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Musical Tesla Coils Perform Zelda

heychris writes "You've gotta love the Chicago Tribune's story on Tesla Coil hobbyists from the first sentence. 'Under a starry Saturday sky behind a Lake Zurich warehouse, three men unload a small flamethrower, electric cabling, neon-tube "light sabers," about 80 pounds of chain mail and two 7-foot devices that look like monster-movie props.' So what does one do with 1.6 million volts and a Tesla coil or two? Play 110dB music, of course."

82 comments

  1. Dr. Zeus killed the LHC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks for knocking the LHC offline AGAIN!

    1. Re:Dr. Zeus killed the LHC by Kagura · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Dr. Zeus killed the LHC by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Knock knock knocking on Hadron's door.

    3. Re:Dr. Zeus killed the LHC by Cryacin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Knock knock knocking on Hadron's door.

      Thank god you're not dyslexic.

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  2. Saw this by Firemouth · · Score: 1

    I saw this in a hotel room in Nashville at Phreaknic. Or at least something very similar... loud as hell. Wicked cool though. Guy was running off of an mp3 player from what I understand.

    1. Re:Saw this by BHearsum · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't this more of a visualization than an instrument?

    2. Re:Saw this by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're more like speakers than an instrument. He's not "playing" them so much as they're just outputting a pre-programmed song. The act is just for entertainment.

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    3. Re:Saw this by Firemouth · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it was "pre-programmed" or not. I got the impression that it was somehow detecting the beat of the music and then adjusting the voltage accordingly.

    4. Re:Saw this by VanGarrett · · Score: 2, Informative

      The coils are the actual sound output device. There are no speakers. There are only bolts of fantastic musical lightning.

      There are dozens of videos on YouTube featuring this sort of thing, including people using such devices as guitar amplifiers.

    5. Re:Saw this by Firemouth · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... including people using such devices as guitar amplifiers.

      Would that be an electric guitar?

      Oh man that's a knee slapper!

    6. Re:Saw this by wagnerrp · · Score: 3, Informative

      They call it 'modulated thunder'. Thunder is just the noise produced by expanding gas heated by an electric discharge. The coils are actually being switched at several kHz, producing repeating 'thunder' at a frequency above the point where you stop hearing the individual claps, and instead hear a tone. It effectively is a low-mid range speaker.

    7. Re:Saw this by Sly-Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Based on chatting with them when they did Penguicon in Michigan they use a control circuit to turn the coils on and off at a specific rate. This allows them to use the actual lightning breaks per second to generate sound. E.g. 128 breaks per second roughly equals a sound at 128 Hz.

      When they were coming out here they asked us to provide 2 note MIDI files for playing. If I remember correctly the computer uses MIDI to drive the control circuitry that is fed optically (to avoid coupling to the coil itself) to the drive electronics in the coil. So not so much pre-programmed as interpreted.

      Really neat technology they have put together and darned loud! I wonder if they ever built the other two notes they talked about building at Penguicon. Hearing 4 of those going in harmony would be sweet!

    8. Re:Saw this by fbjon · · Score: 3, Insightful
      That's not all, I'd like to seem them do some frequency sweeps.

      And if frequency sweeps are possible, then FM synthesis should be possible.

      And if FM is possible then the DOOM soundtrack can be played. (!)

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    9. Re:Saw this by Razalhague · · Score: 1

      E.g. 128 breaks per second roughly equals a sound at 128 Hz.

      There's nothing rough about that. Hertz (Hz) essentially means "per second".

    10. Re:Saw this by treeves · · Score: 1

      There's nothing "essential" about that. Hertz (Hz) means "per second".

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    11. Re:Saw this by Razalhague · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that mHz is equivalent to m/s?

  3. awesome by catbertscousin · · Score: 1

    Now that's taking concert pyrotechnics to a new level!

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  4. DragonCon by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They have a similar setup every year at DragonCon in Atlanta during the "Mad Scientist's Ball". I've never actually been that that particular track due to some insane lines (queue up 2-3 hours early if you want to get into that one), but speaking to other attendees it's been pretty cool, and certainly is popular every year.

