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New Zealand Reintroduces 3 Strikes Law

An anonymous reader writes "The New Zealand government has reintroduced a newly rewritten addition to the Copyright Act which will allow rights' holders to send copyright notices to ISPs, and force them to pass them on to account holders. Section 92A of the Copyright Act will allow rights holders to take people who have been identified as infringers more than three times in front of a Copyright Tribunal. This law will allow the Copyright Tribunal to hand down either a $15,000 fine or six months internet disconnection. The law specifies that the account holder himself is responsible for what is downloaded via the account, and doesn't make allowances for identifying the actual copyright infringer if there are multiple computers tied to an account."

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  1. Aw, piss. by adolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    There goes any hope of migrating to New Zealand once I become financially independent.

    1. Re:Aw, piss. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wouldn't give up on NZ so easily. The place does have its moments.

    2. Re:Aw, piss. by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, I think this is one of their moments. Considering the Draconian punishments in most other civilized countries for copyright infringement, this is very reasonable. 3 warnings, then you go to jail and at most have to pay 15,000... which is about 1/100th of what US courts are handing out?

      I read the article and all it specifies is for "copying material". Does that mean uploading, or also downloading, or what? What if it is for downloading?

      We have become so accustomed to think copyrighted material = songs or movies. How many times do we stop to think that web page we're looking at, with 20 different .gifs or .jpegs might be a violation? Are those lolcat pictures properly licensed? If I email a few, will I be in violation of the distribution part?

      And what about text?

      This is what is so insane of copyright, and specifically of criminalizing it. Because it makes 99.999% of the populace guilty, and then it's purely up to the state to use it on a person when they feel like it. 3 strikes and you're out of you mind if you think this is a fair deal. Fuck you, I'd rather live in a free and open society, not one where the next step is to consider libraries copyright thieves for providing a copymachine near the books.

      Honestly, this legislation is but a foot in the door. MPAA and RIAA rather not waste their own resources with civil trials, they'd rather waste the taxpayer's resources to prosecute people and put the fear in them, the populace's own money used against them. What a load.

    3. Re:Aw, piss. by Smegly · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh don't worry. THEY will lobby/bribe 3 strikes laws into existence pretty much everywhere.

      Know your enemy. "THEY" are the International Intelectual Property Alliance (IIPA), and they have the full political clout of the US government behind them - working to subvert democratic process in just about every country in the world via three strikes/no presumption of innocence for the sheeple. As one small example of many, check out their recent "report" on Spain. Witness the resulting political clout and of course, the result they were after with local laws against P2P. Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world - not so easy to boss around if unwilling to cooperate. UK, France appear to be more than happy to bend over for IIPA without any fight - at least Spain managed to keep judicial process in the loop, for now at least.
      All of it does not bode well for tiny countries like NZ that do not stand much chance against combined international coercion from the "IIPA Club".

    4. Re:Aw, piss. by Smegly · · Score: 3, Informative

      P.S Here is the motivation behind this law, it was a done deal at least by March 4, 2009. From the Lions mouth (under New Zealand): "IIPA testifies in support of the initiation of negotiations for a Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement (TPP FTA) with Singapore, Chile, New Zealand, Brunei Darussalam, Australia, Peru and Vietnam." PDF Link.
      So there you go. This is at least part of the entry fee NZ used for this trade agreement. What coercion did IIPA use on Singapore, Chile, Brunei Darussalam, Australia, Peru and Vietnam? Check for yourself if you dare... but don't expect anything pretty.

    5. Re:Aw, piss. by Smegly · · Score: 3, Informative

      "IIPA testifies in support of the initiation of negotiations for a Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement (TPP FTA) with Singapore, Chile, New Zealand, Brunei Darussalam, Australia, Peru and Vietnam." PDF Link.

      From IIPA's blessing for NZ on the trade agreement: "Specific problems in some of the TPP countries are outlined in the Special 301 reports from 2009 for Chile, Peru, Brunei, and Vietnam".

      Where "specific problems" mean: No three strikes laws, no trade deal.

      Cue slashdot posting "Chile/Peru/Brunei/Vietnam introduces 3 Strikes Law" in 3...2....

      Resistance is futile.

    6. Re:Aw, piss. by ArundelCastle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather live in a free and open society, not one where the next step is to consider libraries copyright thieves for providing a copymachine near the books.

      Libraries feel the same way, and they're way ahead of you. :) www.accesscopyright.ca

      The concern becomes what movement pushes bulk copyright licensing into unmanageable territory. Many content owners don't care for it, the same way they don't care for libraries. (Despite the fact they are extremely likely to have made use of libraries in their formative years, that enabled them to become professional content owners. Capitalism has no taste for irony.)

  2. Better than the UK by IBBoard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the face of it, this at least looks better than the UK law. Over here they want to make it three accusations and you're out. At least the New Zealand law is back up by due process and has to be done by a tribunal.

    On the down side, I guess it is tied to the account owner rather than the person who did it, which could lead to parents taking the punishment because of their kids.

