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Canadian Blood Services Promotes Pseudoscience

trianglecat writes "The not-for-profit agency Canadian Blood Services has a section of their website based on the Japanese cultural belief of ketsueki-gata, which claims that a person's blood group determines or predicts their personality type. Disappointing for a self-proclaimed 'science-based' organization. The Ottawa Skeptics, based in the nation's capital, appear to be taking some action."

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  1. Not surprising. by LikwidCirkel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you lived in Ottawa, like I do, you'd understand that we're nearly the most absurdly "politically correct" place on earth. This is reflected by a common effort to be "inclusive" to other schools of thought. Also, there are more complainers and "letter writers" in Ottawa than any other city on Earth. I'm sure, so none of this seems out of the ordinary to me.

    1. Re:Not surprising. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wearing one of these(I am not affiliated with or profiting from, merely amused by) or being sure to use the phrase "So open-minded your brain has fallen out" is the only viable response to such behavior.

    2. Re:Not surprising. by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you lived in Ottawa, like I do, you'd understand that we're nearly the most absurdly "politically correct" place on earth.

      From what I've seen, the Japanese take this only slightly more seriously than people here in the US take horoscopes. If Ottawa is actually concerned about not offending Japanese Ottowans, I think they should probably be more concerned about not assuming the Japanese are that stupid.

      Looking at the website in question though, it seems like it's just a gimmick to get people to donate.

      For type O here is the full extent of the information:

      So, you’re an O. You already know that having type O blood suggests that you might be competitive, goal oriented and a real meat eater. Did you also know that anthropologists believe that type O is the oldest and most common blood type, originating in Southern Africa?

      [next page]

      45% of Canadians have type O blood. Group O blood is like no other and can only receive blood from other people who are group O.

      One unit of your blood can help save up to three lives, and we know that giving blood is in your nature.

      Many experts believe that your personality, career and even your diet can be influenced by your blood type. In addition to your tendency towards romanticism, an aptitude for writing and a love of hearty eating and exercise, here are a few other things you should know about being an O [3x3 chart here with fluff]

      [next page]

      All Types

      Every minute of every day, someone in Canada needs blood. Blood is used to help save the lives of ordinary people in extraordinary health situations.

      If you are unsure of your eligibility, please take a look at our basic eligibility and temporary and indefinite deferral information, or call 1 888 2 DONATE (1 888 236-6283) for assistance.

      If you have already made an appointment to donate, thank you. If not, please review our clinic locator and call 1 888 2 DONATE (1 888 236-6283) to book an appointment or to find a "What's Your Type" even in your community today.

      For more information on blood and blood types, please browse our Web site or visit:

  2. Nonsense peddlers often sneak in... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thin edge of the wedge with this sort of thing is its popularity with the public at large. I'm sure the logic at CBS HQ was (unless the staff are themselves woo peddlers) "Well, yeah, it's pop-nonsense; but if it will draw attention, we'll get more blood donors, and we really need all of those we can get." That can be a compelling argument, and the compromise can seem so harmless at the time.

    You also see this sort of thing happen when otherwise respectable medical schools will get endowed institutes in nonsenseology because some big donor has $200 million; but also believes that squirting coffee up his ass cures cancer.

    1. Re:Nonsense peddlers often sneak in... by Rary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. It clearly states that "The What's Your Type? program is a recruitment program with information provided for the participants' enjoyment" (emphasis added). It's just a silly recruitment program, and it blatantly says so. They're not claiming that there is any science behind it. This is not the science-oriented people in CBS backing this, it's the PR-oriented people.

      There is no conspiracy here to to drive a wedge of Japanese pseudoscience into an otherwise scientific organization. This is a bit of silliness to get people interested in donating blood.

      Seriously people. Relax. Loosen your tinfoil hats. "They" are not conspiring to take your precious science away.

