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Microsoft eOpen Site Down For Nearly a Week

mauriceh writes "Since Monday Dec. 7, the Microsoft eOpen license website has been mostly 'Down for Maintenance.' When we do not see this message, we still do not see most of the normal functionality. As this is Microsoft's main channel for managing and installing licenses for products such as Server, and for open license products for business, this makes the company effectively 'closed for business!' Attempts to connect to https://eopen.microsoft.com/ are redirected (after a bad certificate warning) to https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/sitemaintenance.html. For those who wish to activate Microsoft Business Solutions software need to obtain Software Registration keys, and these also can not be obtained, as the site http://www.microsoft.com/BusinessSolutions/MBSRegistration does not resolve; instead one gets a Microsoft Search page. Telephone calls to their support numbers for the licensing program yield either busy signals, or a message saying one should 'call back later.'"

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  1. Maybe it was running Vista... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    and they are trying to upgrade it to XP instead...

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    1. Re:Maybe it was running Vista... by ciaohound · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... and they can't get the software registration key because the site is down!

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    2. Re:Maybe it was running Vista... by runyonave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe they had a problem with Genuine Advantage. Are they using Genuine Microsoft software?

    3. Re:Maybe it was running Vista... by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 4, Informative

      There has been a notification in BIG RED LETTERS on the eOpen site since October saying they were going to shut it down on 12-7. Maybe someone didn't get the memo about the upcoming stampede?

      -ellie

    4. Re:Maybe it was running Vista... by ubersoldat2k7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      By now they are probably booting a Ubuntu LiveCD

    5. Re:Maybe it was running Vista... by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As it turns out, my comment was premature. The site that is supposed to replace the eOpen site is broken. You can manage agreements or keys, but downloads aren't working.

      $64 Moebius Question: Is it broken because of slashdot or slashdotted because it is broken?

  2. Extended chistmas hollidy by the_arrow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't worry, they will be back a couple of weeks after new year!

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    1. Re:Extended chistmas hollidy by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Informative

      The site, or portions thereof, are down damned near every time I go to use it. Microsoft's own web services suck very badly.

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  3. Time for some free software zealotry... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do I even need to rant, or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem?

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    1. Re:Time for some free software zealotry... by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Proprietary software is not the problem. Proprietary software whose functionality requires a given service to be infallible is the problem.

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    2. Re:Time for some free software zealotry... by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I meant that the problem is not caused by the fact that the software is proprietary. Yes, if it were open, it'd be easier to fix, but the original problem of failing services would still exist.

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    3. Re:Time for some free software zealotry... by Sarten-X · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, because I'd expect the server to have some sort of data storage, which could still get corrupted. Perhaps a major flaw was discovered in the server software itself. The problem is obviously something big, that simply looking elsewhere won't fix.

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    4. Re:Time for some free software zealotry... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do I even need to rant, or does the story make it clear why proprietary software is a problem?

      This sounds like a trick question, but I'm not sure which answer I'm supposed to give.

    5. Re:Time for some free software zealotry... by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Proprietary software whose functionality requires a given service to be infallible is the problem

      and just two stories down is another article telling how MS let a cert expire now and it's causing software written in 2003 to lock users out... MS is just flush with examples of this flawed concept today...

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    6. Re:Time for some free software zealotry... by dkf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In this case, yes. But a 100% open service whose functionality required a given (open) server to work wouldn't be affected: just change the server and you're back.

      Depends on the nature of the service. If it involves large amounts of data and wasn't already set up to replicate the data to a backup system, bringing things back up (whether or not you've got the source code) might be very difficult simply because people don't just want the service itself, but they also want the state embodied by the service. After all, if you had a NAS box with lots of data on it, you wouldn't be able to bring the service provided by it back up just by plugging a new NAS box in. You'd still need to copy the files across, and if the old NAS is down and you've not been backing up properly, you're in trouble. The OS on the NAS boxes (or on the client systems) doesn't matter at all for that fundamental truth.

