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What Do You Do When Printers Cost Less Than Ink?

An anonymous reader writes "A family member recently asked me to pick up more ink for her Epson Photo RX 595. Unfortunately, replacing the black and color ink cartridges costs $81.92 + tax at the local store! That's so bad that I got a replacement printer that's just as good, and spare ink, for less. But now I have a useless piece of e-waste that I can't even give away. What can you do with a printer like that? I hate to just throw it away."

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  1. Prevent. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best course of action for this sort of thing is prevention. Keep consumables prices in mind when buying hardware in the first place, get a decent laser printer if you can, and give 3rd party consumables a try.

    If you do end up stuck with a printer, or printers, you might want to see if you are, or if you know, any electronics/robotics hobbyists. Even cheap and ghastly printers contain a reasonable supply of motors(some conventional DC, some steppers) and gears and optointerrupters and other fun little gizmos. The larger and more sophisticated printers can contain pretty impressive quantities of such.

    Failing that, you probably just want to find a recycler.

    1. Re:Prevent. by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, and spend $20 for the postage there...

      Ah, but therein lies the beauty.

      All the major printer manufacturers have recycling programs. Usually these only apply to ink and toner, but you decide exactly what you put in the box.

      HP toner, for example, comes with a prepaid UPS shipping label. Of course, they want you to use that to send them back their toner (and even prefer you to send them back in bulk, thus saving on the total shipping cost for them).

      So when you next replace your toner or ink, you take the mailing label, put it on a box big enough for the toner plus the printer, and send it on its way.


      As for whether or not this counts as abusive of their recycling program - First, they shouldn't make crap printers that cost less than replacement supplies, period. And second, don't think they do this out of the kindness of their hearts and a concern for the environment - They do so solely to keep you (or a third party) from refilling their supplies and getting more than your "fair" share of use out of them.

      Oh... And you might not want to give a return address if you do this. I doubt it breaks any laws, but better safe than sorry.

  2. not a bargain by Speare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The new printer you bought came with "demo" ink cartridges that are nearly empty, compared with full ones. You didn't get a bargain.

    Personally, while I understand the business doctrine of "whatever the market will bear," I think it's time that Congress look into market collusion and racketeering. There's no way that a pigment can cost thousands of dollars per liter.

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    1. Re:not a bargain by captaindomon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Prices aren't based on cost. No prices from major corporations are based on cost. They're based on Willingness to Pay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willingness_to_pay . This is a very basic economics/business concept.

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  3. Re:Donate by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what good is a printer with no ink, which will require expensive ink cartridges, be to the Salvation Army? Or to put it another way, what makes you think they will have any more use for it than the poster has?

    This is like the folks that will give the Salvation Army their old 486 and think they are doing the Salvation Army a favor, when in truth all you are doing is making the Salvation Army pay for disposal.

  4. Re:buy compatible cartridges by _merlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's because you're buying cheap loss-leader printers. My $1,000 colour laser printer came with full-capacity toner cartridges. The best thing that could happen would be for people to break the cycle and refuse to buy these crappy printers and their expensive ink. But that'll never happen - people find low initial outlay very attractive.

  5. Re:ctrl+p by Garridan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't be dumb! Looks like you can get a pair of complete refill sets for $33 to me...

  6. Re:buy compatible cartridges by uglyduckling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suppose it's possible that there are other factors that affect the price of a printer than print speed. But I may be wrong.

  7. Re:Donate by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, but a lot of all-in-one inkjet printers (such as Epson) won't scan unless there's ink in the ink cartridges. So if you give someone one of these printers without ink, it's absolutely useless.

  8. Re:feeBay is the answer by Hadlock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As for the actual printer, I've learned to buy LASER printers. They have a high initial cost but low-priced ink (~$50 for 5000 pages). The laser printer ends-up being cheaper after you pass 800 pages

    Yep. Laser printer for 99.9% of my printing needs, color is either online photo printing (whats the going rate these days, $0.09/3x5"?), or if you need it TODAY I go through wally world for about $0.24/3x5". I don't know anyone who prints enough color photos at home to justify the cost of owning a photo quality printer at home. Unless your home color printer is a dye impregnation printer, that hp-uberjet ink is going to fade in 5-10 years anyhow.

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  9. Re:Donate by Xiterion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wait, what?! I think the printer companies are as evil as the next /.er, but that's a whole new kind of evil. That's almost cell-phone company evil, come to think of it. Have you personally run into this kind of behavior?

  10. Re:... on THEIR dime ... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That seems to indicate that you can't use the business reply envelopes as labels on heavy objects and such. If I'm understanding this correctly though, you could theoretically smash up the printer first, then place it inside several of these envelopes. Pack them up nice and heavy so they cost more too.

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  11. Don't buy inkjets period by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WTF. People still buying inkjets and bitching about it? Is lexmark STILL in business?

    It's simple. Don't buy inkjets. Buy a laser that has decent sized laser cartridges. B/W if you print lots of text. Color tends to have small cartridges out of space considerations.

    Besides the cost, with inkjets, you have clean the head constantly and if you don't use in a while (say you have a several week vacation or other trip), worry about the printer head drying out. Headaches and a fucking waste of time, imo.

    And for photos, dye-subs. Even if they don't beat inkjets on dpi, my 300dpi dyesub beats any 1200x1200 in actual results. You JUST DON'T see the millions of dots with dyesub, it's all blended together, and because there is a clear coat, no smearing of the images, even if you lick your fingers and go across the picture right after it was printed. It looks as good or better than from professional print shop.

    I don't even know why this argument is still going on after all these years. Inkjet was and always will be a half-assed home solution when the good solutions have matured and become considerably cheap. In the space of 5 years, I threw out just as many inkjets in the early 2000s with lots of printing problems aggravation. In the same space of time, I have had just 2 lasers and 1 dyesub, all still working (1 for b/w, other a color copier) and I probably printed out 10x the material with them because it was just easier.

  12. Modern inkjets are fine by snowwrestler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A mid-range or high-end recent inkjet will produce very high quality photo prints. Many professional photographers use inkjets to produce their fine art prints for sale. The best inkjets have a color saturation and sharpness that is superior to dye sub, with droplet size small enough that it takes a strong loupe to distinguish. Most people have trouble with inkjets because they buy cheap inkjets.

    That said, the biggest argument against them is the frequency of use. You do have to use an inkjet to keep it in fine printing condition.

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