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Texas County Will Use Twitter To Publish Drunk Drivers' Names

alphadogg contributes this snippet from Network World: "If you get busted for drunk driving in Montgomery County, Texas, this holiday season, your neighbors may hear about it on Twitter. That's because the local district attorney's office has decided to publish the names of those charged with driving while intoxicated between Christmas and New Year's Eve. County Vehicular Crimes Prosecutor Warren Diepraam came up with the idea as a way of discouraging residents from getting behind the wheel while drunk. 'It's not a magic bullet that's going to end DWIs, but it's something to make people think twice before they get behind the wheel of a car and drive while they're intoxicated,' he said."

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  1. Oh. by Adambomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..

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    1. Re:Oh. by Suki+I · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how will they compensate anyone wrongfully put on that feed for the damage to their reputation? The Court of Public Opinion can be brutal about these things, especially when they work in HR somewhere..

      They typically ignore their own mistakes and make others pay for them.

    2. Re:Oh. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that's the potential offenders' own fault. They really shouldn't have been suspicious in Texas.

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    3. Re:Oh. by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most likely your boss wouldn't tell you that he fired you because your name was on the list. He'd fire you "because he doesn't need you any longer" or "because times are tough" or whatever. He might not give a reason at all in an at-will state.

      So, unless you could somehow prove that your name being on the list was the real reason (maybe he tells somebody this and it gets back to you), good luck doing anything about it.

      Ditto for people with photos of them doing stupid things on the web - you're not going to get a call from a future employer saying "well, your interviews went well but we thought that the photo of the tattoo on your butt was a bit tacky" - you'll get a call saying "thanks for interviewing but you were not selected."

  2. "Innocent until proven guilty" by seifried · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess it's gone out of fashion. Sad.

    1. Re:"Innocent until proven guilty" by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Insightful
      First off, you can bet cops will have pull to not be published. Second off, you're kind of asinine/assholey {ass-something, perhaps hat...}... What if you're having a diabetic seizure and mistakenly reported as drunk? Later you can't get employed because archive.org has a copy of this tweet that will never go away. Innocent until proven guilty exists for a reason. Punitive dicks like you want to mess up the balance in favor of casting a few innocent people into your safety net. Oh, and in case you think nothing happens to diabiets, eat it: http://delicious.com/clintjcl/diabetics

      That's just one example. Rest assured there are more, and there are things we haven't thought of. In many jurisdictions you can be charged without a breathalyzer.

      Think things never go wrong with the DUI process? Here's some more links to think about: http://delicious.com/clintjcl/dui. I especially like the forceful catherization of your penis because a breathalyze showed no DUI. But in your world, you'd permanently mar these people, guilty or not. Have fun with your fascist prictatorship.

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    2. Re:"Innocent until proven guilty" by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except these people haven't 'mowed down three people'. They haven't committed any other crime than driving under the influence. No children were hurt in the making of this tweet. No damage done. No insurance claims filed. They were simply caught driving under the influence.

      People here keep associating these people with murderers, referencing the M.A.D.D. folks, ad-nauseum. The simple truth, is that the only crime here is DUI until it isn't. This isn't pre-cog court. These folks most likely would have gone home, and no one would have been the wiser if they hadn't been pulled over. Were they pulled over for weaving? Perhaps because the cop camps outside of some winery? They are being treated as if they did hit and kill someone, when such a thing hasn't happened. They are being pre-judged due to every drunk driver who happened to cause some accident.

      This does nothing more than to prosecute these people in a public court, without a trial.

      My sister was killed in a jeep driven by a drunk driver. Did I hate the driver? Yes. Was it totally his fault? No. I later learned that a construction company failed to put up signs warning that the pavement was uneven due to resurfacing. Could he have avoided the accident if he hadn't been drinking? Who knows. I can't claim to know the future, or predict events. I can only judge the facts after they are known. Somehow I doubt this blog presents the facts that are heard in a trial. This blog won't prevent DUI. It simply serves some sick need for people to butt into other peoples business so that they can feel judgmental and holier than thou.

    3. Re:"Innocent until proven guilty" by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alcohol doesn't prevent the ability to handle situations, it impairs them. I think it's a good point to raise. These people were not arrested for DWI, they were arrested for DUI.

      The amount they were impaired isn't known other than a blood alcohol count, as it affects each person differently, but they are being judged as if they had just slaughtered someone with a car, which is obviously not the case.

      Are they innocent of a crime? No. Do they deserve to be punished in a public court for something far worse? No.

    4. Re:"Innocent until proven guilty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time you get in a car you endanger others, drinking or otherwise. Your implying that these people are all guilty of such a crime when it's obvious that all of them are not intoxicated. You would treat them like dangerous criminals.

  3. What? No Due Process? by hedgemage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I checked the article to be sure, and yep, it says that those CHARGED will have their names published on Twitter. So, even if you are found not guilty, you are going to be publicly named as a DUI offender before you even get a chance to clear your name.
    I'm not trying to excuse drunk drivers, but for some reason, its seen as ok to make those charged or convicted of DUIs out to be the scum of the earth, wantonly careening down the roadways, seeking out innocents to mow down, when in fact most people who get DUIs are just ordinary joes who made a bad decision while not in the best state of mind.
    The idea that it is somehow ok to humiliate people who are supposedly INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY seems like a prelude to a morality police state.

  4. Terrible Idea by 228e2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, im as against DUI as any sane person, but theres a law about cruel and unusual punishment.

