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Facebook Founder's Pictures Go Public

jamie passes along a Newsfactor piece that begins "In a not-uncommon development for the social-networking leader, Facebook's recently released privacy controls are leaving the company a bit red-faced. As a result of a new policy that by default makes users' profiles, photos, and friends lists available on the Web, almost 300 personal photos of founder Mark Zuckerberg became publicly available, a development that had gossip sites like Gawker yukking it up."

219 comments

  1. Karma. by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a b****.

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    1. Re:Karma. by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would have been if he'd had any pictures that happened to be embarrassing. Instead the most personal thing on there is probably that he's going to visit a facebook company party soon. Woohoo. I was hoping for pictures of Mark drunk with writing or Mark doing a keg stand or something. With the stuff up there that he has, he may very well have left it public on purpose.

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    2. Re:Karma. by vlm · · Score: 1

      I was hoping for pictures of Mark drunk with writing or Mark doing a keg stand or something.

      There's always photoshop.

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    3. Re:Karma. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      You know, they could turn this into awesome PR. "The founder of Facebook agrees with our new privacy controls, and really doesn't mind, so the new controls must be awesome!"

    4. Re:Karma. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My guess is it's fake.

      They either had the choice of (A) cleaning up his profile and "accidentily" making it public or (B) setting his profile private by default thereby admitting it's a bad idea to make profiles public by default.

      Obviously there's choice (C) of making profiles private by default, but the marketing people probably didn't like people having privacy.

      The lesson is simple; never trust any company to keep your stuff private.

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    5. Re:Karma. by antek9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That should be all the rage on Fark over the next days.

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    6. Re:Karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when he is at the party, rampage his house!

    7. Re:Karma. by awehttam · · Score: 4, Informative
      Which is apparently what he did.

      http://www.facebook.com/markzuckerberg

      Mark Zuckerberg For those wondering, I set most of my content on my personal Facebook page to be open so people could see it. I set some of my content to be more private, but I didn't see a need to limit visibility of pics with my friends, family or my teddy bear :)

    8. Re:Karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bitch.

      FTFY. Prude.

    9. Re:Karma. by tonycheese · · Score: 1

      At least, that's what he posted after the fact... it's not like he can say "oh, man that was a total accident, this new privacy setting sux0rz". He can say all he wants but I highly doubt he meant to share 300 pictures of his friends and family to the public.

      Also, I don't know about anybody else, but as of right now Mark has a total of 31 pictures I can access, including only one profile picture. This would suggest that some 270+ pictures were hidden recently.

    10. Re:Karma. by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. Number of people dumb enough to believe what he said rather than what he did: one, apparently.

      I'm trying to figure out why he'd post such a ludicrous and trivially disprovable assertion. Either he's trying to own another news cycle, he really is that dumb, or he thinks that his customers really are that dumb.

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    11. Re:Karma. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I guess he has the same mentality as someone who felt the need to link to the same post twice within 3 sentences

    12. Re:Karma. by u38cg · · Score: 1

      That's his fan page, not his personal profile page. His own username is zuck, IIRC.

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    13. Re:Karma. by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Repetition for emphasis? How's that like what he did?

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    14. Re:Karma. by hyartep · · Score: 2, Informative

      just as I've thought:
      1) It was intentional.
      2) It is his "public" profile.

    15. Re:Karma. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put on your Coolface, Zuck: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollface-coolface-problem

    16. Re:Karma. by awehttam · · Score: 1

      just as I've thought: 1) It was intentional. 2) It is his "public" profile.

      "zuck"'s wall (supposedly his non public profile page) is open stating the same thing (at least it was last night when I posted).

      Yet it wasn't open after el Reg posted an article about this.

      Regardless of facebook's shiny new "privacy tools", platform problems that cause privacy settings not to apply to some "friends" will breach a persons privacy anyway. Be it friend lists not applying correctly or wall updates tagged with the wrong fbuid, facebook seems like a platform just waiting to leak.

    17. Re:Karma. by awehttam · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup, I believe it's zuck as well. Same statement, different walls.

  2. I'll never use Facebook by vawarayer · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am really worried about the fact that Facebook has access to data such as people's real name (that's the point of it, right?), IP addresses, friends' lists, and other info. It worries me enough on a personnal level, so I'll never register, but what worries me more is on the macro level. Even if such company did not want to 'do evil' with this tremendous amount of info, I feel that the power they posess is ultimately too big to be own by a for-profit company.

    1. Re:I'll never use Facebook by bkpark · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am really worried about the fact that Facebook has access to data such as people's real name (that's the point of it, right?)

      Um, no it doesn't. It has no real name verification mechanism, so if you are like me and you go by a nickname among your friends, you can register using a nickname. I think at some point they changed it so that you couldn't change the name easily once you register ('didn't used to be that way in its first year), but if you start out with a pseudonym, they don't stop you.

      As for other infos, well, use TOR and litter your profile (and friend list) with a lot of false information so that they cannot separate the truth from lie.

      Or, as you said, don't use Facebook.

    2. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So they know your name, and some of your friends names. And about 100 people who you said hi to once, who decided to add you as a friend. They know your IP, if they log it.
      Okay. What else? You don't have to give them any other information. At all.

    3. Re:I'll never use Facebook by ndunnuck · · Score: 0

      Why do people think it matters if a company is for-profit? Everybody's "for-profit", including all the full-time employees at every "non-profit" organization and every single politician wrangling to get their hands on a piece of your tax dollars, so they can control where it goes. It's not too big for a "for-profit" company. It's too big for anyone.

    4. Re:I'll never use Facebook by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Facebook is the government database the government never had but wishes they did.

    5. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have had several pseudonym accounts deleted because they weren't associated with what facebook considers a "real name"

    6. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      True that. Imagine knowing my personal friend network, something that is unattainable to discover without Facebook, and most importantly, that I enjoy Buffy and is looking forward to Guild Wars 2, and make subtle sex jokes in my log when I'm sexually frustrated from having a distance relationship. This is like a new golden age of useful information.

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    7. Re:I'll never use Facebook by prod-you · · Score: 1

      I guess now we all know the most important things about you.

    8. Re:I'll never use Facebook by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      I have a ton of fake information in my profile. I make a point every year of celebrating my "fake Internet birthday".
      You can still change your name anytime you want. I gave myself the middle name "Hussein" last year for a while. And a number of my friends have changed their names upon getting married.

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    9. Re:I'll never use Facebook by izomiac · · Score: 1

      Using fake info has a limit. It's fine so long as you remember why you're using Facebook in the first place. It's stupid if you (unintentionally) mislead your friends or keep them from finding you. In the latter case, that's a very round-a-bout way to not use Facebook.

      As for verification, I originally registered under a pseudonym with no problems. Realizing how pointless that was I tried to change my name to my real one. Apparently, it wasn't real enough for Facebook though, so they rejected my name change. This is especially amusing since I used my college e-mail address that had a good portion of my real name in it...

