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Adding Up the Explanations For ACTA's "Shameful Secret"

Several sources are reporting on a Google event this week that attempted to bring some transparency to the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) that has so far been treated like a "shameful secret." Unfortunately, not many concrete details were uncovered, so Ars tried to lay out why there has been so much secrecy, especially from an administration that has been preaching transparency. "The reason for that was obvious: there's little of substance that's known about the treaty, and those lawyers in the room and on the panel who had seen one small part of it were under a nondisclosure agreement. In most contexts, the lack of any hard information might lead to a discussion of mind-numbing generality and irrelevance, but this transparency talk was quite fascinating—in large part because one of the most influential copyright lobbyists in Washington was on the panel attempting to make his case. [...] [MPAA/RIAA Champion Steven] Metalitz took on three other panelists and a moderator, all of whom were less than sympathetic to his positions, and he made the lengthiest case for both ACTA and its secrecy that we have ever heard. It was also surprisingly unconvincing."

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  1. Like healthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think we can all agree that this is too important to negotiate the details in public.

    1. Re:Like healthcare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Step 1: Every hand offered to the Republicans is savagely bitten
      Step 2: Every attempt to negotiate results in the bill being crapped in, and zero or nearly-zero Republican votes
      Step 3: Wake up and realize "why the hell were we trying to include them in a process they've openly claimed they want to poison by any means possible?"
      Step 4: Get things done

    2. Re:Like healthcare by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, when it comes to nationalized healthcare, at least there are countries where you can point to and say "look, that's what it's gonna be like".

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  2. I still don't see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the hell a trade treaty is secret. From anyone... let alone the people of the countrys involved in the agreement.

    If you can't tell people what's in it. It's most likely not a good thing and we'd like to hang you for it.

    1. Re:I still don't see... by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure at some point the RIAA/MPAA will tell us that it will compromise national security if they tell what's being negotiated. After that, they will claim it's to protect children, because a lot of kiddy porn is exchanged at these secret meetings.

  3. Avoid Snake Bites by b4upoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These creeps are not dead and they will try other approaches to take away freedoms that we should all have and cherish. They have redefined piracy in order to make normal and usual human activity a crime. Unless copying is blatantly commercial in nature it should be permitted. The notion that because it is easier to copy because we use computers is no excuse for the current plague of laws. This is almost as absurd as telling drinkers that they could not use a device to lift a drink to their lips because it makes getting drunk easier.

  4. Metalitz by royallthefourth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any relation to Metallica??

  5. The most disturbing point by jwinster · · Score: 5, Informative

    The most disturbing point in this article, for me, is that the US may be the sticking point on allowing the discussions to be more transparent (link contained in TFA) http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4693/125/ I find this to be disgusting as we have yet another example that transparency TRULY being brought to Washington to be a farce.

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    1. Re:The most disturbing point by IndigoDarkwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, wtf were *you* thinking, voting a senator from the most famously corrupt state in the union into the office of the President?

      Makes me wish I'd owned land in Utah for that election. I would have made a killing selling "oceanfront property".

  6. Industry lobbyists hint at the truth of ACTA? by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This only goes to prove that ACTA is utterly driven by lobbyists for the entertainment inductry (MPAA, RIAA and such). Politicians aren't doing this for the people, just big business, and keeping this secret is really about hiding their shame. If people knew what was really going on, talks would probably break down from public outcry alone.

    ...it's clear that many governments don't actually want their own people to see the proposals being made and to shape their outcome.

    It goes to show that it really pays to be a lobbyist:

    Keeping negotiations secret is how "you get big fees to be a lobbyist," since only the "insiders" have access to the process.

    1. Re:Industry lobbyists hint at the truth of ACTA? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This only goes to prove that ACTA is utterly driven by lobbyists for the entertainment inductry (MPAA, RIAA and such).

      It also demonstrates that transnational corporations have been more powerful than any government(s) on earth for some time now.

      Really, it's too late to expect government to help us when it comes to standing up to corporate power, because money trumps votes every single time. Any time someone who might pose a threat to corporatist hegemony even comes close to running for national office, they are immediately painted as being nutty, fringe, dangerous (pick your negative smear of choice).

      It happened to Dennis Kucinich most recently, and Howard Dean a few years back. If you bring up his name, lots of people will immediately start to say that stuff about him, but if you ask them for an example of a fringe or weird policy he has advocated, at most you'll get "his wife is a hippie" or something equally inane. Howard Dean had his candidacy destroyed because he hollered. Remember how that one noise he made was used by every mainstream media outlet to indicate he was crazy?

      There are others: Ralph Nader, even Ross Perot, who, while a businessman himself, had a distinctly populist approach to the balance of government and big business. The press had a field day tearing him up.

      In Europe, the situation is just as bad. If you can't demonstrate that you're going to be very friendly to the transnationals, you'll never get near a national election.

      Any international trade agreement is going to be a disaster, just as NAFTA, CAFTA, and all the others have been. Poor countries will stay poor and the citizens of rich countries will get poorer.

      It almost makes me a little optimistic about the teabagger movement in the US. If you can get these people to come out and express their anger at "big government", all you have to do now is fill them in on who the real enemy is and then you've got something. Once they figure out that nobody in government so much as scratches their ass without the corporate elites giving them the OK, and no amount of partisan politics is going to change their situation until there is a big thick wall put up between corporate power and government. There is something very transgressive about going out into the street with a sign and hollering, and it's a waypoint on a continuum that ends up with lighting a torch and a molotov cocktail. The trick now is to dissuade them from their hatred of educated people and their racism, and you've got a group that could be a great ally in what will ultimately be a fight by the working class against transnational corporations who are the real "New World Order".

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  7. I disagree by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless copying is blatantly commercial in nature it should be permitted.