    You cant publicly scorn someone for doing Unlawful Deed A and not for B, C and D.

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    1. Re:Terrible Idea by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You cant publicly scorn someone for doing Unlawful Deed A and not for B, C and D.

      Why not? The arrest is a public record.
      I, for one, look forward to the day that police put their arrest archives online, in an easily searchable format, with mugshots.
      Information wants to be free.

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  5. COPS TV show features drunk drivers by lena_10326 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But the difference is, they blur the faces of those who haven't been found guilty (yet). They are also a news organization with no legal power, but this is a police (military) organization. These police are assuming guilt for anyone merely charged, so I suppose it's natural for them to also apply punishment.

    A few years in the future when the police will be scouring the streets performing judgments and executions on the spot, I'm afraid it will be too late for anyone to do anything about our lost rights. By then the court system will be a rarely used dusty relic of the past.

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  6. Good idea by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because we all check twitter feeds containing nothing but hundreds of random names on the off-chance that someone we know has been drink driving.

  7. That's not the law though is it. by CountBrass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's not the law though is it and the police have proved many times they're not above faking the evidence. The police and the CPS or DA (or local equivalent) are biased, they have an incentive to get convictions, so I certainly wouldn't want them acting as judge as well.

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    1. Re:That's not the law though is it. by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not the law though is it and the police have proved many times they're not above faking the evidence. The police and the CPS or DA (or local equivalent) are biased, they have an incentive to get convictions,

      In some cases it appears to have been more "important" to convict someone than to find the "right" person. On the police side the incentive may be more to arrest as many people as possible.

  8. Your grandkids will love it! by sosume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In a hundred years, your grand-grand-grand kids will have fun googling their ancestry and finding that they were driving under influence ...
      nowait - doesn't the DA know that the internet never forgets? That anyone can find this informatiuon by just googling someone's name?
    "Hello i'm here for the job interview"- "Oh I see you had a DUI 32 years ago .. sorry we can't employ convicts here"

  9. Re:Just one question... by pitterpatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course a person can be charged with drunk driving if they haven't had anything to drink. Reasons for this might include, but will not be limited to:

    1. Evil cops (not likely, IMO, but definitely possible).

    2. Deluded cops (more likely, but still a stretch).

    3. Overzealous cops, particularly if you're exhibiting something that looks like inebriated behavior but isn't; for example, several neurological conditions can cause you to have slurred speech or an unsteady gait but still be fine to drive.

    4. Getting framed by an enemy.

    5. Being acquainted with Ashton Kutcher.

    In addition, as several posters have already pointed out, a person can be charged with drunk driving if they haven't actually driven and are not going to drive.

    I'd be fine with capital punishment for people convicted of causing an accident while driving drunk, but I'm a little uneasy about draconian punishments for those who haven't actually caused damage yet, and I'm adamantly opposed to punishment of people without due process. To me, publishing names of arrestees is punishment without due process.

  10. Re:What? No Due Process? by RichardJenkins · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People aren't guilty of DWI until they are convicted - they're a drunk driver the moment they drive while pissed.

    Considering that this policy has the potential to harm innocent people, it should really come with a sensible plan to monitor its effectiveness, and to monitor its unintended side effects.

    If it doesn't do any good, or if it screws up too many innocent people lives; there should be figures to show it.

  11. And the cops beat me during the arrest... by denalione · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think anyone in this district who interacts with law enforcement should twitter accusations of police brutality and prosecutorial malfeasance.

    I mean, as long as were making public unproven allegations both sides should suffer the same consequences.

  12. "charged with"? by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if they publish names of people that are only *charged*, it needs to be stopped and those responsible put in jail. While it is technically public record, there is no need to broadcast a persons name just due to suspicion and would just end up ruining peoples lives for nothing.

    Now, if they want to publish people *convicted*, and the story just used the wrong term, more power too them.

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  13. Re:things have changed re drunk driving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice to know that "not accidentally killing someone" is 3rd on your list of reasons to not drive drunk. Or maybe the word I'm looking for is sociopathic.

  14. Contempt for human life? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Getting behind the wheel while drunk shows a fundamental contempt for human life.

    Now, I don't drive, so take what I say with the amount of salt you deem necessary. I do get on my bicycle after partying, though.

    When I'm drunk, I'm not particularly thinking that my actions may kill someone. I also don't think I've ever harmed anyone (including myself) in traffic, and in all the dangerous situations I've been in, I think I acted prudently before ending up in that situation (I'm not saying "it's their fault!"---sometimes bad things just happen even though everybody is acting responsibly).

    Now, suppose you drive, and your traffic danger history sounds similar to mine. Are you really going to entertain the likelihood of you harming or killing people?

    If the though "I might harm someone" never enters your mind, are you really showing a contempt for human life?

    It's a different thing to think "I might harm someone" and then not follow through on that thought (the next thought might be "how likely is that?"; not asking that question, or ignoring that answer, that might be contempt).

  15. Re:the problem is the public's attitude by partofthepuzzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before you give me the argument that you need a roof over your head more than you need a fair and just employer, the only reason for the power imbalance is so many people like you fearing the loss of little comfort.

    Tell that to your kids when you're living in a shelter! Many people (along with their families) who get fired or not hired via the scenario you described, are facing a lot more than than the loss of "little comfort"? In a severely depressed job market, job loss can very realistically lead to not having a place to live and while I agree that it's important to assert our legal rights, the survival of one's family is not a trivial consideration.