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Craigslist Blocks Yahoo Pipes
Romy Maxwell posted a blog piece on Craigslist apparently shutting off access to Yahoo Pipes. Maxwell was working on a project, one of 2,111 using Craigslist as a data source, for a (non-commercial) Pipes-based mashup. He sent Craig Newmark an invitation to the alpha test, after a few rounds of friendly communication — "...as a rule of thumb, okay to use RSS feeds for noncommercial purposes." The apparent response, 4 days later, was for Craigslist to redirect any request with an HTTP referrer of pipes.yahoo.com to the Craigslist home page. Maxwell writes: "It's a sad day for me. I'm not too upset about my own project, as Flippity was already removing Craigslist as a data source. With the likes of eBay and Oodle not only providing open APIs but encouraging and rewarding developers, spending my time wrestling with Craigslist is just plain stupid and exhausting. I'm sure I'm not the only person to have come to that conclusion, and I wish it were different. ... If Craigslist wants to keep its doors shut to the world, so be it."
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scraping other websites' content over http is generally a huge waste of resources (and money) for that websites' operator, so unless you can give him something of considerable value in return (like Google does - I'll gladly serve 4 million pages/day to their bots if I get 200k visitors through Google in the same time, visiting my website and not just looking at my content somewhere else), be prepared to get locked out. Naturally, something you consider "a cool feature" isn't necessarily the sites' owner's idea of sufficient compensation. Perhaps some day ISPs will pay websites for the traffic and bill their clients for it, then websites might react differently.
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
I hate to say it, but Craig's List has been a spam haven for some time. Some parts of better than other, but at least 90% (really) of everything in the personals section is pure, 100% spam and scam. Very little of the community section is real now, too.
Google and MS are businesses that do far more than what Craig's list does. Even just with the software development, it takes far more than 30 people to do that at either company. Let alone the other work of promoting the products and doing the accounting. And even with the staff that MS has the company is probably, if anything, understaffed for the real needs. Had they had far more people working on developing software they'd probably have released there first 32bit only OS a couple years earlier.
Let me fix that for you ...
When desktop computing got its start a turdle machine cost about $3,500, and a good one was double that. (And the definition of "good" was something that today you'd be ashamed to have sitting in your garbage can on collection day).
*grumble* You kids nowadays *grumble*
They're not making nearly the same revenue per employee, though, so there seem to be some diminishing returns. Craigslist brings in somewhere around $6 million per employee, while Microsoft brings in about $600,000, and Google about $1.1 million.
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Craigslist leverages the Internet to provide a hell of a lot of service to a hell of a lot of people without doing much work at all. They skim a little money from some of those people and say that's enough.
Microsoft creates a lot of work for themselves by making lots of new features and then convincing people that they need them. It's how they leverage their advantage as the world's largest software company, and the rest of the industry (and lots of people doing OSS) fall for it.
Google is probably pretty much the same these days. The point is that these companies are worried about shareholder value first, they're worried about winning. That's why they make all this work for themselves. Craigslist just provides the service. Take it or leave it.
It gets disheartening to flag 30 bad ads in a row from the same user only to come back the next day and see the same user with another 100+ bad ads. You get burnt out and just give up after a while.
I'm speaking from experience searching the real estate ads in places like Los Angeles and Las Vegas where a handful of brokers keyword spam their ads with the name of every single town and neighborhood in the entire area. In my case it became a lot more worthwhile to find something unique about the keyword spammers and add that as a negative search option rather than flag every bad ad that I happened upon from using a more naive search.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
About 50% of the craigslist ads I've responded to were from the same scammer, who tried to get me to paypal them "because they were out of town". Unfortunately, craigslist doesn't have a "fraud" flag, nor are they doing anything to prevent this kind of fraud spam. I tend to look at my local listings every day and the percentage which is the same crap that the same idiots have been spreading across twelve posts (like the dipshit parting his VW camper... and listing every part separately) for months now has only been going up. Craigslist is well on its way to total uselessness, and their refusal to allow others to mangle the data is a contributing factor. Nine times out of ten if I use google to search craigslist, everything I'm interested in is a deleted posting, so I have the choice between breaking the AUP by using a scraper site to hit multiple CLs, or just going to eBay. Luckily, I have no particular use for CL personals ATM.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
In fairness to Craigslist, they have a pretty thorough anti-abuse system. If you read spammer forums (I do) you'll see that they learn reputation on IP blocks, ad content, links, and force phone [re]verification on anything that looks suspicious. The bar has been raised dramatically over the last 6-8 months, so, they are trying. Beneath the humble covers is a pretty sophisticated anti-abuse operation.
I set up my e-mails to my boss and boss's boss in 2 sections, executive summary then detailed information. I pretty much know the things that they want but give the additional detail in case the need more info and I'm not present to answer questions.
Have you ever read something and thought "get to the point already"? When directors and above is wading through tons of e-mails executive summaries help move the process along faster.
open source sub sim. I might start coding again for this. http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/contribute/
Honestly? This is ridiculous. No, the MAIN changes are not themes. That's just apparently all you've noticed. I'm sure you're just being coy, but give me a break. Microsoft is imperfect enough on its own without people spreading complete nonsense. Give them credit when they earn it, for crying out loud.
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