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Google Upgrades Chrome To Beta For OS X, Linux

wkurzius writes with this nugget from Mac Rumors: "As anticipated, Google has finally released an official beta version of its Chrome browser for Mac. The initial beta version, termed Build 4.0.249.30, requires Mac OS X Leopard or Snow Leopard, and is only compatible with Intel-based Macs." And hierofalcon writes with word that Chrome has also been made available as an official Linux Beta.

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  1. Re:Adblock by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Informative

    Support for extensions is currently in development ...

  2. Works Great on Leopard by organgtool · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have been running one of the Chrome nightly builds on Leopard for several weeks and I am extremely impressed with its speed and stability. I have never had a single tab crash on me. I'm sure that people will complain about the lack of support for extensions compared to Firefox, and rightly so. But if you don't need many extensions, I highly recommend trying out Chrome.

    1. Re:Works Great on Leopard by Trev311 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have been running one of the Chrome nightly builds on Leopard for several weeks and I am extremely impressed with its speed and stability. I have never had a single tab crash on me. I'm sure that people will complain about the lack of support for extensions compared to Firefox, and rightly so. But if you don't need many extensions, I highly recommend trying out Chrome.

      Or if you want to not give google more information you can wait until SRWare* or someone else releases it without all the tracking (and google updater) crap in it for Liunx/OSX. SRWare releases Chrome without the google-bits in it as Iron

    2. Re:Works Great on Leopard by FictionPimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I use google calendar, google search, google mail, google voice, google maps... If google doesn't know what I'm doing by now, they are doing something wrong.

  3. Won't Switch From Safari Yet by friedmud · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In my limited testing with it this morning... I think it is very promising... but I won't quite be switching from Safari on Snow Leopard just yet.

    My main gripe? Scrolling smoothness. It's a small thing... but the jarring scrolling of Chrome is enough to keep me on Safari.

    Other than that I really like the tab tear off system (much better than Safari since you can _reattach_ tabs back into the main window) and the integrated search / location bar (which seems to be able to read my mind...).

    Other than that they are very similar... can anyone spot big differences somewhere? I mean, these days, most browsers are the same. I used to use Firefox for the plugins... but now Firefox, Safari and Chrome all pretty much include the stuff I was using plugins for... so I go with Safari for how well integrated it is with OS X.

    I am glad Google is building a good browser... it will keep everyone on their toes (especially since Microsoft has pretty much bowed out of the next-gen browser market with their unwillingness to implement standards in a timely fashion).

  4. Re:Adblock by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... and per-tab processes for Firefox are also currently in development.

    I don’t think I’ll be switching any time soon, since I see per-tab processes as a nicety and adblock as a necessity.

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  5. Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by courcoul · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beware that the first time you run Chrome, it will install their Keystone auto-update facility, with which Google feels free to update whatever they want, whenever they want and however they want. Even when you're not running the browser, as the Keystone agent will launch itself automatically at system boot.

    You have been warned.

    1. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Informative

      He didn't say it ran constantly, just that it did not depend on the browser running. Check your cron tables*.

      * I'm not running Chrome so I can neither confirm or deny the GPP but AC's post above is certainly not enough
      to convince me that GPP is definitely wrong.

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    2. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by psocccer · · Score: 5, Informative

      The OP might not be completely wrong, according to a dpkg-query -L google-chrome-beta it installs some stuff to /etc/cron.daily/google-chrome which apparently adds an extra source to your apt sources then updates google chrome based on some settings in your /etc/default/google-chrome. It also adds the source to /etc/apt/sources.list.d. Seems a bit invasive to me.

    3. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by the_crowbar · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just installed the beta from google.com and it installed an entry in /etc/crond.daily. The comments say it only reactivates the repository after dist-upgrades disable it. I.E. intrepid->jaunty From a quick read of the script that is what it does.

      Cheers,
      the_crowbar

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    4. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by Xtifr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Adding its favored repository to your package sources is still several stops short of auto-updating. A bit invasive, perhaps, but hardly what the fear-mongering suggested. I wonder what happens if you run dpkg-reconfigure on the package? If the cron job is only installed automatically when you use default priority (and running dpkg-reconfigure manually automatically switches to low), then I might even have to concede that they did it right.

      If I happen to get bored enough to actually try it rather than just reading about it, I might test this, but don't hold your breath. I'm not really in the market for a new closed-source browser. :)

    5. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by Temporal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You make it sound evil. Most people don't want to be nagged with constant update reminders. In fact, most people will ignore those reminders, leaving them vulnerable to security exploits. Hence, Google has built an updater which can automatically install updates in the background. Remarkably, it manages to do this without ever asking you to reboot or even to restart the program being updated, which cannot be said of any other software updater I've ever seen.

    6. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The complaint is that it is a separate updater process, it runs itself at boot time, and it is difficult to prevent it from doing so.

      Firefox, by comparison, updates itself when it starts up, and periodically checks for updates while you are online.

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    7. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and I also discovered a file at /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.google.keystone.daemon.plist, which runs "/Library/Google/GoogleSoftwareUpdate/GoogleSoftwareUpdate.bundle/Contents/MacOS/GoogleSoftwareUpdateDaemon" and can be disabled in the same manner described above.