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    1. Re:DragonCon by DeusInnomen · · Score: 1

      They also show up every year at Duckon in Naperville, IL, in June. That show's held in the parking lot, so it's easy to get a huge crowd. It's tons of fun, you can really tell these guys are having a blast the whole time.

    2. Re:DragonCon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is a comment you posted, how exactly are you going to "mod into oblivion" any replies when you have already commented on the thread? Sounds like a pretty hollow threat. So, technically, "fixed that for you".

      Through his collection of similar minded followers, where together we mod you into oblivion.... Hmmmm?.... Oh damn it! I did again.

      Well then... obligatory "fixed that for you"

    3. Re:DragonCon by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Yes! I, too, will mod you into oblivion!

      Of course, I'm not going to say a silly thing in this post like, "Oh, damn, I posted and now I can't mod you down!" - because if I realized that while formulating this post, I would simply hit the cancel button, instead of "preview" and then "submit"!

      I really think I've got it right this time...

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    4. Re:DragonCon by guru42101 · · Score: 1

      Arc Attack (the ones at DragonCon) put on a great show. The guys in the linked YouTube videos seem so boring compared to Arc Attack's personality.

  5. Sorry I missed it! by mackinaw_apx+ · · Score: 1

    Neat! I reside in Gurnee (about 15 minutes north of Lake Zurich). Wish I would have heard about this happening!

  6. I like this one by TimeElf1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are likely only about 1,000 Tesla coil hobbyists worldwide.

    There are quite a few more of us around as the Pupman mailing list http://www.pupman.com/ and the Geek Group http://www.thegeekgroup.org/ can attest.

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    1. Re:I like this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you'd be one to ask: Isn't it 1.6 million Volts, not Watts??

  7. Not impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasn't anyone seen this sort of thing before? Yeah, it's cool for maybe a couple minutes. But seriously, how the hell does this get to the front page of Slashdot?

    1. Re:Not impressive by TimeElf1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because it's ubercool geekery?

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    2. Re:Not impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we all aren't know-it-all, jaded teenagers like you.

    3. Re:Not impressive by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Nope, some of us are jaded 30-somethings. :)

          I saw this years ago. I didn't build my own Tesla coil, but I did have a spark gap generator that would pulse at the frequencies I specified to make sounds. I ran it up and down the scales mathematically, but from what I understand others have their programs using MIDI files to control their frequencies. Still, a single 2" spark singing to me was entertainment enough, and didn't cost very much. :)

          And ya, I'm bored to see this making news too.

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    4. Re:Not impressive by Sophira · · Score: 1

      Because idle wasn't good enough, I guess?

  8. Re:Epic ... by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen a couple of these videos, and it really doesn't have the staying power of the flaming tuba.

  9. Fluxy by eeth · · Score: 0

    Giga, not jigga.

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    1. Re:Fluxy by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      Giga, not jigga.

      Not when Christopher Lloyd says it!

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    2. Re:Fluxy by eeth · · Score: 0

      I believe either pronunciation is valid, but the spelling is definitely "giga". Great Scott!

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  10. dupe by t35t0r · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    dupe

  11. Re:Epic ... by electricbern · · Score: 1

    +5, Win

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  12. VOLTS, not Watts.. Big difference... by addikt10 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guarantee they aren't using 1.6 MW of power.

    On the other hand, Tesla coils are all about the voltage.

    1. Re:VOLTS, not Watts.. Big difference... by mistermocha · · Score: 1

      Really? I thought they were all about the size of the... uh ... sparks?

    2. Re:VOLTS, not Watts.. Big difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It ain't the size of the sparks, it's the voltage in the coil ;)

    3. Re:VOLTS, not Watts.. Big difference... by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      Yea the article got that wrong, but you could look at it from another angle: Depending on the capacitor value and voltage, you can have upward or greater than a 1MW discharge in the tank circuit. The formula: Joules = 1/2 * Vc^2 * C (Vc is the capacitor voltage and C is capacitance in farads) dictates the amount of energy stored in the capacitor. If a capacitor holding 1000 joules of electrical energy is discharged in one millisecond you have a 1MW pulse. Tesla coils are pulsed resonant transformers. Its been a while but the current in the primary is quite high, possibly a few hundred amps for each discharge (depending on the tank circuit size.) The aim for a standard coil is for the capacitor to reach full charge for each peak of a 60Hz cycle (50Hz if that's your utility frequency). At that point you should have 120 clean discharges per second or 120 pulses per second. And the pulse length is short lived (micro seconds) and if caught with an oscilloscope looks like a dampened sine wave which is the resonant frequency of the tank circuit (the current bounces back and fourth between the capacitor and primary coil).

