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Google Attackers Identified as Chinese Government

forand writes Researchers, examining the attacks on Google and over 20 other companies in December, have determined 'the source IPs and drop server of the attack correspond to a single foreign entity consisting either of agents of the Chinese state or proxies thereof.'"

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  1. Re:can't say i'm surprised by Cornwallis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing.

  2. Re:Honestly by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bad China! BAD! Now give me more cheap, exploitable labor. AWWWE, how can we stay mad at you!

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  3. Re:But... by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It couldn't be them. China would never do anything wrong.

    That... or they'll just blame it on their status as a "developing nation" and that they shouldn't be held to the same standards as everyone else.

    The original official notification of this from Google's Chief Legal Officer where he mentioned human rights advocates and human rights issues causes this to seem above the average security breach:

    Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

    I can understand how "We can't enforce copyright on software and music when we're busy lifting hundreds of millions of citizens out of poverty as a developing nation" works but I can't understand how "We need to arrest and persecute human rights activists because we're a developing nation" works.

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  4. Re:No, Seriously... by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a foreign government had attacked non-digital assets of any US corporation, you would expect some kind of formal reprisal. Maybe not an airdrop of Marines, but certainly something more than Hilary Clinton threatening to write a stern letter.

    What I have not doped out yet to my own satisfaction is whether the tepid response from Washington is the fault of the current administration, confusion regarding the digital nature of the breach and assets, or a little of both.

    I think it has something to do with Chinese savings now being the foundation of much of the western economy, and the fact that China is a major nuclear power.

    What China realised and the USSR didn't, IMO, is that they could forget the cold war and essentially buy the west with the west's own money.
    /crazy theory

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  5. Re:But... by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's botnets running on government computers in most countries, China is probably not an exception. I'm not saying they didn't do it, just that IPs are not complete proof.

  6. Re:Our response is? by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. a body of corporations (those 20 or so affected)

    Nothing of note. If they pull out publicly, they will continue to work with the Chinese through third parties. Shareholders don't give a damn about human rights or free speech. They just want their money.

    2. a nation

    They've already sold us poisoned toys and drywall. They've been using what amounts to slave labor for decades in order to provide cheap products. As long as the aforementioned shareholders are running things, you're not going to hear about the problems, and the American populace is too apathetic to sacrifice any amount of convenience.

    3. a global community of nations (UN)

    They'll pass some resolutions denouncing interference in the sovereign affairs of other countries. They'll slide in some language about Palestine or Iraq, and it will be vetoed by the US and Israel and maybe a pacific atoll that happens to have a bathroom.

    4. a cybercommunity

    Learn Chinese and troll MSN Spaces?

  7. Re:No, Seriously... by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with this theory of winning the new cold war simply by buying the opponent is that it doesn't, and can't, lead to any kind of victory. By investing in US debt China has bound themselves in an unholy blood pact to the U.S. economy. We on some level need them to continue pouring money into the economy to pay for poorly thought out foreign policy, they on the other hand need us to continue to prosper or all of their investments become worthless. If one side wins both sides win, if one sides loose both sides loose. The Chinese have already shown their realization of this in their effort to keep interest rates low to prevent inflation from devaluing their assets.

    Was that a long winded post for "The US is facilitating a Ponzi scheme, with China being the the bottom rung contributors."?

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  8. Re:But... by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's botnets running on government computers in most countries, China is probably not an exception. I'm not saying they didn't do it, just that IPs are not complete proof.

    Nor does it have to be. China's government is screwed either way. If they claim they are not the attackers, but were working from owned machines, then their "perfection" and "infallibility" are gone. Given the inherent insecurity in authoritarian cocknozzles, that will hurt them where they live.

    OTOH, if they don't cop to being hacked themselves, they have no other defense to being the source of the attacks.

    Either way, they've gotten taken down a notch (and I bet you they are PISSED about it), and I'm betting that our own cocknozzles in DC are hoping they opt for the second approach. Nothing heavy will come from it, but we'll get a few more of their chips in the big game.