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Air Canada Ordered To Provide Nut-Free Zone

JamJam writes "Air Canada has been told to create a special 'buffer zone' on flights for people who are allergic to nuts. The Canadian Transportation Agency has ruled that passengers who have nut allergies should be considered disabled and accommodated by the airline. Air Canada has a month to come up with an appropriate section of seats where passengers with nut allergies would be seated. The ruling involved a complaint from Sophia Huyer, who has a severe nut allergy and travels frequently. Ms. Huyer once spent 40 minutes in the washroom during a flight while snacks were being served."

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  1. Shrimp free zone? by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should there also be a shrimp free zone for those who are allergic to shrimps, and a strawberry free zone for those who are alergic to strawberries, and maybe a sweater free zone for those who are allergic to sweaters?

    1. Re:Shrimp free zone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A decent number of people with nuts allergies can react to particles in the air or find the smell of nuts absolutely revolting. They're also the most commonly fatal allergies. There is some iota of rationale.

    2. Re:Shrimp free zone? by twitcher101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they served strawberries or shrimp on planes, yes. But all we get is a bag of salted peanuts in hope we will spend $5 on a drink. Allergies that can kill are no joking matter, and a nut free zone might be a better solution to the problem than having to divert a plane because someone went into anaphylactic shock...

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    3. Re:Shrimp free zone? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Allergies that can kill are no joking matter, and a nut free zone might be a better solution....

      So perhaps the best solution would to not allow these nuts with allergies on board? If their reaction is so severe as to be life threatening just from being in the same room (and an extremely well ventilated room with excellent air filtration at that) as a bag of nuts then it is clearly not safe for them to be out in public where anyone might be eating nuts. If the problem is that they are scared to be in a room with nuts because they are allergic to them then this is a psychological problem of theirs and not a medical requirement at which point it becomes reasonable to ask why I should have to give up my freedoms instead of them giving up theirs.

    4. Re:Shrimp free zone? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you're the one with the fucking stupid idea of bringing an animal onto a plane. The argument here is "Well, they have an allergy they can't control but that is less important than my WANT to bring my precious cat on an airplane". How much more selfish could you actually get, really?

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  2. Baby Free Zone? by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm allergic to noisy babies and children who kick my seat-back. Where's my zone?

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    1. Re:Baby Free Zone? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So?

      Let's pull a figure out of the air (no pun intended) and say there are 300 seats on an Airplane. Peanuts are just *ONE* allergy in which some individuals have a reaction so severe, that they die.

      Your thoughts on this are rather simplistic and serve to encourage people with Severe Entitlement Disorder.

      Consider these points:

      1) What are all the other allergies that can cause death in extremely sensitive individuals? How do those allergies relate to each other?
      2) Are we going to section off whole planes with complex databases of codes of what chemicals, foods, etc. can be present in that single section?
      3) What about allergies so sensitive that even the smallest presence in the *WHOLE* plane can cause extreme reactions including death?
      4) Even with 300 seats could we possibly account for all the variations required?
      5) Are we going to have to include a manifest to every passenger on the plane on what items are allowed for their zone?
      6) Would any of this require abandoning seating models currently in use and the exclusive usage of assigned seating rules from now on? (highly likely)
      7) Do we have to just sanitize the whole plane and have people wear hazmat suits?

      Or do we just say "heck with it" and give people with peanut allergies preferential treatment?

      People who have allergies, even life threatening ones, have the *SOLE* responsibility to limit their exposure. It is not the responsibility of the rest of the world to get rid of what causes their allergies in every possible place they may decide to do to. That is just ridiculous.

      I can emphasize with people who have these unfortunate allergies, however the option is not to fly. I don't find it reasonable to force an airline to have preferred seating just for them. Especially, since indirect exposure is not mitigated enough with just a couple of seats anyways.

      It is also not technically possible to service all the allergies, and since it is not possible, it is *NOT* fair to just get rid of the peanuts.

  3. Stop serving nuts by BearRanger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like almost all US airlines have done. Of course Ms. Huyer will then complain that everyone will be getting snacks but her... (not to make like of nut allergies, which really can be deadly. But a "nut free zone" in an enclosed space with recirculated air? Just switch to pretzels and be done with it.)

  4. I'm 6'5" by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can I please have a special government-enforced seating zone that has an extra 6" of leg room, at no extra charge?

  5. Peanut Hysteria is more of a psychological issue by blueworm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can anybody provide any real evidence that nut allergies are triggered by the "smell" of nuts? I don't think so -- as far as I know they have to be aerosolized in a cooking spray or finely crushed and thrown into the air as "nut dust". I'm betting this woman is probably just a hypochondriac who thinks she's being affected by smelling nuts when she's not. This article http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=2417934 mentions that her claim is backed up a doctor's note saying that she has a reaction when in the general vicinity of nuts, but other than that there's no real evidence for this.

