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Federal Appeals Court Tosses Spam Patent

Zordak writes "US patent 6,631,400 claims a method of making sure enough people get your spam. A federal district court had overturned the patent as anticipated and obvious, and not drawn to patentable subject matter. The Federal Circuit, the appeals court which hears patent matters, upheld the finding of obviousness, thus invalidating the patent."

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  1. Missed opportunity by Kelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...to assign the patent to an anti-spam organization, then watch as they sue spammers into oblivion for patent infringement!

  2. Re:Shame by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Spam is already illegal. Hooray, no more spam!~

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  3. Not thinking clearly by Brain-Fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The primary purpose of patents is to *STOP* the competition from doing whatever it is you are patenting (yes, I know this isn't the stated purpose, but it is the purpose-in-effect). The secondary purpose is to collect money from people who do what you patented, so you can make money without doing it yourself.

    In both cases, once you patent something, there is a net loss in the number of people doing it. We have observed this time and time again in the industry.

    So why in the world would you REJECT a spam patent? By all means, GRANT THE PATENT! Let the spammers sue each other into oblivion and reduce the total amount of spam generated.

    Sheesh.
       

    1. Re:Not thinking clearly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So why in the world would you REJECT a spam patent? By all means, GRANT THE PATENT! Let the spammers sue each other into oblivion and reduce the total amount of spam generated.

      Have you noticed that most spammers operate outside law? They won't "sue each other". That patent means exactly nothing to them either way.

    2. Re:Not thinking clearly by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a nice idea, but the legal theory there seems kinda... situational. Equal protection under the law, anybody?

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    3. Re:Not thinking clearly by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry to do this, but:

      Your post advocates a

      ( ) technical (X) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

      ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
      ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
      (X) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
      ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
      ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
      ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
      ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
      ( ) The police will not put up with it
      (X) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
      ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
      ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
      ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
      (X) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

      Specifically, your plan fails to account for

      ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
      (X) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
      (X) Open relays in foreign countries
      ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
      (X) Asshats
      (X) Jurisdictional problems
      ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
      ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
      ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
      ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
      ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
      (X) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
      ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
      (X) Extreme profitability of spam
      ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
      ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
      (X) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
      (X) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
      ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
      ( ) Outlook

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      (X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
      been shown practical
      ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
      ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
      ( ) Blacklists suck
      ( ) Whitelists suck
      ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
      ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
      ( ) Sending email should be free
      ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
      ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
      (X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
      ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
      ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
      (X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      (X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
      house down!

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  4. Re:Almost. by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Funny

    If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?

    Clearly your example disproves the existence of the soul.

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  5. Re:So basically... by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, I've got prior art on that.

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  6. Re:So basically... by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think you'd serve the world better by releasing that idea into the public domain immediately.

  7. Re:Almost. by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you're saying you're using hotmail?

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  8. Re:So basically... by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    pics or it didn't happen

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  9. Re:Error in Summary by Zordak · · Score: 3, Informative

    A little wounded pride here. How is that an error in the summary? The district court invalidated on three grounds. The Fed. Cir. upheld the obviousness finding. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I said.

    Cut from my summary is a link to Patently-O which has some pretty good analysis.

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  10. Re:Error in Summary by Grond · · Score: 2

    Wow, yeah, you're right. My apologies. I read the summary as 'A federal court overturned the patent as anticipated and obvious, and not drawn to patentable subject matter' and presumed that referred to the Federal Circuit. Someone should go ahead and mod my first post down to avoid confusion.

  11. Re:Stop with the patent hating by tekrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry to burst your bubble; but the industry has shown us time and again that they will change the law to suit their purposes. You really think that in a decade, these software patents will become public domain? Ha, that has just as much a chance as Mickey Mouse becoming public domain (yeah, I know, copyright versus patent, but in the end we are discussing the same thing which is intellectual property).

    Trust me, there are lobbys in D.C. right now fighting to extend patents, and then extend them again, probably into perpetuity. Once a company sees a revenue stream from patents, you think they are going to give that up just because it's the law? You must be high. From a long-term standpoint it's more profitable to spend millions to change the law.

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