    1. Re:Better than the UK by holloway · · Score: 5, Informative
      Hi folks, I'm a New Zealander who's been following this law as part of an organisation called the Creative Freedom Foundation (I don't know what I can do to prove my credentials to an international audience... er, lowish /. id#?) Anyway here's the gist of the new proposal,
      • People are innocent until proven guilty either by the Copyright Tribunal or the courts.
      • Termination can only be ordered by the courts, not the Copyright Tribunal
      • No special sanctions on right holders for false or malicious allegations.
      • Penalties of up to $15,000 may be awarded by the Copyright Tribunal. This is in keeping with the maximum of the Disputes Tribunal.
      • The courts have existing maximum fines that are already established under the Copyright Act.
      • New definition for ISP that is narrower and excludes organisations such as businesses and universities. Too early to tell what this means for shared connections such as internet cafes, open WiFi, etc.
      • It says "right holders will pay a fee per notice" although as regulations not set might be premature to read too much into that. This is as opposed to a process that allowed many notices on a flat-rate for rights-holders.
      • No resolution to the overlap with s92C disputes. As outlined in our submission s92C lacks a counternotice procedure and due process. Further due to technology changes there may be no functional difference between an s92C or s92A dispute.
      • Privacy is maintained by anonymizing details until a verdict is reached by the tribunal.

      It's not a conventional "3 strike" process which is based on Guilt Upon Accusation, this is a tribunal system (as you asked, an extension of the existing Copyright Tribunal) to deal with copyright infringement online. If you have any questions about this let me know. Cheers.

    2. Re:Better than the UK by holloway · · Score: 2, Informative

      One: What is this "tribunal" like?

      It's like New Zealand's Disputes Tribunal.

      Who calls the shots? Who is in it?

      It's a new division of the existing Copyright Tribunal which is a government-run body, but it will need new staff. The existing head of the Copyright Tribunal is Susy Frankel, who you can learn more about here.

      How is it different than a regular court?

      The Copyright Tribunal, like the Disputes Tribunal, is a lighter-weight process than a court but it has considerably fewer sanctions available (tribunals at a maximum can go to $15k, whereas courts can go to millions). Read more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_New_Zealand#Judiciary

    3. Re:Better than the UK by holloway · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also is it about uploading or downloading?

      It's about copyright infringement on an internet connection, so to answer your question: both. The process is based on taking someone to tribunal for what their internet connection was used for. It's a basic court-like system, where if you're accused of infringement you defend yourself with whatever evidence you have that what you did was acceptable or that. In that respect it's like most trial systems that have a presumption of innocence but an obligation to defend yourself. As for your specific example of the difficulty of telling whether the content you're getting is legal I agree that's a problem. I don't really see a way around that though. Proprietary licenses are notoriously difficult to understand in comparison to Creative Common's use of icons. The only thing I can say is that this new proposal is a judgment interpreted by people who you can reason with and explain that it wasn't intentional. Just so you know, the ISPs aren't inspecting traffic.

  3. Time a truly anonymous network for P2P by AbRASiON · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does this exist yet? We need a truly anonymous network for P2P transactions, even if it is slower, being free would be nice too.
    (although sadly, I can imagine our pals the kiddie porn crew making use of it and having whatever it is, outlawed)

    1. Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, the point of such a thing would be that it is not possible to ban/detect without also banning any and all VPN, HTTPS, TLS and other "legit" Internet traffic. A properly designed successor to BitTorrent, Gnutella, Usenet, Freenet and Tor would by definition require banning of the whole Internet to stop it.

      Not that the villains known as politicians and "lawmakers" won't eventually try that too, this whole actual (as opposed to being-paid-pompous-lip-service-to-but-in-practice-next-to-impossible) "freedom of information" basic-element-of-democracy thing has been a thorn in their sides from the get go. They and similarly interested big-media and big "entertainment" mega-corps would like their control of the narrative back, thank you very much, even if it somehow involves our dead bodies as one of the steps to get there. And the sooner we get to the ammo-boxes stage of the "boxes-of-change" sequence the more likely things will be decided one way or the other for better or worse, this of course amongst many other pending outrages and societal devolutions that have been galloping ahead of late heading in the same general direction of utter tyrannical dystopia or general bloodshed.

    2. Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is merely a presentation/technical problem. One can design a system whereby even though data is travelling through and being stored by nodes, at no point in time that data by itself can be used to reconstruct "child porn", "intellectual property", "bomb plans" (or in fact anything meaningful at all). One has to specifically instruct one's node to obtain the complete set from other nodes to be able to even tell what the contents is (outside of completely independent process of labelling, search and indexing).

      In this way no one can whine that his/her computer is "being used to store child porn without permission" and so the excuse is gone. This in fact is one of critical flaws in Freenet's design that such a claim cannot be made - the node stores encrypted chunks of whatever files are there and theoretically it is possible to reconstruct sufficiently meaningful parts of movies or images from them on their own without other nodes being needed, Freenet's design was not intended to guarantee that no reconstruction of any kind is possible of the contents not specifically requested by the node's operator.