      I used to have tons of fun dabbling in high voltage, coiling, can crushing and coin shrinking. I still have my 150 pound (68kg) Maxwell 14.4uF 40kV pulse discharge capacitor (hot dogs can and will dissipate a few MW, just isn't much left to eat though). Back then I rolled my own Tesla capacitors using multiple layers of thick 8mil HDPE drop cloth and copper roof flashing (aluminum was cheaper but needed to be annealed to become easily workable). You roll the layers of HDPE and plates together and form a rolled capacitor which you insert into a 4" PVC pipe with end caps that have brass 1/4" bolts protruding to be used as terminals. You use a vacuum pump to pull a vacuum inside the cap and then let the vacuum suck in mineral oil to ensure you filled all of the air space. They were decent caps but were a pain to assemble and tend to leak if your terminals weren't oil tight. Also the HDPE drop cloth has tons of impurities, even bits of metal which eventually led to the failure of the insulation between the plates. I used open air caps for smaller coils and then moved on to MMC caps when it became the trend.

      Then I lost interest for some reason. I think it was the inherent danger that started to turn me off (I often worked alone - bad idea, wish I had more friends interested in engineering/physics/science). Just talking about this stuff brings back fond memories, I had an ex GF that absolutely loved my Tesla coil. I still have all my HV stuff stored away at work, maybe its time to break it out again :-)

  13. well by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why not play Tesla instead?

    1. Re:well by TimeElf1 · · Score: 1

      They can if you were to reformat it into 8 bit music score. Although the more complex the music the less likely the chance that it will work well.

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  14. I can think of a drawback by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    It's all good fun until you get that bill from your electric company... (Yes, I know it is very low current, hence not really that much power.)

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    1. Re:I can think of a drawback by Sly-Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      In this case I would not want to be the recipient of the electric bill. These are not your father's tesla coils. These are fairly low voltage very high current devices. The feed they got from the hotel at Penguicon a few years back was a 220V 50A and I remember them having an ammeter on the line to make sure they didn't exceed the rating and trip the circuit.

      They run high current at lower voltage to be able to use solid state switching devices to drive the coil. No rotary spark gap here just a bunch of IGBTs and other fun silicon the size of your fist.

    2. Re:I can think of a drawback by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The feed they got from the hotel at Penguicon a few years back was a 220V 50A and I remember them having an ammeter on the line to make sure they didn't exceed the rating and trip the circuit.
      So about the same as an electric shower, maybe a little higher.

      In other words expensive to run continuously but not too bad for occasional use.

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  15. Jerad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that you?

  16. Re: Dr. Zeus killed the LHC, doctor unharmed. by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

    More to the point perhaps http://www.dr-zeus.com/ : ).

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  17. Re:Epic ... by zerosomething · · Score: 1

    OOH I dunt know. I think both are quite fantastic.

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  18. This is cool. Sound quality and stereo?? by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1
    I was watching this and browsed to some other video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZEpP_zzaw&feature=related

    It looks as though there is a stereo setup there? Or is it more to do with the frequencies or something?

    Also , how do these sound in real life? Does the sound have a point source, or does it just envelope the listener becoming a whole part of the environment? What's the lowest/highest frequency they can produce? How Hifi are they?

    1. Re:This is cool. Sound quality and stereo?? by Sly-Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Two notes only. Each coil produces one note. At least that is how they were when I saw em a couple of years ago and the setup looks the same.

      Sound in real life. Loud. Really freaking loud. These are 7 foot tall units putting out sparks around 7-10 feet controlled. Sound is point source to the coil it is originating from, sorta. The sorta being pretty much the area of the spark itself, so the source is wider than one would think. Highest and lowest dunno, though it had a very good audible range. The sound was a bit harsh due to the nature of how it was being generated and the noise from the bolts themselves.

      All in all darned impressive. Very well done and they were very knowledgeable. I had the chance to sit down and chat with them for a little bit before they left and all I can say is "wow".

