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NASA Mars Rover Spirit May Move Forward By Spinning Its Wheels

coondoggie writes "As NASA celebrates its Mars rover Spirit's sixth anniversary exploring the red planet, it is hunting for a way to keep the machine, which is mired in a sand trap, alive to see a seventh year. On its Web site, the space agency this week noted there may indeed be such an option. That option would be spinning the wheels on the north side of Spirit, letting it dig in deeper in the Martian sand but at the same time improving the tilt of the rover's solar panels toward the Sun."

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  1. Incredibly silly headline by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 5, Funny

    That ranks up there with "People kept alive by breathing."

    1. Re:Incredibly silly headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Spinning its wheels" is technically what wheeled vehicles do while in motion, but idiomatically, it refers to wheelspin on sand/snow/etc. that doesn't result in forward/backward motion. It's commonly used as a metaphor for futile action, and so when the literal case turns out to be beneficial, the result is a mildly amusing headline. To use your example, it's more like "people kept alive by breathing water", in that it's the opposite of what you'd expect.

    2. Re:Incredibly silly headline by mea37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree, except you also have to realize that they're using "move forward" idiomatically, in that this idea may keep the rover functioning longer but will increase the chance that it is stationary for the remainder of its functional lifetime.

  2. HillBilly Engineering at its Finest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Floor it!

    1. Re:HillBilly Engineering at its Finest by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not fully versed in the hillbilly vernacular, but I believe the appropriate idiom is "Give 'er".

  3. Re:Let's start digging then... by mea37 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, that is likely what would happen. What they're saying is, they may not be able to get the rover out, and if not this will provide the longest lifetime for observations from the now-stationary rover.

  4. Heh by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know what the solution to this problem is? Send more rovers. Lots more. If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow...

    1. Re:Heh by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know what? I'm not a NASA planetary exploration scientist, but that sounds like an interesting idea.

      Send rovers in pairs, each with half the instrumentation load, but tethered together by a cable. One gets stuck, the other pulls it out. Give the cable a release so if one rover dies, the other can continue with the remaining instruments.

    2. Re:Heh by CarlDenny · · Score: 4, Funny

      Except then you're putting all your eggs in one basket if there's a landslide that drags them both down, a sandstorm that prevents solar charging, or a problem on landing.

      Maybe if we sent up two identical rovers, but dropped them off independently at different points on the planet?

    3. Re:Heh by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You know what the solution to this problem is? Send more rovers. Lots more. If we had a spare rover near Spirit, we could probably have it roll over and give Spirit a tow..."

      We could afford to send MANY more unmanned missions (not to rescue other unmanned missions...yet) if we weren't spending a disproportionate amount of money on the romantic adventure of sending meat tourists into space. If the public want romance, let them fap to science fiction.

      We are wasting resources that could be advancing the vital robotic capabilities we REQUIRE ANYWAY to explore the universe.

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    4. Re:Heh by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of the key issues is having power enough to heat them in the winter.

      If the supposedly 'enlightened' greenies wouldn't raise a huge ruckus, the answer is to either alloy Gadolinium 148 into the frame or just have a block of it hanging around. It gives off a huge amount of heat, and essentially no radiation that would harm the rover (it's one of the few strong pure alpha-emitting isotopes).

      A fascinating paper on powering medical implants with radionuclides states:

      A ~0.2 kg block of pure Gd148 (~1 in^3) initially yields ~120 watts, sufficient in theory to meet the complete basal power needs of an entire human body for ~1 century (given suitable nucleochemical energy conversion and load buffering mechanisms, and a sufficiently well-divided structure).

      Also from that paper, an amazingly small sphere of Gd 148 can power small implants:

      Among all gamma-free alpha-only emitters with t1/2 > 10^6 sec, the highest volumetric power density is available using Gd148 (gadolinium) which a-decays directly to Sm144 (samarium), a stable rare-earth isotope. A solid sphere of pure Gd148 (~7900 kg/m3) of radius r = 95 microns surrounded by a 5-micron thick platinum shield (total device radius R = 100 microns) and a thin polished silver coating of emissivity er = 0.02 suspended in vacuo would initially maintain a constant temperature T2 (far from a surface held at T1 = 310 K) of [ 600 K ] with a 75-year half-life, initially generating 17 microwatts of thermal power which can be converted to 8 microwatts of mechanical power by a Stirling engine operating at ~50% efficiency.

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    5. Re:Heh by Abstrackt · · Score: 2

      Maybe if we sent up two identical rovers, but dropped them off independently at different points on the planet?

      NASA's going to need a pretty long cable for that.

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    6. Re:Heh by az26er · · Score: 2, Funny

      In English, Carter...

    7. Re:Heh by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We've managed to land several rovers on Mars. How many Martian rovers have landed on Earth? Zero. I suggest that our missile defenses are quite adequate.

  5. Re:Let's start digging then... by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative
    The difference is that winter is coming, and the sun gets low on the horizon. We can, if we chose, dig in on one side so that we tilt toward the sun, which means that we will get more solar energy, and so the solar powered rover will survive the winter.