      I'm nowhere near as paranoid as I once was, but I try to keep my Facebook account usable for my friends while near useless for anyone else. I keep it professional enough that I wouldn't mind future employers looking at it, and keep only the most subtle references to the rest of my online identity (similarly, my username is rarely associated with my real name). I figure it's a good "stopping point" if someone tries to investigate me online. If it didn't exist then I'd suspect that might encourage someone to dig a little deeper.

      Not having a Facebook profile also has some privacy concerns. Someone can tag you in an image even if you aren't on Facebook. The only differences are that it's obviously not linked to your profile, and you cannot untag yourself from it.

    10. Re:I'll never use Facebook by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a profile for an inflatable sex pig, with a name clearly implying it's a sex pig, and a photo of the pig for the profile pic. They aren't completely on the ball. I also have a profile for a character from a very popular book series, and the profile pic is a still from one of the film adaptations, and both of these profiles have existed for over two years.

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    11. Re:I'll never use Facebook by bkpark · · Score: 1

      I'm nowhere near as paranoid as I once was, but I try to keep my Facebook account usable for my friends while near useless for anyone else.

      Same here. Contact information is true enough, as in email sent to the email address listed in my Facebook profile will reach me. Other information are mostly lies and jokes, but my friends should know (and I tell them in person) which ones are lies and which ones aren't.

      I should make my profile a little more professionally acceptable, though, in case a future employer finds the profile and somehow links it to me ...

    12. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Random+Destruction · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed, I'm friends with a stuffed animal, inanimate carbon rod, a car, and jesus, and I run a profile for a robot.

      They are nowhere near on the ball.

      Sadly my hypercube got its profile deleted.

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    13. Re:I'll never use Facebook by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, I am amused that their filtering software caught your hypercube, but not Jesus.

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    14. Re:I'll never use Facebook by jeffasselin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't even need Facebook for that, I can get it from your Slashdot profile now!

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    15. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says they don't have access...

    16. Re:I'll never use Facebook by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

        They do now.

      SB

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    17. Re:I'll never use Facebook by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Well, Jesus ('hey-sus') is a popular name among Latin American populations... don't know of any culture (other than ./) which would name their kid 'hypercube'... ;-)

      Cheers

    18. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stile?? Is that you?

    19. Re:I'll never use Facebook by mattcsn · · Score: 1

      How about naming a daughter "Tesseract"? You could call her "Tess" for short.

    20. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Not having a Facebook profile also has some privacy concerns. Someone can tag you in an image even if you aren't on Facebook. The only differences are that it's obviously not linked to your profile, and you cannot untag yourself from it.

      Wouldn't that be a moot point? Couldn't you tag a picture of someone on facebook and use a bogus tag,like notizomiac or something like that? They couldn't delete that could they? I have no idea as I am one of the paranoid without facebook,twitter,etc.

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    21. Re:I'll never use Facebook by rrrhys · · Score: 1

      I tried to change mine to Doctor Rhys - no such luck.

    22. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have a profile for my bong, still going strong!

    23. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The difference is, contrary to a government database I can decide to instead give them a digital 4 instead of my data.

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    24. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Kyrene · · Score: 1

      Not true. I know someone who went under his pseudonym and had his FB deleted, citing he wasn't using a "real name".

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    25. Re:I'll never use Facebook by tomtomtom777 · · Score: 1

      I have a profile for an inflatable sex pig, with a name clearly implying it's a sex pig, and a photo of the pig for the profile pic. They aren't completely on the ball. I also have a profile for a character from a very popular book series, and the profile pic is a still from one of the film adaptations, and both of these profiles have existed for over two years.

      Why?

      No seriously, I'm intrigued if there is any reason other then complete boredom, to carefully create and maintain these profiles

      After all it seems to defy the whole idea of using facebook

    26. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      My full name is not on there, my birthday is faked, and I have no other info of worth on there. I don't upload pictures and updates are very few. I occasionally comment on friends updates.

    27. Re:I'll never use Facebook by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I have a profile for an inflatable sex pig

      a/s/l?

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    28. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to answer your question, yes...but let's say your name is Jake, and your moron coworker Phil posts pics of all of you out drinking after work one day, and there are some not-so-acceptable pictures of you in his album. He can still take it with just the text "Jake", even though it's not linked to a profile.

      The issue is that your boss may be secretly looking at Phil's photo albums (because Phil leaves all his privacy stuff off), and in one of the shots it's not painfully obvious that you are in the background streaking, but now because Phil tagged you it IS.

      i know that's sort of a weak example, but i'm just trying to explain OP's "linkless tagging" issue.

    29. Re:I'll never use Facebook by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I ran a fake profile for the bean (the "Cloud Gate" sculpture in chicago) several years ago.

      It was in a relationship, tagged in photos, and wished every one of its friends happy birtday...but it was still removed.

      When I dug further into it, I was told that someone had reported the account as fake (considering the amount of fake accounts, I doubt they check unless someone reports it)...what party poopers.

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    30. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      timecube ftw

    31. Re:I'll never use Facebook by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      If your name is an obvious fake it will be deleted. I have had over 20 FB names deleted over the years that I have used for harvesting. And no, it wasn't my script, because the other accounts that sounded like real names still worked.

      I have followed FB from the beginning and their security/privacy was always an issue. If you remember in the beginning, you could edit search URLs to pull up non-public photos and profiles. Recently (2008), their advertising pages and other things made up on the fly are all vulnerable to XSS/XSRF. Lack of transparency is a huge no-no in a world of infinite archiving, the Streissand effect and TPTB. Add this to their insecure-by-design application framework, and the leaked source code showing addition photo-view logging in 2006 and this is starting to become a net liability on society.

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    32. Re:I'll never use Facebook by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

      Basically because it amused me. Every once in a while, we'll have her post something to someone's page (a lot of my friends have friended her), usually something about, "Hey hot stuff, wanna nuzzle my bacon?"

      Yes, I know I'm not normal.

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    33. Re:I'll never use Facebook by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      Why?

      After all it seems to defy the whole idea of using facebook

      Sometimes the answer is found within the question.

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    34. Re:I'll never use Facebook by blair1q · · Score: 1

      They won't delete your fake account because, maybe, you made the common mistake of joining facadebook.com instead of facebook.com? Na?

    35. Re:I'll never use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've reported a fake account, but only because the moron running it was spamming friend requests. Party pooping, eh?

  3. From Mark: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "For those wondering, I set most of my content on my personal Facebook page to be open so people could see it. I set some of my content to be more private, but I didn't see a need to limit visibility of pics with my friends, family or my teddy bear :)"

    1. Re:From Mark: by Khyber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BULLSHIT.

      He set his shit to private, it got exposed, he said "I meant to do that" and then most everything went private again.

      Give me a fucking break. He got caught with his pants down and egg on his face.