      Services aren't software. Open source software can still form a closed ecosystem (a lot of Linux desktops feel rather that way) and an open ecosystem need not use any OSS. Of course, best of all is when there is an open ecosystem (so people can use anything they want) and OSS is full part of that ecosystem; the open software acts as an insurance against people trying to close things off, and sets a baseline that the closed providers have to do better than.

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  4. I support Microsoft by For+a+Free+Internet · · Score: 5, Funny

    The rest of the internet is like a sweatshop-slavery conditions! No time off not even on Chrismiss! But Microsoft allows the interent to take a vacations with its family and frineds in this holiday season, which promotes social justice and peace.

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  5. Re:global conspiracy by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hardware distribution is an entirely different and far more complicated matter, you need sufficient manufacturing capacity, combined with sufficient supply of the source components... Any of these failing will cause significant delays, a single tiny part being in short supply can scupper your entire production run.

    Software on the other hand, once you have one copy distributing more is trivial.

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  6. It's a bad week for Microsoft... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess they were too busy trying to fix this problem?

    [insert a whole bunch of DRM schadenfreude here]

  7. Take these failures as a warning! by xmundt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Greetings and Salutations.
              This is the last of a number of massive infrastructure failures in the past few months. The issues with Gmail, T-Mobile, SwissDisk, etc and this should be a warning that the computing infrastructure is becoming baroquely fragile. Fragility and unreliability in the basic tools necessary to keep a business running are hard to deal with in good economic times. With the current, VERY stressed situation, it could easily cause marginal businesses to go toes up, throwing many more people out of work, and having a ripple effect that pushes hundreds of other support businesses closer to the edge.
              I would suggest that, instead of the creeping featuritis that has been so popular with software for the past decade that the focus should change towards making the foundations more secure, and, less likely to fail. Among other things, this WOULD require stopping this insane focus on having software "phone home" all the time, and, fail if it is unable to contact the appropriate servers. Another big step would be to focus back on quality of software rather than flashy features. There really should be no reason today for a piece of software to be exploited by a simple buffer overflow. The principles of excellent programming have been known and studied for 50 or more years now, and, should be fairly well understood. You MIGHT have heard of this fellow by the name of Knuth...he has said a thoughtful thing or two on the subject, and, it might well be worth reading some of his writings.
                More later
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    1. Re:Take these failures as a warning! by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      But what will the marketing departments do, if they can't show off the shiny buttons?

      What will happen to all the unthinking programmers who can't muster anything better than a sliding panel?

      What will happen to the hardware market when a 2ghz computer can actually do a thousand times the productive work of a 2mhz machine from the 1980s?

      What will happen to our economy then? It's bad enough as it is. Can't you see that being intelligent will only make it worse?

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  8. New licensing portal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a Microsoft reseller, we received notification on Tuesday Dec 8th that eOpen is supposed to be gone and replaced with:
    www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/
    Of course this new link doesn't work either, but at least we know that the eOpen portal itself not working is intentional.

    1. Re:New licensing portal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      same - I've known through the eOpen portal itself since November 1 that the site is no longer going to "exist" as of 8th Dec. So to all the MS bashers - the site going down has been public knowledge for well over a month.

      The new one not working is a separate issue. GG failed migration.

  9. Oh give them a break. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

    It isn't like they are a technology company or something.

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  10. eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC by UnifiedTechs · · Score: 4, Informative

    eOpen was closed on december 6th and replaced by VLSC (Volume Licensing Service Center) at the following link: https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/home.aspx

    Morte info can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/existing-customers/manage-my-agreements.aspx

    The VLSC site also appears to be down now, but maybe the swap is taking longer then planned or they are working out a bug on the week old site.

    Not saying Microsoft doesn't screw up, but lets get all the facts, eOpen is closed for good and has been replaced.