    2. Re:This is cool. Sound quality and stereo?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want big sparks you limit it to monophonic notes. But a single coil can do polyphonic notes, as demonstrated in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRqj374cc2o

  19. The bass response really sucks... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I could do without breathing in all that ozone...

    1. Re:The bass response really sucks... by mistermocha · · Score: 1

      What do you have against ozone?

    2. Re:The bass response really sucks... by WaXHeLL · · Score: 1

      Ozone is really bad for you -- it's an irritant and a powerful oxidizer. Imagine what that does to your lungs. OSHA has pretty tight standards on ozone exposure.

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    3. Re:The bass response really sucks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, whatever. You're just a gasist.

  20. What comes next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zelda played with atomic bombs?

    1. Re:What comes next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Super Mario Bros would sound better

    2. Re:What comes next? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Super Mario Bros would sound better

      I don't have a lot of atomic bombs so I'll probably just start with the 1812 overture....

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    3. Re:What comes next? by Sophira · · Score: 1

      Da da da, da da DA... *boom*!

  21. Plasma tweeters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the 60's some hi fi company built tweeters working on a somewhat similar principle, called 'plasma tweeters'.
    Rather than direct pulse width modulation of the coil at audio frequencies however, they use a 10Mhz or so carrier and pwm that. (A bit like a very high voltage class-d amp).

    These plasma or ionic tweeters actually sound really good, as there is no diaphragm mass and so the transient response is amazing.
    The only drawbacks are that they are complex, use a lot of power and make ozone while in operation. They were sold comercially with some success though.

    Some guy has built one here:
    http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/cwillis/tweeter.html

    1. Re:Plasma tweeters. by SteveAstro · · Score: 1

      There's a guy on instructables has done a sort-of little one with a flyback transformer.

      http://www.instructables.com/id/Build_A_Plasma_Speaker/

      Steve

  22. Sell Tickets by boris111 · · Score: 1

    If they could get Jack White on board this could make for an interesting concert.

  23. Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (I'm going to be a lameass and repost this that I wrote this seven years ago, when an "old busted TV" meant a CRT tube. For purposes of this discussion it still does)

    You can easily make a Tesla coil if you have an old busted TV to rip apart. In general, the older and bigger the TV is, the better. And color TVs are better than black and white. This won't be a *great* Tesla coil, but it will throw a spark a few inches long and you can do all the standard Tesla coil tricks with it (St. Elmo's fire, etc.) without investing too much time or money.

    Yank the flyback transformer out of the TV, and discard all its primary windings. Keep the big high voltage secondary winding (the one with the zillions of turns). It's usually encased in rubber and may look like a big rubber wheel. Its main lead has really thick insulation and connects to the side of the picture tube (where it looks like a stethoscope). The other lead (the ground) won't be as heavily insulated.

    The only other parts you need are two NPN power transistors (2N3055), two 5W power resistors (20 ohm and 200 ohm), some wire, and a good supply of DC current (12-24 V). The circuit is a piece of cake. The first time I did it, I put the whole thing together with alligator clips.

    This circuit has two primary windings around the flyback transformer core. The power winding is 8 turns, with a tap in the middle. The feedback winding is smaller (4 turns), also with a tap in the middle. The power winding leads connect to the collector leads on the transistors, with the center tap going to the +24 V DC power source. The feedback winding leads connect to the gate leads, with the center tap there going to +2-3 V DC (connect the resistors in series across the DC power to get the lower voltage in between). The emitter leads are grounded.

    As current flows through one transistor, the changing field in the core induces a voltage in the feedback windings that turns that transistor off and the other one on. Then current flows the other way, and the same thing happens in reverse. So the circuit tunes itself to the proper frequency. But it also means that the first time you power it up you run a 50-50 chance of connecting the leads to the wrong transistor gates, in which case you get a stable DC circuit. So if it doesn't work the first time, try exchanging the gate leads.

    This circuit is fairly well known, and doing a Google search for "flyback" and "Tesla" I found a schematic [aaroncake.net] for it right away. The guy mentions on that page that the transistors get really hot and he is not kidding- they do. Don't leave it running for more than a minute without a heat sink. The RF noise generated by Tesla coils is incredible, so expect to generate some interference. They make lots of smelly ozone. And if you let a spark go through paper, you can start a fire so be careful.