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    2. Re:From Mark: by ardle · · Score: 5, Funny

      He got caught with his pants down and egg on his face

      Did anyone save a copy of that photo?

    3. Re:From Mark: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Mark, so are you gonna delete that wall post now or deny you ever said it?

    4. Re:From Mark: by Fizzol · · Score: 1

      Was Matt Drudge involved in the pantsless egging?

    5. Re:From Mark: by DMiax · · Score: 1

      It is understandable that he set it to private, just imagine if his employer could see him that way!

    6. Re:From Mark: by jstockdale · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that the CEO and founder of Facebook, didn't know the implications of what is possibly the biggest feature launch so far this year?

      Not to mention, setting 'his shit to private' as you so eloquently put it would contradict the mission statement of Facebook.

      Anyway ... them's the facts* FWIW ... you can choose to believe what you'd like.

      *Why yes, IAAFbE.

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    7. Re:From Mark: by Dahamma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, he originally had hundreds of photos on his public profile, and now there are about a dozen.

      So either he was bitten by the profile privacy issue everyone is talking about, or he did it intentionally and then changed his mind. The first means he was confused by it, and the second means he doesn't think the default settings were appropriate after all. Which is is?

    8. Re:From Mark: by jstockdale · · Score: 1

      Lets double check your logic Dahamma:

      Step 1) Pictures are posted
      Step 2) Media makes a big deal out of it
      Step 3) Less pictures are posted

      Somehow, from this process, you assume step 2, despite occurring before step 3, has no causal relation?

      Seriously ... I need to stop feeding the trolls.

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    9. Re:From Mark: by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I don't think there was anything trolling about my post - sorry, but you are being a bit defensive.

      Anyway, you are saying the media scrutiny made him realize he shouldn't have made everything public, so he made more photos private. Sure, that's a causal relation, which was my second proposed explanation.

      In a broader context, you're welcome to argue that changing a user's privacy settings to something more permissive during an upgrade unless specifically overridden was acceptable behavior. But you're not going to have a lot of agreement with that position here or in any privacy or security forums.

      I think one problem is that the best (and really, the only remotely convincing) argument I have heard in favor of these permissive defaults is one that Facebook is probably hesitant to use - true privacy on the Internet in general, and on Facebook in particular, is far less than most people think. So in a way with this change they are being more honest in that real privacy is kind of a sham, anyway. Unfortunately, that's not really a good advertisement for the service...

    10. Re:From Mark: by rho · · Score: 1

      Do they put something in the water cooler at Facebook HQ?

      BTW, the "News Feed/Live Feed" thing is a piece of shit and whoever came up with it should be wrapped in barbed wire and shot into the sun.

      Facebook used to be pretty nifty. Now it's made of AIDS. Fuck it.

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    11. Re:From Mark: by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Uh, the fact is that the public stuff is now on his celeberty page, which people can be fans of or not. He likely has a personal profile page, where he can friend people and people can friend him which is set to private.

      Indeed you can find his actual profile page, and its heavily locked down... no pictures except a profile picture at all.

    12. Re:From Mark: by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      He got caught with his pants down and egg on his face. I've seen the picture... that stuff on his face isn't egg!

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    13. Re:From Mark: by Khyber · · Score: 1

      If you're a facebook engineer then you should be able to see me ripping the very few images Mark had left in his profile, picturesucker + URL mangling FTW, n00b. Your security features are pointless and I think I should be writing a black paper right about now concerning the lackadaisical nature of the security of Facebook.

      Ooops, too late, my picture ripping is done, and you guys didn't even see it. Pretty sad.

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    14. Re:From Mark: by Khyber · · Score: 1

      It's not locked down with URL mangling and a copy of PictureSucker.

      They're pretty naive about old methods of ripping websites.

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    15. Re:From Mark: by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Now it's made of AIDS. Fuck it.

      Sorry, but, LOL!!!

      From the same site with someone's sig which states, "Fuck the system? Nah, might catch something", your choice of derogatory dismissal words is downright hysterical. Thanks!

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  4. too funny by pertelote · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have spent the best part of the week trying to adjust my facebook profile to some level of discreteness that I am comfortable with. Have been very unhappy with the "all or nothing" choices, and have started just simply deleting content. I feel a little better, because now I am sure the settings will get some fine-tuning.

    Just for fun:
    http://www.facebook.com/pertelote

    And this is after I have locked down as much as I can without insulting my family and classmates.

    1. Re:too funny by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Maybe this is just PR for the new privacy controls. Mark Zuckerberg saying its okay for me...

    2. Re:too funny by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      So...are you single? ;)

    3. Re:too funny by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      The worst part about the new settings: You can't keep your photos from being tied to you. Sure you can make your profile picture a kitchen sink (since you must show your profile picture), but now that you must show your friends list, if any of your friends has an open profile and tags you in a photo, it's game over; cyber-stalker-chick/dude knows what you look like (and your hometown since that's mandatory open now too). So now to be private, you have to police your friends. I'm curious what witness protection plans doing in the coming decades; cabins in the woods?

    4. Re:too funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, she's a full album.

    5. Re:too funny by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Ah... but you see.. I can see 200 friends in your profile, that might not all have their privacy settings turned up that high.

      I just have to find one of them to have a little discrete innocent chat with "Hey, do you know such and such.. bla bla.. bla bla..."

      People are almost always a weaker link than technology.

    6. Re:too funny by awyeah · · Score: 1

      It's actually possible to hide your friend list from your public profile - but you have to hide it from your profile entirely.

      Of course, that doesn't mean that I agree with the "enhanced" privacy settings.

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    7. Re:too funny by pertelote · · Score: 1

      that's what I meant by not insulting family and friends. it is all or nothing.

    8. Re:too funny by gleffler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, it isn't. If you go to the URL of the friends list, you can view anybody's friends list.

      See http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=zuck even though if you go to http://facebook.com/zuck, there's no way to view his friends list.

    9. Re:too funny by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Addendum: In case I wasn't clear... one message to the right friend with the right text, and the average person will happilly (accidentally) divulge their login details, e.g. suitable phish attempt will provide your info that they have access to.

      That's the trouble with Facebook's "privacy settings"... they're only as good as the security precautions of other people you trust/know personally.

      At least not when FB forces you to show your friend list to everyone (or to hide it from everyone, which few people will do, as it prevents even their friends from seeing the person's friends..)

    10. Re:too funny by druuna · · Score: 0

      You are not all that public.....

      I see this when I use the link you gave:

      Sign up for Facebook to connect with Lisa K LaForest Schreiner.

    11. Re:too funny by Gizzmonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If she has any level of discreteness, then certainly she be divided into a single entity!

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    12. Re:too funny by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 0, Troll

      I am seeing that most of slashdot is now on facebook, which is totally sad. I can't reply to everyone, so I had to pick someone, and that was you, congratulations!. Here it goes:

      You use Facebook? What a faggot.