      (BTW-- I have a few google apps including Google Earth installed, so I'm not sure which installed what. But this is what I've found so far...)

      I just installed Chrome on my MacBook Air, which doesn't have Google Earth installed... and I don't have that file on my system.

      I've poked around all the various and sundry locations used by cron, anacron, and launchd - nothing. So I'm guessing Google Earth was the culprit in your case - the Chrome drag-and-drop install looks clean.

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    8. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by dan325 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am personally not deeply troubled by this behavior. I like having the latest version of Chrome running on my machine. That being said, they really should let users opt out (or, better yet, make it an opt-in on first launch) of automatic updates. And, to my knowledge the keystone auto updating is the behavior on Mac and Windows. In Linux, it just uses apt. I don't have any issue with the Linux behavior, except that they might add a dialog informing the user that they're modifying /etc/apt/sources.list during the install. You have to remember that there are two sides to this coin: with auto updates turned on, you are vulnerable to any bugs that may be introduced by an update and to any nefarious / evil conduct from Google as darkly insinuated by the above poster. Conversely, without auto updates, you are vulnerable to any security issues that the updates fix. Frankly, the later concerns me a lot more than the former, and I suspect most of the non-tin-foil-hat-wearing community would concur.

    9. Re:Beware Google's penchant for auto-updates... by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have nothing against an app offering to add itself to the list, but it should ask first. Maybe I trust debian to patch an app more than I trust the guys writing the app?

  6. Re:Adblock by nate_in_ME · · Score: 2, Informative

    On my computer, Chrome just auto-updated today to 4.0.239.30(Windows Version) and in the "new tab" display, it advertises at the bottom that extensions are now available. No reliable ad-blocking solution yet(just a couple with dodgy reviews), but I imagine its only a matter of time. There was one specifically to remove the ads on Facebook profiles, which does seem to work quite well so far.

  7. Iron. by nawitus · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you don't want to be spied by google every second, download the Iron browser. It's based on Chrome code base, but has spying disabled.

  8. Google rocks, but their apps suck by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The main big issue, is how the company doesn't have an official policy towards local app development.

    When it comes to Google's web apps, you can expect AJAX, DHTML, clean and simple look, etc. OTOH, they local apps all look developed by different companies. They are developing apps in .net (which doesn't make any sense considering where google is standing right now, specially towards microsoft). Their so called "ports" are pathetic. All they do is recompile their apps with the WINE libs. Picasa is an example. And they didn't even test it before releasing, or at least disable the functions that don't work in wine. For example, on Picasa for GNU/Linux, when you click on "make movie" it throws the error "function not available on Windows 2000". They didn't even bother to disable it. If I wanted to run Picasa on Wine, I would just do so. If you provide a port, provide an actual port.

    What really doesn't make sense to me is ... why write applications in non-portable languages/frameworks, and then port them? Why not just go GTK or QT and port it everywhere?

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  9. Re:Adblock by mdm-adph · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because SRWare only releases updates to Iron every now and then. I don't think there's even an auto-update.

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  10. Re:Adblock by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or just don't go to sites that have advertisements you don't want to see. That seems a bit more fair than using resources of a site you clearly want to visit while denying them income...

  11. Re:Adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not to mention Google's latest comments about people that don't do anything have nothing to hide.

    Link:
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/08/0127219/Google-CEO-Says-Privacy-Worries-Are-For-Wrongdoers

  12. Re:Adblock by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Software should update itself when it runs. It should not rely on a separate boot-time updater.

    The only software that should update itself by a boot-time updater is the OS itself.

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  13. Re:Adblock by Nerdfest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not a big fan of their comments either, but I do think that their opinions on privacy and their actions on them are two different things. In my view they haven't crossed into the evil camp, and still have a better record with peoples' privacy than most companies. As always, we should keep an eye on them ...

  14. Chrome on Linux is not in wine by caseih · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wine? What does wine have to do with it? Chrome for linux is a GTK-based (for better or worse) native linux app.

  15. Re:Adblock by mdm-adph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey -- I use SRWare Iron, too. However, I've also got Chrome installed -- I like the auto-updating. Give me that in Iron, and I'll uninstall Chrome. I'll even get my relatives to use it!

    As is, however, I can't in any confidence give them Iron -- if so, the next time I happen to check their computers, a year from now, they'll still be running the same version, even though many updates and security fixes might have been released by SRWare since then.

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  16. Re:Adblock by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then as soon as you see those flash adverts, leave the site, and don't come back. If everyone with AdBlock did that, then the flash adverts would go away, as alternate non-annoying revenue streams are found. You are perpetuating the situation, and rather selfishly at that.

  17. Any master password support yet? by Des+Herriott · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This one's a show-stopper for me (and, I suspect, others). Chrome offers to save your passwords but gives absolutely no protection on the saved password database. The discussion threads I've seen about this suggest that the Chrome devs don't even understand why this is such a serious problem. Chrome has a lot to like, but I'll be sticking to Firefox for now.