    (We've tilted the rover into the sun every winter so far-- if we don't, this will be the first winter we've tried to survive without tilting into the sun)

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  6. And one should add by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The rover was designed for a 90 day mission. If it made it to Mars operational, and was capable of operating for 90 (martian) days, the mission was a success. Here we are, years later and it is still working. It isn't as though this is a panic "Oh no we have to save the mission!" kind of thing. Rather, this is another step to see how long they can extend a tremendously successful mission. Even if the rover dies tomorrow, it will have far surpassed any expectations set for it.

    Also of note is that Opportunity, the other of the two rovers launched, is currently trucking along towards a crater they want to look at.

    1. Re:And one should add by selven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Was it really designed for 90 days? It could be that the only way they could sell it to Congress was if they told them that they only had to pay for technicians for 3 months.

    2. Re:And one should add by Osmosis_Garett · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, Opportunity is examining the damaged heat shield from re-entry, which it just arrived at the other day.

    3. Re:And one should add by CarlDenny · · Score: 3, Informative

      90 days may have been something of a lowball, but the expectation was that dust would accumulate on the rover's solar cells, gradually reducing their power output. Turns out, the dust wasn't as sticky as they thought, and the wind will blow it off on clearer days. That's a genuine discovery, and the main longevity boost. NASA can and have happily paid for a lot more ground crew and radio time for the little ladies.

    4. Re:And one should add by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Was it really designed for 90 days? It could be that the only way they could sell it to Congress was if they told them that they only had to pay for technicians for 3 months.

      Well, yes and no. The models suggested that the solar panels would be clogged up with dust so it'd be like a car with an empty gas tank, after 90 sols it'd be still in great condition but out of juice so that was the mission. In practice dust devils clear most of the dust, but noone knew that before they arrived. Perhaps some speculated and hoped, but certainly not knew or assumed. Nothing about the rover was intentionally limited to three months, though if they knew they'd be out there for many years I'm sure some design choices would have been different. But that's why we can send a second generation if and when these rovers finally kick the bucket.

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  7. Opportunity still going strong by CarlDenny · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because it was the first thing I wanted to know, Spirit's twin Opportunity is still going strong and puttering around a rock called Marqeutte Island. So regardless of how Spirit pans out, there's a really good shot at seeing year 8 of the Mars Rover 90 day mission.

    http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status_opportunity.html

  8. Proof of the tenacity and ingenuity of humanity by preaction · · Score: 5, Insightful

    7 years ago we put together a robot designed to survive a journey off of our own planet (secured to a fireball), through the vacuum of space (oxygen-breathing life need not apply), land on another planet (falling from miles above the surface) about which little is known (and nothing about the proper tire to use in a martian dust-pit). This tiny robot was hoped to survive for 90 days. It has survived for more than 2,500 days. This tiny moment of reflection brought to you by the You Really Are Alive In A Great Period of History Foundation.

  9. Re:Let's start digging then... by scottdmontreal · · Score: 3, Informative

    With a top speed of 5 cm per second, it won't be throwing much of a cloud of dust.

  10. Re:liquid methane oceans... by CdBee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wouldnt the problem be the inverse of that on earth? IE you need oxygen to do anything useful with methane in the same way you need a flammable or reactive substance to do anything useful with oxygen.. ?

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  11. Re:Let's start digging then... by sopssa · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Earth it wouldn't, but it's a different matter in space. The dust wont be falling down but just flow all around the rover, since theres no gravity.

  12. Re:Let's start digging then... by Golddess · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a natural 2, no mods have given it a point (as of now).

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  13. Ok, people... by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone who has a comment on how the Rovers should have been designed differenty;

    Everyone who has a comment on how the teams should have better ways to deal with this problem;

    Everyone who has a comment on how the mission could have gone better;

    Everyone who has a comment on how there must be a better way;

    Shup Up. Now.

    The 90-day mission is looing forward to its 8th YEAR. We have received data several orders of magnitude greater than hoped for. We've travelled much, much more than thought possible for thse Rovers. We've also learned a great deal about how to conduct robotic missions on other planets or moons in the solar system. We have gotten nothing short of a scientific miracle in the volume of information, learning opportunity, and pure information.

    The teams running this show have done stellar work, overcoming incredible obstacles. Amazing work.

    And your ideas about solving the current problem? As if it hasn't already been thought of, considered, even tried out in simulation.

    Read a bit of the blogs from the teams. They are pretty damned incredible.

    Me? I got no idea how to get it out of the sand. Tilting and waiting out the winter is a good plan, rather than taking chances when the Rovers are actually doing pretty well otherwise.

    Honestly. This mission is delivering value way beyond expectations. I got no complaint.

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  14. Re:Design by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Informative

    I really hope you are joking.

    If not, you saying that that a rover that survived for 8 years, that was supposed to only survive 90 days - was poorly designed. Oh, and NASA should have known about this problem (based on all the other rovers we've sent over the years) and added a complicated jacking mechanism and bigger wheels. And I guess, if in 20 years it gets attacked by aliens someone will post "oh, and they should have seen this coming and added laser defenses."

  15. This looks like a job for Tiger Woods by Torodung · · Score: 2, Funny

    [NASA is] hunting for a way to keep the machine, which is mired in a sand trap, alive to see a seventh year.

    Ah. The real reason for Tiger Woods' leave-of-absence.

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  16. Re:Design by petsounds · · Score: 2, Funny

    All they had to do was play Moon Patrol to figure that out.