      There, I feel much better now.

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    13. Re:too funny by FlyMysticalDJ · · Score: 2, Funny

      This scandal must have had a big effect on Mark's social life because I went to http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=markzuckerberg and it plainly told me: "Mark has no friends."

    14. Re:too funny by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I hate replying to a troll, but I must... Mark Z is friends with OJ Simpson?

    15. Re:too funny by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am seeing that most of slashdot is now on facebook, which is totally sad. I can't reply to everyone, so I had to pick someone, and that was you, congratulations!. Here it goes:

      You use Facebook? What a faggot.

      There, I feel much better now.

      Someone's totally going to troll you on usenet for having an account on /.

    16. Re:too funny by Anci3nt+of+Days · · Score: 2, Funny

      except Tom.

    17. Re:too funny by drew30319 · · Score: 1

      "Mark has no friends in common with you."

      Well, that's a relief.

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    18. Re:too funny by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      Can you tell us what settings you chose? I'm still messing with mine and don't have a complete idea what is exposed and what isn't. Having some idea of what people who have spent a lot of time thinking about this are doing might help. For some of the options it isn't even well explained what exactly the settings do.

    19. Re:too funny by pertelote · · Score: 1

      I started by setting everything, under applications and privacy to "Me Only" and then used "Settings|Privacy|Manage|Preview My Profile" to see what my friends would see. That has been the biggest help. Of course some info never went up in the first place. I did not care how much facebook nagged, I never put my relationship status, or political views or several other things up.

      I next changed a few settings to "Friends" I think only my Profile Picture and Add As Friend are set to Everyone. Even "Posts by Friends" is set to "Me Only." I also split my friends into 4 different lists and use the "Customize" to choose which list sees what. Long, tedious, and confusing, but hopefully I am safe from stalkers and can still have fun with my family!

      Hope this helps.

    20. Re:too funny by pertelote · · Score: 1

      So, you don't see anything at all? Not even a list of friends or my profile pic? Cool! I win!

    21. Re:too funny by pertelote · · Score: 1

      yep, you got that right.

    22. Re:too funny by base3 · · Score: 1

      Played around with this; works for some but not others. Could it be tied to whether each user has been forced through the new privacy settings processed yet?

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    23. Re:too funny by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but no. We see all 202 of your friends.

      It seems that you, Lisa, are a bit of a paradox. I see by your facebook profile that you're a fan of Malwarebytes, suggesting you must be pretty proficient with a computer. At the same time, you seem to be unaware that FB provides you with a tool to see what your profile looks like to other users - suggesting you're *NOT* that computer proficient!

      "Wait til I get going! Now, where was I? " (Bensafrickingenius proves his mettle by quoting The Princess Bride)

      OK, next, you show what a gun nut you are by linking to the "Firearms Multimedia Guide." BUT!!! No true gun nut would do that! If you advertise that you're a gun nut, then the Obama administration knows EXACTLY who's door to knock down first when they come for our guns!!! Silly girl!!!

      In closing, I don't know WHAT to think about you, so I take it back. Well done, Lisa (or whatever your name is).

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    24. Re:too funny by Nocterro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it isn't. If you go to the URL of the friends list, you can view anybody's friends list.

      Interesting? -1, Wrong. If your profile is not set to be searchable, that information is unavailable.

      Coincidentally, I've taken five minutes to set my privacy settings correctly and have only praise for the increased granularity now available. What percentage of those complaining here have ever used facebook anyway?

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    25. Re:too funny by pertelote · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you read the rest of my posts, you would see that I specified the "Preview My Profile" tool to someone else who asked. My main proficiency is networking, and rescuing people's computers from their owner's actions and lack of planning. Being up on the latest quirk in social networking has nothing to do with my hardware/software/coding/radio protocol abilities. As a matter of fact, I spend so much time fixing other people's stuff some of my own problems are collecting dust in the office. Facebook is a small diversion for a busy geek. Part of the point of my original post is the fact that I should not have to spend a week trying to undo and reset what a "play" site has done.

      Nice riff on Princess Bride.

    26. Re:too funny by jaraxle · · Score: 1

      Oh my god, you use Usenet?

      /goes off to post some drivel about "Culture20 on FIDOnet...

      ~jaraxle

    27. Re:too funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see a difference there, so they must have changed something already. No friends list either one.

    28. Re:too funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixed, as of a few hours ago?

      http://www.facebook.com/help/question.php?id=283472

    29. Re:too funny by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      She has four words in her name. What do you think? :)

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    30. Re:too funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I meant no offense! Given the time of my post, I was probably a tad tipsy.

  5. Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, if he has nothing to hide then this shouldn't be a problem. Only people with criminal activity need privacy, right?

  6. Ok so where are the pictures? by areusche · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Ok so where are the pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks,
      I've resisted having a Facebook account but I think I might get one now. Whether deliberate or accidental, it makes me feel more secure knowing thiws guy put himself in the same boat as his fans and customers. Kind of a reverse-monarchy attitude.
      I also like that his gf is of a different race to hime. No white supremacism with this fella.

      Hello facebook world!

    2. Re:Ok so where are the pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, so if this Jewish fella had a white girlfriend, he would be some sort of Nazi supporting KKK member?

    3. Re:Ok so where are the pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll sign up for facebook because ... the founder likes asian pussy?

    4. Re:Ok so where are the pictures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you're a retard.

  7. Eating your own dog food... by oldhack · · Score: 1

    takes on another outfit.

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  8. He should've left them public by Karganeth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He definitely should have left them public. He should've made it look as though he meant to do that and left them on. Somebody will have downloaded them all anyway.

    1. Re:He should've left them public by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Oh, they're out there... So far I've just seen the highlights, but I'm sure people have them all.

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  9. Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by swein515 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "For those wondering, I set most of my content on my personal Facebook page to be open so people could see it. I set some of my content to be more private, but I didn't see a need to limit visibility of pics with my friends, family or my teddy bear :)"

    http://www.facebook.com/markzuckerberg

    1. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Right... checkout the post right under yours: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1476946&cid=30425522

    2. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For these wondering his personal profile page is http://www.facebook.com/zuck

      Also either Facebook is glitching (It's been doing that a lot lately), or there is no option to add him as a friend,
      and his friends list is hidden, even though that is no longer allowed.

    3. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by cameigons · · Score: 1

      But it's weird, I've read on the news that it was almost 300 pictures.. but I only see a couple dozens.

    4. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Tacvek · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.facebook.com/markzuckerberg is a Facebook Page about Mark, that he runs, which allows people to become "fans" of him. His Profile is at http://www.facebook.com/zuck, although either he removed his photos, or Facebook is glitching again. More damning is the fact that he appears to have hidden his friend's list, unless that is part of the glitch.