    Air Canada and other organizations should first order complete medical studies on people like this to get the facts before taking action. Clearly, the public needs more evidence because special treatment for allergy sufferers and public bans of nuts are getting out of hand.

    A quick Google search reveals the beginnings of a Britannica article which also indicates that banning nuts is a bad idea since nut allergy deaths are not unacceptably higher annually than deaths from lightning strikes and bee stings, and because banning creates a climate of oversensitivity: http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/35883327/Peanut-hysteria--or-is-it

  6. the new standard... by ncgnu08 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know it is not PC to say, but this is a sad joke. People should get over themselves and stop demanding the world change around them. It is as if "only-child syndrome" is now the standard. I am starting to find myself allergic to work, bills, and anything that inconveniences me in the slightest. The plane does not bother me as I do not fly; I am allergic to paying for tickets but the airlines refuse to accommodate me. And I do not need to park in the blue spaces, as I am allergic to parking in spaces; I need to just get out of my car where I want. Now if the police would stop discriminating against me by towing my car when I leave it on the sidewalk! They will all regret it when I file a lawsuit and they learn I am allergic to verdicts against me!

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    1. Re:the new standard... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If only I had mod points... Intentional or otherwise I consider your comment dead on insightful. The world is far too accommodating with respect to disjointed persons. Whether by mind, matter or both the world should not be held captive by unreasonable accommodations of such persons. If by some reason I breathed not air but ammonia I should be the one to don the EV suit not those around me.

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    2. Re:the new standard... by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You want to eat peanuts - that's your preference. Why should the significant minority of the population who suffer nut allergies be forced to change their behaviour (by staying off aircraft - the only practicable means of travelling more than about 1500 miles, though this could equally apply to trains & buses) to suit you?

      With my balancing:
      You can choose to travel on the aircraft (suffering the minor inconvenience of not being able to give yourself heart diease), or stay at home.

      With your balancing:
      The person with the nut allergy can choose to travel on the aircraft (knowing that they may end up dead if they, say, get your peanuts chucked on them by turbulence), or stay at home.

      You want to err on the side of freedom to do as you please (within the law) in public - I want to err on the side of the freedom to be in public (i.e. people with fairly common allergies being free to use public places*). I suppose they're just different forms of freedom.

      *An aircraft may be privately owned, but it is a public place

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  7. No to nuts, but yes to pets? by starbugs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to this pets are now allowed on Air Canada, although many people with allergies object and can no longer fly because of this. But nuts (which don't get carried in the air as much as pet dander) are not allowed?
    Am I the only one wondering WTF?

  8. Re:Peanut Hysteria is more of a psychological issu by demi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, and I mean no offense, but that's not evidence. The problem with parents who tell these tales about how peanuts are like kryptonite to their kids or they're allergic to X in food is also he reason why we shouldn't base public policy on anecdotal evidence (there's another comment below about someone "who knows a family with a son who...")--so please don't take this as if I'm targeting you specifically or questioning he veracity of what you're relating; I'm just pointing that this is isn't how we gather evidence on public health issues and the stories told by parents shouldn't form the basis of public health policies.

    The thing is, in the scenarios you're describing, you have a son who is quite allergic to nuts, I'm going to guess because he had something with peanuts actually in it at some point, or came into contact with the oil, and after that happened a couple of times with an allergic reaction, you figured out he was allergic. And people at the school and around him basically know this, too.

    So now, when your son doesn't feel well, on a field trip, or at school, everyone looks around for the nuts. And lo and behold, you're next to a peanut farm. Or a kid at the table is having a PB&J. Or you find out his playmate had peanut butter pancakes that morning, or a snack made in a facility processing pine nuts. Or whatever. And you have your "explanation."

    Except that you don't actually know how frequently your son is exposed to "peanut dust" or "contaminated surfaces" or whatever, and doesn't have a reaction. Maybe he's allergic to something else, or maybe not. Or maybe it goes down exactly as you suspect. The problem is that in the absence of a controlled study, we just can't tell. And while it makes sense (maybe) for you to just be on the safe side with regard to nuts, it doesn't make sense to make rules, regulations and laws with significant costs for others without that peer-reviewed, study-based justification.

    Anyway, I hope people take this as the call for more information and for better study of the public health implications of allergies that it is, and not as an attack on a dad and his son, which it certainly isn't intended to be.

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  9. Re:Funny by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Peanut butter sandwiches are a staple of childhood, are cheap, and are relatively nutritious. It's a bad thing.