is, I've heard enough bad press about how Apple handles its developers (and had enough bad experiences of my own with an iPod earlier), that there's no way in hell I'm buying one. Thanks goodness the Nokia n900 is coming out - in spite of all the rough edges I'm sure it'll have, that's the one I'm going for (and me wife is getting one too;) ). And I'm not alone in that among my friends, either.

    5. Re:A serious black eye by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you think Apple should just accept every fart-app hack, poorly written, buggy piece of scrap code a developer ships their way?

      They currently do accept such crap, so what is your point?

      I submit to you as evidence the hundreds of flashlight apps which simply light up the screen, the copies of Apple demo apps, iFart Mobile and the many copies, IAmRich (only removed after customer complaints), the appalling UI of 'TripLog/1040', etc etc. There are thousands of apps which can in no sense be rated as quality apps on the store right now.

      The app store vetting is not about quality (as evidenced by all the crap-ware on the store), it is about control of competitors like Google and the purse-strings for the platform. They want to collect money on each transaction, and exclude any apps which they feel compete too closely with Apple products, and if that wastes months of time/money for third-party developers, or even their close partners like Google, well that's just too bad. The current policy certainly won't lead to more quality apps on the store - quite the reverse.

      Apple are of course legally within their rights to restrict competition on their platform, whether it is in the interests of their customers, or indeed Apple long term, is debatable.

    6. Re:A serious black eye by rmav · · Score: 5, Interesting

      With Android-based phones cranking up, how long will it be before Apple loses their market share due to these shenanigans?

      Android was first released in October 2008, with the first device being available the same month - thats over a year ago. According to Apple, the iPhone sold more than 4 million units in the first 200 days, so wheres the equivalent Android sales explosion? Analysts are expecting Android sales to outstrip iPhone sales by 2012, but why is it going to take that long if Android is such a good competitor? It didn't take the iPhone anywhere near two and a half years to take a significant chunk of the market from competitors.

      I'm not an Android hater, I haven't used it so I don't hold an opinion on it, but it seems to be held as the ultimate saviour on /., and I'm struggling to see why. Its not the iPhone I am worried about, its the Android series of phones...

      There is an analysis here, not entirely without flaws, that explains some of the problems Android is facing.
      http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/21/inside_googles_android_and_apples_iphone_os_as_software_markets.html
      One of the biggest ones is hardware: limited flash on board castrates applications.

      And leaving some of control of the firmware to the handset makers is the single, biggest mistake you can do. One of the main reasons the software scene on Symbian is lo lousy. You end up with too many different versions of the OS in use at the same time, and in some cases updating will be very, very difficult (did it never happen that a give FW update was NOT available for your specific Nokia handset - and thus you were unable to use some applications? IN Europe this is very common).

      And TOO different HW characteristics. Some people complain that Apple's 480x320 screen is no longer the coolest around.

      Of course Apple is already working on updates to the display - but in such a way that applications and icons won't look like rubbish (like scaling on the Motorola Droid). I need non insider info to know they are: they would be dumb if they didn't - and they may be evil, but not stupid.

      I expect an exact doubling of resolution in both axes, and this will of course happen a bit later than on the Android platform (854x480 current on Droid), and with some _very_ simple software support (developers will have to check if such a screen is available, otherwise apps will be scaled, I guess).

      Roberto

    7. Re:A serious black eye by JimmyPorter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple decide, and some disadvantages for them are that:

      1) Apple will get blamed by the press and blogosphere for any malware. Just as Microsoft gets blamed for Windows malware. But malware on a mobile phone can be much worse. It can cost you a lot of money on your phone bill.

      2) Apple doesn't receive 30% of revenue if it's not sold through the App Store. Why would a company voluntarily give up revenue?

      A disadvantage for the consumer is that life gets more complicated. A low price one stop shop such as the App Store is convenient. They are relieved of the concern that a better cheaper app is available elsewhere.

  5. Hello Editor. Did you RTFA? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary implies that the website is going to be a home for rejected apps.
    TFA shows that the site is there to collect information about why Apple rejected apps.

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  6. Re:He speaks about 50/50% market share times by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There were guys who have just 60 days worth of living money and if some idiot intern rejects their application, they will be financially doomed.

    This is what I would call "poor risk assessment skills". If you're depending on a capricious entity for your livelihood, I'd suggest a change of employment cause you sure as hell ain't gonna change Apple.

    *Ahem* game releases became _fewer_. Countable and non-countable nouns. The more you know!

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  7. Insightful? I beg your pardon? by garote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's say Android is deployed on every smartphone in the world that isn't an iPhone. Some are large and fragile, some are gold-plated, some with touchscreens, some without, some with keyboards, et cetera et cetera. To do this, every manufacturer and carrier needs to write custom firmware, apps, and UI elements to work with their handsets, on top of Android, ... so let's just say they did, and they work just fine, and here we are.

    How does this in any way constitute a threat to the iPhone?

    Here's another scenario: Let's take every computer in the world, from the toughest HP rig to the crappiest mini-ATX, and make them all run the same OS. Let's call this rival OS something suitably generic, like, "windows". By sheer numbers alone, it will totally crush Apple and their puny OS X! Except it hasn't.

    What magic sauce does Android promise that will counteract the crushing weight of a zillion competing handsets and their chump code monkeys clamoring to distinguish themselves with blingy but utterly unusable interfaces?

    I'd really like to know.