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    5. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong:

      http://www.facebook.com/help.php?page=927

      How can I hide my Friend List on my profile?
      First, click the pencil icon in the Friends box on your profile. Then, uncheck the "Show my friends on my profile" box. People who come to your profile will not be able to see this information.

      And it's always been possible under the old and new privacy controls to control what audiences are able to add you as a friend.

      So basically, you're wrong on both counts.

    6. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Tacvek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Damnit, s/friend's/friends/.

      Also for clarification the reason why the missing friend's list is damning is because hiding the friends list is one of the options that was removed.

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    7. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by cameigons · · Score: 1

      Oh, thanks, I didn't pay attention to that. But still as it stands it's possible that it was indeed unintentional him opening his profile like that, and his public claims are merely a (rather good) coverup for it

    8. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by six11 · · Score: 1

      Regardless of if he did it on purpose, those pictures tell me that he is basically a regular dude, or at least plays one on the Intertron. I don't find any of those pictures even remotely embarrassing or controversial. Not that I'm supporting the recent privacy policy changes.

    9. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are full of shit and he is full of shit.
      Here is the link of ALL the pictures "he meant to show" but all of a sudden are not there?

      http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbergs-private-photos-2009-12#with-girlfriend-priscilla-chan-from-her-album-moments-have-you-seen-a-sweeter-thing-today-probably-not-1

      So now the question is this - how much you got paid to write that?

    10. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which glitches? His profile has always had the Add as Friend button disabled, and the friend list can be hidden from everyone now (which is still not as configurable as how it was before) - I use both of those options myself. The conflicting points at this stage relate to his status update denying the fact he did revealed anything in error; except his photos are no longer accessible.

    11. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      I agree. It in fact seems probable that the photos were inadvertant, although I'm no sure about the rest. Some of the rest may have been intentional or it all amy have been unintentional. His removal of the images strongly implies it was unintentional.

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    12. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Reply to myself again. It looks like the frien hiding is possible, but it reqwuires removing them from your profile entirely, but it is still possible for anybody to see the list using a URL like http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=zuck. Thanks to gleffler for this info.

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    13. Re:Um, he did it ON PURPOSE by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Technically, that's illegal too. To publish an identifiable photo of a person, one typically needs a model release from that individual. Yes everybody does it, and most people don't care. But the fact that he owns Facebook and is making advertising money off the public exhibition of those photos could open him up to some juicy liability should anyone in those photos wish to pursue it.

  10. he meant to do it, then had the pictures removed by Mr.Zuka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it says a lot about his personality that he posted to his newsfeed that he meant to post the pictures, then somehow the pictures mysteriously disappear. Kind of scary with an ego that he can't admit to a mistake that small. If there ever was a security breach would facebook ever admit to it?

  11. If you're worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont put your shit in there, and, Fuck Facebook.

    1. Re:If you're worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meh, I get a lot of ass of facebook.

  12. i really dont get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i really don't.

    The new privacy dialog game up when I logged in and i read it and then checked each option to keep things the same as before... it's not rocket science. One's inability to read and think is not Facebook's fault.

    1. Re:i really dont get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that wizard *didn't* keep everything the same as before: http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009/12/10/now-facebook-lets-users-hide-friends-from-people-who-are-not-logged-in/ (also follow through to the original post on the topic).

  13. Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I vaguely remember automatically being "friends" with mark zuckerberg when I originally signed up for facebook eons ago... (This was before "fans" existed...).

    In any case, I wouldn't think someone like mark would want most of his pictures private.. it is his site after all!

    1. Re:Eh? by sopssa · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's MySpace, and it wasn't CEO of MySpace you were friends with.

  14. DID NOT WANT by phantomcircuit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Note to self: think before clicking links to private pictures of nerd.

    1. Re:DID NOT WANT by antdude · · Score: 1

      Aren't you a nerd/geek yourself? [grin]

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    2. Re:DID NOT WANT by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      No problem, just click the "Unlike" link.

    3. Re:DID NOT WANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should write it like this:

      my $elf;
      Note to $elf: think before clicking links to private pictures of nerd.

      Just using $elf makes it a global accessible variable, which is probably not what you want.

  15. what an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This self-serving policy change is certainly a strong warning for everyone to avoid facebook and others. Having such a stupid CEO should be the coup de grace for facebook.

  16. Re:he meant to do it, then had the pictures remove by DarkTempes · · Score: 1

    Not unless they were legally liable for it and also had a decent chance of being sued at that. But that's pretty much standard operating procedure for any IT company.

    I would not be surprised if PR suggested he take the pictures down just because people THOUGHT there was a security problem because some of them were available to the public. I would also not be surprised if there was a problem and he lied to make Facebook look better so as to try to keep their reputation (read: investors) looking good. I'm not sure we can really surmise much about his ego from this though given that his actions may largely be pressured by what Facebook needs than what his ego desires.

  17. Re:he meant to do it, then had the pictures remove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, that's par for the course, isn't it? Naive "I have nothing to hide" never lasts long when the attention comes. Even people who are in the showbiz don't want everybody rummaging around in their private lives. Can you imagine how Zuckerberg's friends reacted to that kind of scrutiny?

  18. Douche? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of self-absorbed douchebag has 300 photos of himself on his profile?

  19. Re:he meant to do it, then had the pictures remove by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Banks won't admit to it, when they have a breach. I doubt Facebook will.

  20. my facebook status this past thursday reads by weirdcrashingnoises · · Score: 3, Funny

    [name] dislikes facebook's new privacy alert that by default would have made my facebook LESS secure... *rolleyes*

    Today's status update is a link to this article with my comment "Oh, the irony!"

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  21. Who cares by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Facebook might be the social network giant but it's a really pointless site. It's more about showing off how many friends you have who most of you probably haven't met.

    Joining groups who's point is to see how many people join the group and most of all showing off your pics and status in life.

    I do have a facebook account but I haven't updated it in 3 years which is about when I made it. If you want to keep your life private don't put it on the web. How hard is it to just pass a USB key or pass a memory key and let your real friends see your pics / status or anything else you feel like sharing.

    Facebook might be the social giant of the internet but it's also a giant waste of time and resources. Don't complain that your pics get stolen, released or broadcast. If you really want to keep your info private then don't put it on the net.

    1. Re:Who cares by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Facebook might be the social network giant but it's a really pointless site. It's more about showing off how many friends you have who most of you probably haven't met.

            I have noticed from personal experience that time spent on facebook is inversely proportional to how involved one is in a relationship with a human of the opposite sex. For some reason all those people that I know that spend 10+ hours a day on facebook, informing the world minute-by-minute what they are up to, have invariably been single or are in unhappy relationships.

            I used to have a facebook account. I met my current girlfriend on that site, believe it or not. We've been living together 2 years and things have never been better. Oh, and I deleted my facebook account a long time ago... However I know a lot of my girlfriend's single female 40+ friends have their whole autobiographies on facebook...

