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Mozilla Exec Urges Switch From Google To Bing

Andorin writes "Asa Dotzler, Mozilla's director of community development, has published a brief blog post in which he recommends that Firefox users move from using Google as their main search engine to Bing, citing privacy issues. Disregarding the existence of alternative search engines such as Ask and Yahoo, Dotzler asserts that Bing's privacy policy is better than Google's. Dotzler explains the recommendation with a quote from Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google: 'If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines — including Google — do retain this information for some time...' Ars Technica also covers the story."

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  1. Re:Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I actually applaud Firefox for this change.

    What change? They didn't change anything.

    Marketing companies shouldn't just fuck everyone in the ass for their own gain.

    You know Microsoft's privacy policy isn't all that better. They still associate your search with your name and ip address for 18 months after you searched. 'Fuck everyone in the ass for their own gain' is a bit of a hyperbole, wouldn't you say?

  2. Clusty by LeepII · · Score: 3, Informative

    Clusty is by far the best search engine. I don't understand why more people are not using it.

    1. Re:Clusty by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, for one thing, searching for mozilla recommends bing doesn't return any hits relevant to this story. Unlike Google. And Bing.

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      If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
  3. Re:Better response would have been... by Malc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google has been pissing me off recently with their toolbar updates that change the behaviour of the browser. If I wanted the new window/tab functionality of Firefox to behave like Safari, I'd be using Safari. Why do I want the sidewiki thing, or whatever it's called? Etc, etc. Piss off: I got the google toolbar as better way of searching for things, along with find in page option when I have the results. So it gets uninstalled.

  4. How about Cuil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It surprises me that when there are discussions about search engine privacy, Cuil never seems to be mentioned. Or at least I do not see it.

    On Cuil's privacy page it says:
    "When you search with Cuil, we do not keep any personally identifiable information, period. Your search history is your business."

    So is there some reason Cuil is not brought up more? Maybe there are resons not to use it that I do not know about. Or perhaps it is just not well known.

  5. Re:Make privacy easy by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you and the stranger agree to a type of encryption with public/private keys and any of that best practice stuff; *that* information still has to be communicated. If you first mail your 'encryption key' to your stranger; then mail the encrypted message - now it just means you'd need for your information to be peeked at twice.
    If your web-browser is smart enough to be able to decrypt information from a webserver - why wouldn't some hacker's program be able to? Provided they were snooping the negotiation phase between your pc and the server? Magic?

    Don't you understand the concept of asymmetric encryption? I don't have to send my key via a secure channel. I can post my public key in this post for anyone to see.

    Anyone who wants to send me a message, will encrypt it with my publicly available key and it will only be possible to decrypt it using my private key. That's the "magic" my web-browser/email software/etc has that the hacker's programs don't have.

  6. Re:Google by marcansoft · · Score: 3, Informative

    I find that Bing falls for marketing scams and SEO much worse than Firefox. Random download sites and outright scams show up in Bing first with lots of searches, while Google is much more successful at ignoring marketingese and just giving you the site you want.

    For example, searching for Wii homebrew gives:
    Google:

    1. Homebrew Channel page on Wiibrew (very relevant starting place)
      • Main Page of Wiibrew (probably THE best result)
    2. Wii homebrew on Wikipedia (actually a pretty bad page, but understandably high result)
      • Homebrew Channel page on Wikipedia (decent)
    3. Some random broken site that probably sucks, but has a good domain name
    4. The Homebrew Channel's homepage

    Bing:

    1. Some random German wii homebrew site (not "official" in any way), but with a good domain
    2. Wikipedia entry
    3. Another random German homebrew site
    4. A random Spanish homebrew site
    5. An affiliate of a huge (and successful) scam getting people to pay for homebrew and warez tools
    6. Another affiliate of the scam
    7. Another affiliate

    So basically, people looking for Wii homebrew and using Bing are at a much higher chance of getting scammed. Seriously, Wiibrew isn't even in the first page of results.

    Going the other way, searching for the name of the scam (homebreware) yields (antiscam = site that explains that homebreware is a scam):
    Google: antiscam, antiscam, antiscam, scam, scam, antiscam, scam, ...
    Bing: scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam...

    Someone using Bing and doublechecking on what they're about to buy isn't going to remotely realize they're being scammed.

  7. Re:Privacy fears by timeOday · · Score: 5, Informative

    You speak as if searching anonymously were a simple matter of not logging in. The fact is, you have no real way of knowing where any given search engine may be following you. Between cookies, redirect links, ip address tracking through ads or other inline links on 3rd party sites, search content analysis (as with the "anonymized" searches leaked by AOL a few years back)... there is a real question whether anonymous web use is possible at all, a question which nobody can answer definitively since new analysis techniques are discovered all the time.