    If you're lucky you can get 20-30 kV, which throws a purple spark a couple inches. (I only got about 4 kV out of mine- the spark was about a half inch long.) Pick up a neon bulb when you're at Radio Shack- these light up if they're around. If you touch one terminal of a fluorescent to ground then half of it will glow brightly between that end and the place you are holding it. The effect on a candle flame is interesting. Don't stick your bare finger near it because the spark does hurt if it hits unprotected skin. But if you hold a metal object and use that to touch it, you don't feel a thing (it's high frequency AC). Cool tricks include having sparks jump from the coil to a metal object in your hand, having sparks jump from a metal object in your other hand to ground (even a lousy ground), and having fluorescent tubes glow softly if you hold them in your other hand.

    1. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      I left out the page I referenced with a schematic. (The page is still there.) Everything to the right of his "C1" capacitor is what I'm describing; the stuff to the left is just for making a DC wall adapter to power it.

    2. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't speak to the rest of this - though it sounds quite dangerous - but DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH A CRT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING

      There's banks of capacitors in there that, if charged up, will kill you in an instant, if you're unlucky or stupid enough to bridge one. They hold about 30kV. If you want to try this, make sure you leave the TV unplugged for a few days, to drain the caps - or properly discharge it. In theory, you can ground the anode - but I'm not qualified to ensure that's safe. I can't speak for the rest of it, but it sounds fairly dangerous as well.

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    3. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's OK mom, I'll be careful.

    4. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by Alarindris · · Score: 1

      Shorting the caps with a screwdriver is sufficient. CRT's are only dangerous if you don't know what a fucking cap does.

    5. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Shorting the caps with a screwdriver is sufficient. CRT's are only dangerous if you don't know what a fucking cap does.

      You say that like there can't be voltage built up or leaking through other parts. And there are PLENTY of people out there who don't know what a capacitor does (or even if they do, they might not be able to identify them all). Even then, there was a distant relative of mine who was a TV repairman and still managed to shock himself badly enough to melt his wedding ring once by accident.

      Like GP said, make sure you know what you're doing and leave the TV unplugged for several days to let it drain.

    6. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically, don't fuck around with a CRT unless you know what you (and capacitors) are doing.

      Woo, very insightful. I wonder if knowledge of those two are correlated.

    7. Re:Tesla Coil recipe using an old CRT by __aatdha9242 · · Score: 1
      Actually, most high voltage power supplies now contain bleeder resistors, which are large value (many megaohm) resistors connected in parallel across all high voltage capacitors, slowly discharging them when the power is disconnected at a rate unlikely to affect normal operation, hence discharging them to a safe level within a few hours.

      The rest of it really isn't that dangerous either, as the high voltage output is AC at a high frequency, and hence because of the skin effect only flows over the surface of the skin and does not penetrate to a depth where it may affect the heart or other sensitive organs, which is why the GP describes the high voltage produced as "painless".

  24. Two words by MadDog+Bob-2 · · Score: 1
  25. Add 4hv.org to the hobbyist site list. by Shawn888 · · Score: 1

    In addition to thegeekgroup.org and pupman, there is also 4hv.org. If interested, 4hv runs an IRC chatroom on the shadowworld network called #hvcomm

  26. Re:Epic ... by Doctor+Morbius · · Score: 1

    It's not a tuba it's a Sousaphone.

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  27. am I the only one that looked at the date? by elvesrus · · Score: 0

    that zelda one was uploaded on June 14, 2009...

    you're getting slow in your old age taco!

  28. Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  29. Re:Epic ... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    That would be awesome without the crowd noise. As is, meh.

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  30. dance clubs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if they had these at techno/dance clubs... They would have to be louder (and caged for safety), but damn thats awesome.

  31. Re:Epic ... by Nuuk · · Score: 0

    Flaming tuba can compete only because they linked a boring performance in the summary. Go watch their tesla coil version of the Imperial March. A perfect fit between instrument and song. :)

  32. Just thought I'd point out... by hallux.sinister · · Score: 1

    Original poster and taggers missed the obligatory Disaster Area reference.