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    2. Re:Who cares by Murdoch5 · · Score: 0

      lol nice post. I agree with you for the most part. Good job meeting your girl friend, it happens from time to time and I can agree to that. However I've noticed that when I need to find a computer at the college 3/4 of the time the person using it is updating there facebook status or playing a new facebook game or on a facebook group. It just gets really really irritating.

      I'm not going to say getting rid of facebook is a good idea but it might be a good idea to tone down what you can do on facebook, social networking is one thing but facebook is social re-engineering. Turning face to face into face to profile or face to picture.

    3. Re:Who cares by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      I have noticed from personal experience that time spent on facebook is inversely proportional to how involved one is in a relationship with a human of the opposite sex.

      There may be something to that. I don't have any facebook presence, and have been married for almost 30 years.

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    4. Re:Who cares by SpooForBrains · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because the sample of everyone that you know clearly represents the entirety of society.

      I am married, happily, with children. I have a healthy circle of Actual Real Life Friends. I also have a healthy circle of online friends, with whom I converse frequently (usually daily), share parenthood stories, exchange photos, and generally have a Gay Old Time(tm). And that's not even including the overlap between those Real Life Friends and the Online friends.

      The Internet is many different things to many different people, and what's true for you is not necessarily true for everyone else.

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  22. Poor choice of defaults by StuartHankins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any system which defaults to "share everything" is a fail. You should never have to opt-out, only opt-in, to release data. Otherwise it's way too easy to screw up and show something private to everyone (as in this example).

    1. Re:Poor choice of defaults by TejWC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, this default is even worse than most people could have imagined!

      For example, lets say you go to a party and a "friend" of yours takes a picture of you doing something that looks rather scandalous because you are drunk. And then, your friend uploads the pic to Facebook and tags your name to it. You realize you have been tagged in the photo and you don't want other people to see it. So you untag yourself and send a message to your friend to delete it. However, your friend either doesn't go on Facebook very often or doesn't check Facebook messages so the photo is still up there and there is nothing you can really do about it except pray that nobody else stumbles upon it.

      And then suddenly Facebook decides to make everybody's photos Public to anybody. Now this bad photo of you is available to everybody and there is nothing you can do about it except call your other friends in order to get the cell phone number of the guy that took your picture.

      Yeah, this default sucks real bad.

    2. Re:Poor choice of defaults by MWoody · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any system wherein you upload pictures for the world to see is fail for not assuming that's what you want to do? We're not talking an OS or web server here; it's a social site.

      I have to ask: if you have private pictures, why are they online?

    3. Re:Poor choice of defaults by sjames · · Score: 1

      Have you ever told a friend something you wouldn't tell your boss?

    4. Re:Poor choice of defaults by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      I haven't looked at it in a while, but if you were tagged in an album, any of your friends could view the *whole* album.

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    5. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Eskarel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish people would stop making the assumption that because someone shares something on facebook they want to share it with the world.

      There are levels of privacy and sharing between telling everyone everything and hiding in a secure lead lined bunker somewhere. I might want to share pictures of my kid with my friends and family who live in other states and other countries without wanting to share that photo with the entire rest of the world.

      The reason for using a social site is to allow you to exchange information in a controlled way. If I wanted to just share information with the world I'd stick it up on a public facing web page and let google find it. The problem is that Mark Zuckerberg is an idiot and presumes exactly like you do, that because I want to show my mother her grandchild that I want to share that same information with him and everyone else. Guess what I don't.

      I know that the social networking evangalists seem to think that everyone should be metaphorically naked for the world to see and we'd all get along better, and the tin foil hat brigade thinks we should never give our real names even to our spouses, but a lot of times, people want somewhere in the middle.

    6. Re:Poor choice of defaults by prograde · · Score: 1

      You opt-in when you sign up for an account.

    7. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Puff_Of_Hot_Air · · Score: 1

      Well this is the point of facebook isn't it? It's not "online for all the world to see". It's "online for all my friends and family to see". I mean, if it's just a "show the world" site, why bother with a friends list at all? Why wouldn't you just have a a home page builder ala geocities? The idea that appeals to people is to have a semi private place to share stuff with friends/family on the interweb.

    8. Re:Poor choice of defaults by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And i wish people like you would stop assuming that you have a level of privacy when you send your stuff to third parties. Unless you have a privacy service agreement with every link in the chain with every provider between here and the person the information was intended for, presume it to be non-private henceforth.

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    9. Re:Poor choice of defaults by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      I have pics of my family online because we have a large extended family and it's easier to share this way, but I certainly don't want every pervert in the world to be able to see them. I use a private site to accomplish this, but I could easily see how others -- who may not be technically inclined to get their own hosting plan and learn how to set this up themselves -- might use private FaceBook (or other pages) to do the same thing.

      There are different levels of privacy -- for instance I'm fine with sharing some documents and pics with my entire extended family (kids' wish lists, family pics). There are some documents that only my immediate family should be able to see (passwords, etc in case something happens to me). There are other documents that only my employer should be able to see (because of NDA's and all that, some documents should not be viewed by my family). And then you have things such as browsing history / bookmarks that I consider very private not because there's anything bad about them but because I consider myself fairly private in most regards and that's just nobody's business.

      All this could explain why I may have a "faked" FaceBook account with false info, but that's only because I wanted to look someone up and apparently you have to be a member to do that.

    10. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Tokerat · · Score: 1

      I have to ask: if you have private pictures, why are they online?

      Easy, you're convinced it's "easier" and "More convenient" that way, so that "the cloud" can be forced on you. Then, when everyone is completely dependent on it, they'll start charging (and by "they", I am referring to the entire IT industry).

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    11. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FINAN.

      fail is not a noun. *-)

    12. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wish people would stop making the assumption that things on the web are private. WORLD WIDE WEB is called that for a reason.

      There are no "levels" of privacy on the web. There is only "more or less secure", and Facebook is anything but "secure".

      And if you don't directly control it, you don't have control over it.

      SO, you see, you're just wrong.

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    13. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, my bank and credit statements are on websites...

    14. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you entrust the information to a third party, you can't really expect it to stay private, especially if their privacy policy makes them not liable for anything.

      If you want control over things you put online, host them yourself, and allow only specific people to access them, using strong passwords. Sure, people aren't likely to go to your website, but if you care about privacy, that's about the only way you can do it.

    15. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't even have to have a facebook account for pictures of you to be uploaded. They can still tag the pictures with your name.

      It may not be obvious to you, but some people have friends (and enemies?), and some people do leave their mom's basement from time to time.

    16. Re:Poor choice of defaults by jimicus · · Score: 1

      It's not just my private pictures I'm concerned about.

      10 years ago the most anyone could do with an embarrassing photo of me was to show it to my friends. Today they can show it to the entire world and because of Facebook's tagging system, the entire world can find it very easily indeed.

    17. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a simple solution. One that I've employed successfully.

      Do not sign up as an user to Facebook. Do not use it.