      But this is solvable in a number of ways and it is only a matter of time when a system with this and many other needed features will appear. More draconian the political Witch Hunts, faster it will happen.

    3. Re:Time a truly anonymous network for P2P by moz25 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dear Courageous Coward,

      Paying content creators is fine and honorable. I do it and I like to do it as it encourages them to create more.

      Paying people who exploit content creators and lobby for draconian and unpractical laws is not.

      Thank you,

      Arrogant Thievin' Cunts.

  4. $15,000NZ is just the maximum by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually the $15,000NZ and the six month disconnection are just the maximums the Copyright Tribunal can hand down. The summary makes it seem like they are the default judgements: they aren't. Rights holders will need to prove that they were damaged severly to get awarded this. Really, the maximum penalty of $15,000NZ for effectively three infringements is tiny compared to judgements in the US against people like Jammie Thomas.

    As much as I despise three strikes laws like this, at least this legislation has judicial oversight and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. As I understand, there will be a fee associated fo lodging and infringement notice, so it won't be a free for all for the MPAA or RIAA (or their NZ counterparts). However, penalties for false notices haven't been addressed yet, although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.

    1. Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I understand, there will be a fee associated fo lodging and infringement notice, so it won't be a free for all for the MPAA or RIAA (or their NZ counterparts).

      Ensuring that it's mainly useful for large corporations rather than any smaller artists.

      at least this legislation has judicial oversight

      With fundamentally unethical laws like this judicial oversight doesn't make up for it, and the lack of democratic and social foundation for the laws invalidates their existence.

      It's become obvious that the disastrous abomination of a legal experiment called 'copyright' needs to be completely abolished to protect a free and open society. The corrupting influence it has on courts and politics simply isn't possible to tolerate in a civilized society.

    2. Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum by holloway · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Mblockquote>although organisations like the Creative Freedom Foundation are pushing to have this addressed before it becomes law.

      Thanks for helping spread the word NimbleSquirrel :) (I'm from the CFF) See my other post in this thread for a bullet point of the issues that surround the new proposal.

    3. Re:$15,000NZ is just the maximum by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ensuring that it's mainly useful for large corporations rather than any smaller artists.

      Even the maximum fine is going to be quite trivial for a major corporation and can you really see a broadcaster, record or movie company being taken off the Internet for 6 hours, let alone 6 months, how ever much copyright infringement they get up to?

  5. wut? by sifRAWR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why did I find out about this via slashdot before I find out via local news? Government thinking of telling people? Or am I actually under a rock. (Entirely possible however.)

  6. I wonder... by foxtyke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since they don't care about _who_ actually downloaded the content only who owns the account and pays the bill for the ISP, could you not use this law against innocent people or as a weapon of choice against your enemies by tapping their wireless networks to download your torrents and media?

    I propose that everyone in NZ goes out and cracks every wireless network they can and do just that, show them the backwards thinking of not caring about going after the actual infringing party but the account owner.

  7. Re:Seems to be 4 strikes? by addsalt · · Score: 2, Funny

    On a related note, how does a "three strikes" law really make sense in non baseball cultures? Wouldn't it make more sense to have soccer (football) focused countries have a "two card" law (yellow warning then a red ejection)?

  8. Re:Seems to be 4 strikes? by daid303 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceedest on to three. Five is right out." - Amen

  9. Re:Seems to be 4 strikes? by Swampash · · Score: 2, Funny

    A soccer equivalent would probably be something like "if the record company detects an infringing download, a representative will fall to the floor screaming, rolling from side to side in agony, clutching his face with his hands, until a charge is laid; at that point the record company representative will stand up and go about his business".

  10. Re:Horribly biased, unfair legislation by kenshin33 · · Score: 2, Informative

    add to this the fact that right holder is not necessarily the author. And the authors are as fucked as the rest.

  11. Re:Horribly biased, unfair legislation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "(*) Work is something that you produce in return for renumeration, once you move out of your parents' basement." ...and therein lies your FAIL. You do not even know what work is, which does not come as a suprise.

    Work is actually something you do, not something you produce. Something may be produced as a result of work, but it is not itself, work.

    You see, this is the problem with people like yourself, you believe it's acceptable to do a small amount of work to produce something, and then profit off that small amount of work indefinitely without actually doing any real work afterwards, or at least doing so infrequently. You believe that you shouldn't have to do much work but everyone else who does actually work for a living should pay for your lazy lifestyle, you believe they should pay for an amount of work you did some time ago and have already been paid for many times over. No, what you want, is to be paid for doing a little work initially, and then get paid for not doing any work thereafter, you are a scourge on society.

    Don't try and pretend the people on the side of strong copyright are the hard working ones and the pirates are not, that's bollocks. The hard workers are the pirates who do not see why they should have to work 37hrs a week, 5 days a week, every week, so you can work for a few weeks every few years and do nothing in between, living off your copyright.

    If people are pirating your work, then, cry more, do some work they can't pirate, provide a service- sing live, perform continued development or whatever it is you do, actually work for a living.