    1. Re:eOpen was replaced on the 6th with VLSC by Sxooter · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hate to comment on my own post, but I just found out that another service window for the VLSC site was planned on the 12th, it actually states that in the second link I posted below. Anyone in IT will tell you a weekend outage lasting into Monday morning is not a basis for front page news.

      I don't know about you but I'd probably be out looking for a job if the sites I run were down on open of business monday morning.

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  11. One thing which hasn't been mentioned yet by jimicus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft are trying to rationalise how their licensing works. Historically, they've had a myriad of different websites you had to use depending on if you have an Open Subscription License, an Open Value License, an MSDN license or a license that you made up yourself with a box of magic markers and a sheet of paper.

    They're certainly trying to merge Subscription and Open Value right now - I recently purchased a few licenses on the OVS plan (the website for which is being shut down) and I'm having trouble accessing them on the "new" system.

    This isn't another "gosh how fragile everything is" story. This is a bog standard "some f*ckwit decided to go live with the new system without testing it properly" story. The only eyebrow-raising part is that you would expect Microsoft to have a whole brace of plan Bs in place at the drop of a hat for just such an occurrence.

  12. Re:nitpick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And while we are at it, where is your open tag?

  13. Separating like bad velcro by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The new one not working is a separate issue.

    This is madness. You can't say "Oh well they were always going to shut down on this date" without an implied "the new server will be active". It's not separate in any way, the old server going down and the new server coming up were linked events, the new server being a precondition for the old to vanish.

    Unless you were saying it makes any kind of sense to adhere to deadlines and damn the customers?

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  14. It was useless anyway by myxiplx · · Score: 4, Informative

    As one of their ideal customers, we used to make a lot of use of eOpen. We registered all our licences on there, and it was nice, a single portal to track all of our Microsoft licences and upgrade rights.

    Then we left it without logging on for a while (after all, it was all working fine), and the next time we tried to use it we discovered Microsoft had wiped *ALL* of our licence information that we had painstakingly entered into their site.

    Turns out that they linked the accounts to Live, and that your account expires if you don't use it for 90 days.

    Handy that for corporate account licence management, and strangely enough we haven't used it since.

    1. Re:It was useless anyway by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Same shit happened to pretty much all of my clients. I've been insisting that people keep all of their licensing info registered so that they have an easy off-site access point in addition to their regular documentation backups, to keep it "safe" and quick to get at - and after all where better then the very vendor who insists on all that activation and serial number crap, surely they will appreciate their customer's efforts! Even if it is a truly vile de-facto monopolist vendor such as Microsoft ... but then again I guess not.

      Naturally, half of them lost their own copies and so now any and all changes involving license codes are pretty much foobar until Microsoft finds its ass-hole again, utilizing the provided flood lights, both of its hands, the hands of 32-part-time contractors, a radar-ass-hole-finder, an ass-hole-finding map and an "Idiot's Guide To Telling Your Ass-hole Apart From a Hole In the Ground". Hopefully sometime before 2012 rolls around.

      On the other hand it has served as perfect example to point to when demonstrating the dangers of "licensing" combined with single-vendor-dependency, irrespective of how "popular" and "gigantic" that vendor is, to pointy-haired management.

  15. Re:No, all cases without a license server by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Informative

    This site isn't really a "license server" in the way that it sounds like you mean though. I use this site once in awhile myself as we have volume licenses through Microsoft. You go to the site to download software (then you have a copy and can use it without downloading again). You also go there for your volume keys. These are keys like a KMS (Key Management Server ) key. Once you have that, you can install as many copies as you want. Or, if you choose to use the MAK (Multiple Activation Key) - those are typically good for 5,000 or so activations. They don't activate against THIS site, so until you run out of activations on your key and need another key you don't need this site. Smaller companies get keys with less activations and may have 100, 500, 1000, etc. on their MAK key.

  16. Fixed at last by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

    oh, wait, just got slashdotted