    18. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Thus, your online banking information is also public data as you most likely don't have a privacy service agreement with your ISP. Granted, you send it via SSL but if someone gets around that he's perfectly justified to take it.

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    19. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Imagine you do something stupid (get so drunk you can't control your actions), while hanging out with a stupid friend (the kind who would upload a bad picture of you to Facebook). Then you do something else stupid (communicate via Facebook rather than pick up a phone) and continue to be stupid (still not calling). Then you post a stupid example (requiring 4 unlikely events to happen in sequence) and someone points out that you are stupid, not only once but FOUR times.

      That would suck.

    20. Re:Poor choice of defaults by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      If you really wanted to share stuff in a "controlled" way you would set up a web or ftp server and only give your friends an family the password. Facebook privacy setings are security like putting the house key under the doormat is security.

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    21. Re:Poor choice of defaults by jadrian · · Score: 1

      So basically you are saying we should stop assuming our emails, phone calls, and mail deliveries have a level of privacy?

    22. Re:Poor choice of defaults by steelfood · · Score: 1

      There is such a thing as security through obscurity, just that it's not completely secure against a determined party. It's like the reason for a lock on your door. Sure, somebody can just bump the lock and gain entry, but the casual passerby can't just waltz in.

      Certainly, somebody with a lot of money would be able to subpoena Level3 or UUnet to get their server backups to get to a copy of your pictures. But a potential employer probably won't have those resources or won't be willing to use those resources unless you're interviewing for a position important enough. On the other hand, it's trivial to get to the same pictures through facebook.

      Or I can put it in terms of thinking of the children. A pedophile that lives nearby can easily get to pictures of your kids through facebook just by doing a search for your name, or for that matter, a search for your location cross referenced with some factual information about you (the car you drive, your hobbies, your alma mata), but he'd (she'd) not likely be able to do so if those pictures were sent through e-mail, as that person would have to know your e-mail address first.

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    23. Re:Poor choice of defaults by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      You mean the web?

      See robots.txt

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      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
    24. Re:Poor choice of defaults by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Because you want to share those photos with a friend, but not with random strangers?

      Why don't you publish all your personal E-mails and chats to the web as well while you're at it? Those are done online too.

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      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
    25. Re:Poor choice of defaults by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      No, in this context I mean sites such as FaceBook. It may look like a blog but it's not, the main difference is that everything on a blog is intended to be public and everything on a social site such as FaceBook is probably intended to have different levels of privacy depending on the viewer's relationship to you. As was said elsewhere, there are things you would tell your family you wouldn't tell your boss, and perhaps other things you would tell your friends you wouldn't tell your family and/or boss.

      Probably the easiest way to sum this up: Each of us has many facets of our life and only some of those are intended to be public.

    26. Re:Poor choice of defaults by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Yes, actually. The Telco immunity act proved that phones are not private at all. The USPS can open any mail it deems necessary, and private email...lol stop it. Im not saying we shouldnt EXPECT that we would have controls in place to ensure privacy in those spaces, but to actually think using 3 rd party systems to deliver messages is private is naive. Encrypt if you want privacy, else always expect that what you send out over other people's delivery systems always has a chance of appearing in very public way. No where in my statement did i say that thief is less culpable, only that to expect privacy using 3rd party delivery systems is laughable. Its nice, and most of the time we get it, but there is no REAL checks on them releasing any info of yours they want. You may be able to sue later but it doesnt put the genie back in the bottle.

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    27. Re:Poor choice of defaults by jadrian · · Score: 1

      Why even bother with saying:

      "Unless you have a privacy service agreement with every link in the chain with every provider between here and the person the information was intended for, presume it to be non-private henceforth."

      After all if they break their compromise:

      "you may be able to sue later but it doesn't put the genie back in the bottle."

      Basically what you are saying is trivial and uninteresting. If you provide info to anyone at all, they may make it public.

    28. Re:Poor choice of defaults by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      No, Facebook privacy works fairly well, when facebook stops being "information wants to be free" dickheads and changing your privacy settings by default.

      If I stuck files on an ftp server and locked it down, it would cost me time, it would cost me money, and most of my relatives wouldn't be able to work it, plus I'd have to give them the password over e-mail which isn't secure either.

      I don't want my photos to be impossible to find, I just want them hard enough to find. It's like a front door, you can get through most front doors in about 30 seconds with a sledge hammer, but most people don't carry one of those around. I don't need my door to be impenetrable, just hard enough to penetrate.

    29. Re:Poor choice of defaults by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      My response was predicated on your use of "any system" not "any private social network site".

      I also disagree to some degree -- since you were speaking of defaults, not of options. If a social networking site clearly tells you that everything is public until you mark it private and lets you set anything to private that you wish, then its not a failure at all IMHO.

      I would lay more blame on people using Facebook like its a private whispering club in the corner of a staircase than on Facebook for assuming people using a social networking site want to be sociable.

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      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
  23. It's too hard to manage privacy on Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really hard because there is no way to be able to easily see what other people can see. If you don't sign into an account then Facebook doesn't let you see anything, no matter what the user's settings are. Since you can't have multiple accounts there is no way to check your own profile as a random Facebook user to see what they can see about you.

    Plus, why is Facebook slow as hell? That damn site annoys the crap out of me. Half the time I click on stuff and it never appears (like my own friend list). Reatarded site.

    1. Re:It's too hard to manage privacy on Facebook by srjh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, there's a "Preview my profile" in the privacy settings - it shows you what the general public sees and you can modify it so that it shows you what any specific person sees.

      Not sure how long they've had that, but I got a nasty surprise the first time I used that, having previously thought my profile was locked down pretty tightly.

      This last debacle was pretty disgraceful, though - sending out a message telling everyone they should change to the "recommended" setting of making everything public by default and even calling private settings "old facebook" rather than actually describing them as what they were. For some reason they still don't realise they're not Twitter.

    2. Re:It's too hard to manage privacy on Facebook by complete+loony · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I hovered my mouse of the "old facebook" a tooltip was displayed that showed what the old setting was. But still, not very obvious.

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  24. The new FaceBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where, having never been a member, the few public things I did sometimes read on there no longer display without javascript. That's quite pathetic.

  25. Privacy by zen-o-matic · · Score: 1

    Oh, the irony!
    Thank God I don't use FB (and never ever will). :-)

  26. What am I missing? by BlueWaterBaboonFarm · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is an honest question. I've seen numerous stories about how terrible Facebook's privacy setting are but I just don't understand what is wrong. I've made a dummy account with the same settings as my personal Facebook account. Tell me what you can find out about "Billy Slashdot Perkins". The answer is nothing as far as I can tell. Searching for him on Google or Facebook gives no results as far as I can tell.

    As far as I can tell there are two options for privacy on Facebook

    (1) Be 'searchable' which means some information about yourself should be included otherwise the search is useless

    (2) Not be 'searchable'. Everything you have is private and between you and the friends you have

    I have option (1) and I haven't had any problems with it yet.