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  3. It breaks down as follows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Type A: Asshole

    Type B: Bitch/Bastard

    Type AB: Asshole and a Bastard

    Type O: Okay

  4. Odd name for the group by xrayspx · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Ottawa Skeptics, based in the Nation's capital

    If they're based in Toronto, why are they called the Ottawa Skeptics?

    /Go Boomer!

  5. Why is this news? by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems like a fairly harmless "just for fun" type thing. This is like ripping on someone for reading a fortune cookie.

  6. Re:Politically correct? by Daengbo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You're lucky you live in Quebec. I had to endure the torture of "What's your blood type?" from all my friends the whole five years I lived in Korea. I obnoxiously answered "I don't know" (even when I did) just to avoid being typed. Of course, I answer the same to Thais when they ask "What days of the week were you born on?" and to westerners' "What's your sign?" Unfortunately, I can't pretend I don't know my birth date. Western culture doesn't seem to take the matter too seriously, but Korean and Thai cultures do.

    These practices all need to die. Do you want to understand me? Get to know me.

  7. It's a joke. Laugh. by biryokumaru · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find that mostly the people who buy into these things are either Libras or Scorpios. Us Virgos don't fall for all that bunk.

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  8. Re:Donor restrictions by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Informative

    You may not remember this, but back in the 90s blood services in Canada were run by the Canadian red cross. They infected tens of thousands of people with HIV and Hepatitis, due to improper handling and care. CBS was created in response to this scandal, so unsurprisingly they have always been enormously risk-averse when it comes to infectious disease. I, for example, am not allowed to donate blood because of time I spent in the UK- they're afraid I may be a mad cow. It seems a bit silly, but I understand the reason. Not everything is bigotry.

  9. Re:Teach the Controversy Riddle-runes by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 5, Funny

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  10. Re:Japanese Science and Pseudo by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many, many famous scientists are such skeptics, such as Richard Dawkins, Phil Plait, Carl Sagan...

    I'm pretty sure you've got some agenda you haven't quite revealed to us. So, what exactly is your agenda? Believer in ESP? Ghosts? Homeopathy? Hmm?

    Your talk of going to pubmed and looking up the terms yourself makes you seem clever to the uninitiated but anyone who has ever used a scientific DB would know that those keywords are going to produce a lot of noise. Indeed, they do--and almost none of it, if any, has to do with ABO-typing and personality, but merely hormones or chemicals in the blood influencing personality traits, something almost no scientist / skeptic would deny. I looked over the keywords you gave. Some of them reference no association found between a personality characteristic and some chemical, some of them are completely tangential, and again, almost none of them have anything to do with the blood typing myth.

    You try to present yourself as a scientist very well, but I have to question how much you really do in practice, as any researcher, even on an undergraduate level, would be able to instantly spot how much noise the keywords "blood type personality" would produce. And indeed, it does--all the results that come up do NOT support ABO typing to personality, despite you implying that the results you'd get with those keywords indicate research done on ABO-typing and personality. It's telling how you don't even cite a single study, instead pointing people to impressive-sounding numbers on database hits in a database using broad key words in order to make it seem like research is being done on ABO-typing and personality when there isn't, because the notion has long been discredited even in Japanese scientific circles.

    You clearly have some sort of agenda, to so cleverly try to mislead people the way you have What is it?

  11. Re:Japanese Science and Pseudo by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 4, Informative

    I forgot to further note that the ABO-typing and personality theory has nothing to do with hormones and possible effect of chemicals on behavior. That is what comes up on the studies provided on your keywords. That is what makes your attempt to fool people so obviously deliberate--you obviously know that those results don't have anything to do with what the "skeptics" (as you lovingly put in scare-quotes) are complaining about, yet you still went ahead and tried to present the results as evidence that ABO typing is mainstream science somewhere.

    Someone ought to mark DynaSoar down as a troll for this, because it's really just a disguised troll towards "skeptics" because someone pissed in his cheerios over his religion or pet superstition, that he wants to pretend is science, and is using this incident to further his grudge.