    Please tell me specifically what it is about Facebook that is violating your privacy?

    1. Re:What am I missing? by /dev/trash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to be like 20 and want to share all your drinking pics with all your loser friends but your boss is like 30 and he's not into that shit, so he'll fire ya if he ever found all those drinking pics.

    2. Re:What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 30 year old sounds like an uptight dick. Why is everyone in such a rush to act old?

    3. Re:What am I missing? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if he's prepared to fire you for things you did not on the job, you're better off not working for him anyway. Better still, if he's stupid enough to come out and say it was about stuff that happened in your personal life, I wonder if you could sue the company and win. Normally I'm not one to sue at the drop of a hat, but the companies who are overstepping their bounds like this deserve to be punished hard.

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      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    4. Re:What am I missing? by sheriff_p · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hey buddy,

      I have my account on the highest level of lock-down. However, if you get the URL to my profile, or you're a friend of a friend, you can still see (and I can't block this):

      - My friend list, in its entirety
      - Pages of which I'm a fan
      - Profile photo
      - An option to send me a friend request
      - Some other stuff

      None of which I wanted. My circumstances are somewhat special, because not everyone needs or wants this level of security, but I do, and I used to have it, and now it's gone away.

      -P

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    5. Re:What am I missing? by BlueWaterBaboonFarm · · Score: 1
      Thank you. That is exactly what I wanted to know. My account is on the highest level of lock down as well. I did want to know what I had lost since this change.

      I'm still of the opinion that it's not that bad.

      It would, however, be much nicer if people 'friend' list were actually friends, instead of 1000 acquaintances. I would be a lot more comfortable if the 'friends of friends' were truly friends of friends.

      At least for me my friend list is limited to people I know well (less than 100).

      Anyway, thank you for your response. It's much easier to understand than a lot of the frantic "OMG everyone can Facebook stalk me".

    6. Re:What am I missing? by chialea · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go to your profile and hit the little pencil icon next to it. You can hide your friends list from there. (Thanks to another /. commenter, who pointed this out to me.)

      BTW, make sure you lock down the settings on what your friends' apps can see, unless you trust them not to accidentally add malware.

    7. Re:What am I missing? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Well, what is even WORSE than this is that the "upgrade" involved a very vague and midleading page that by default encouraged users to CHANGE the privacy settings for many things that weren't necessarily public by default - like all of your photos.

      Some of those things were possible to continue restricting, but they should have kept the same permissions during the "upgrade". IMO anything else is just dishonest.

    8. Re:What am I missing? by madpansy · · Score: 1

      It still doesn't let you hide your geek friends from your normal ones.

    9. Re:What am I missing? by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      There's another little thing i discovered today whilst dicking around with a false account. If you add someone as a friend, you can see their 'new friends' news feed items before they've added you as a friend. Not sure if it applies to other news feed items. It was purely an accidental discovery, and the window of opportunity had passed before i could invietigate further. Going to play around a bit more tomorrow.

    10. Re:What am I missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is hard when you're a celebrity, constantly hounded by the media and crazed fans, isn't it? Or perhaps you just need to get over yourself?

  27. Gaming our privacy controls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tend to think that Facebook is just gaming our privacy controls.
    Once in a while they make an attempt to "enact new security provisions"... forcing users to, once again, update their security settings.

    Eventually there will be enough dumb/careless users out there who can't and won't get it right, opening more users to the likes of advertisers and whatever else Facebook want our information for.

  28. You can't see his friend list now either!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the jackass didn't like his own company's privacy policy and is now getting special treatment. While the rest of us have our friend lists visible to the public, his is no longer visible!!!! Fill the jerk's inbox with complaints!

    1. Re:You can't see his friend list now either!!! by colfer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Removing your friends from public view is possible. Instead of privacy settings, just go to your profile and click the pencil icon that magically appears next to "Friends" when you mouse-over. Terrible UI to have this stuff split up and not explained.

    2. Re:You can't see his friend list now either!!! by colfer · · Score: 1

      My mistake, munging the URL reveals his friends, as pointed out in another comment here: http://www.facebook.com/friends/?id=zuck

    3. Re:You can't see his friend list now either!!! by chialea · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the pointer. I'd been looking all over for that. I'd also suggest checking out the settings on what your friends' apps can see in your profile; it's very open by default.

    4. Re:You can't see his friend list now either!!! by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      You were looking because I don't think it was there before. I previewed my profile the day after the changes, and indeed anyone could see my friends. I just tried it now, and now one can anymore. So either there was a glitch, or they snuck a change in.

  29. Things I love... by nilbog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I love it when I read a story about another story that is all about photos, yet neither story contains or links to any.

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  30. Facebook is best used anonymously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enuf info in public domain as it is - how much more candy do we retarded people need to "GIFT" to govt/business/stalkers....oh, and my ex now works at a hospital and has 4 kids

    Thank you Facebook

  31. The old facebook was better... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He totally deserved it. He should take it as a message to STOP FUCKING WITH FACEBOOK!

  32. Facebook has no privacy anymore by Psx29 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You used to be able to exclude yourself from the system. Now you can't even opt out of the Facebook API, there is information that is accessible to 3rd party developers as long as your friends install an app. Used to be you could opt out of it though. After this whole debacle I ended up requesting deletion of my facebook account, which should be processed in 10 days.

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  34. One word... by TheBunnyGirl.com · · Score: 0

    p0wned !

  35. Google Wave by JNSL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We all know that Facebook is afraid of Wave. Now why don't they behave like it?

  36. Mod parent up informative by argent · · Score: 1

    That's a little counterintuitive, thanks for pointing that out.

  37. problem with your post by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    I love that too! But I can't find the link to become a fan of things like this?

  38. Re:he meant to do it, then had the pictures remove by Xest · · Score: 1

    There's been no major hack and subsequent large data leak AFAIK, but Facebook has had countless vulnerabilities, one of which has gone unfixed that allows you to grab someone's private photos, messages and other private information that I discovered and reported over 2 years ago.

    I gather many other people who have discovered and reported vulnerabilities have seen a similar story.

  39. Re:he meant to do it, then had the pictures remove by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    Kind of scary with an ego that he can't admit to a mistake that small.

    Considering how much press this generates, it's not exactly a small mistake. This is akin to that guy who used to promote his identify theft prevention business by putting his social security number in his ads, and then eventually getting one or more loans taken out in his name. When much of Mark's business is involved with privacy, he certainly wants to do everything possible to make it appear that the privacy policy that his company sets also works for him, but apparently it doesn't. That's not something he wants to admit.

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    "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
  40. doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as of now.

  41. Hopefully Google will buy FB... by maharvey · · Score: 1

    Hopefully Google will buy FB so we don't have to worry about someone using the data for evil.

  42. More and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More and more it seems like this guy fell ass backward into money and nothing more.