    Well then you can say goodbye to alot of creative endeavors. Why write a book when it will only sell a single copy before being copied all over the internet? I can't make a living off the time spent writing when sales drop. Can't be a very successful band without some form of digital media, whether you're signed or produce it yourself. That won't turn a profit once its all across the web.

    This is almost as absurd as telling drinkers that they could not use a device to lift a drink to their lips because it makes getting drunk easier.

    No, this is like telling drinkers that they cannot use a device that duplicates the beverage to give to their friends.

    1. Re:I disagree by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, you know that Shakespeare fellow really didn't do ANYTHING because he didn't have copyright over his work. Nor did Van Gogh, or Chopin, or Beethoven, or...

    2. Re:I disagree by biryokumaru · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, this is like telling drinkers that they cannot use a device that duplicates the beverage to give to their friends.

      For most American beers, this process is referred to as "pissing."

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      When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
    3. Re:I disagree by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The great thing about those works is that they were DIFFICULT TO DUPLICATE.

    4. Re:I disagree by Btarlinian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Man, you know that Shakespeare fellow really didn't do ANYTHING because he didn't have copyright over his work. Nor did Van Gogh, or Chopin, or Beethoven, or...

      Yeah, and because of that Shakespeare, while alive, refused to actually publish his plays. There's a reason that some of his plays are lost for good. A lack of copyright has a lot to do with that. As for classical composers, they were basically paid by the government to do their work, which amounts to the same thing, copyright just makes your subsidy of a public good more direct and lets you (instead of some government official, for those who like to continually complain about anything the government does) decide who's worthy of getting money.

    5. Re:I disagree by cstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At the other extreme we are moving towards, technologies like restrictive DRM will also make literary and artistic works become lost in the future.

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      1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
    6. Re:I disagree by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But I can send a jpg of a Van Gogh around with no problem whatsoever. It costs nothing! It is totally making the original painting worth nothing!

      Same with music. Same with books. Sell the scarcity. The thing that IS hard to do.

    7. Re:I disagree by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Every frikkin page of Questionable Content and Girl Genius is on the web.

      The QC recently bought a house, travels to conventions, and has a pretty damn good life. People buy tons of merchandise which they could make free themselves for a couple bucks less!

      Phil and Kaja seem to be doing okay as well. (For some reason people keep buying the damn books which they could get perfectly free from the Foglio's web site).

      Why do these seemingly intelligent people keep giving their work away for free???

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      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    8. Re:I disagree by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why write a book when it will only sell a single copy before being copied all over the internet?

      Because it won't.

      I can't make a living off the time spent writing when sales drop.

      Alas, those who can't write popular enough books will have to make a living doing something else but that's no different from the current situation.

      The biggest pirates I know are also the biggest consumers of legitimate material. You can make a profit even with rampant piracy. Maybe it's not as easy as it was. Why should that matter? The point of copyright is to make it possible to make a living by being creative. Not to make it absolutely certain. It never has done and it never will. Technology sometimes makes it easier and sometimes makes it harder, as does society.

    9. Re:I disagree by CorporateSuit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can't be a very successful band without some form of digital media, whether you're signed or produce it yourself.

      Bands earn money by performing and touring.

      99.9% of the world gets by on getting money for continuing to work, not by forcing everyone to pay them for something they did 20 years ago. The entertainment industry will soon realize their draconian "get rich quick!" schemes are dead. Their creativity-killing "sell-a-single-never-work-again" methods are finally dying. It's tragic that if someone actually releases 3 albums in a year, they are viewed as a hack. That's how bad it's gotten, and it can and will change -- soon.

      "But that will kill the creative industry and entertainment industry!" you might say. Hooty tooty. If I ask you to name the most brilliant English writer of all time, and then the greatest, most creative influence on music of all time, and you are over the age of 12, you will name two people who did not operate under a "publish today without having to perform tomorrow, and you will still eat" creed. They will be people who starved if they tried to sit back and watch money roll in for Romeo and Juliet or Eine Kleine Nachtmusik.

      Copyright is ruined. It was ruined by those who thought they could get away by expanding it to infinity. Their greed has turned on them, and when the camel realized he doesn't have the carry the straw anymore, he won't sit and wait for one more to break his back.

      Does this mean that small development houses are going to have to change the way they operate? Most likely. They'll still have many years until the laws change -- but those who change earlier will be the ones who make insane amounts of money on lifeboats while the great ships are all sinking.

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      I am the richest astronaut ever to win the superbowl.
    10. Re:I disagree by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Informative

      www.questionablecontent.net

      www.girlgeniusonline.com/

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      People don't mind paying a reasonable price for content.
      People do have a limited amount of money they CAN spend.

      With absolutely perfect DRM, it will become abundantly clear that people grossing $46k per year are not going to be filling IPODS at $10,000 out of their net salary. They'll just move on to other cheaper forms of entertainment.

      If I *want* to charge $100,000 a song, I don't lose a dime (much less $900,000) if 9 people pirate the song.
      I only really lose money if my audience would still purchase my product given absolutely perfect DRM.

      People are getting tired of paying yet another $1 for the same song they've bought 3 times already.

      There is a huge glut of entertainment. I do not even sample dozens of television shows and hundreds of songs every year. I don't read hundreds of books a year. I don't read dozens of magazines a year. I don't watch many movies (even for FREE and even tho I'd probably like them at least a little). There is so much entertainment I can't keep up.

      If nothing else, by waiting 6-9 months, the movies and television shows are often 50% cheaper. Once you have a 12 month backlog built up, you just take the next item on the stack at pennies on the dollar.

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      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    11. Re:I disagree by grcumb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The great thing about those works is that they were DIFFICULT TO DUPLICATE.

      You might think so, but you'd be wrong.

      The editor of the Oxford University Press' complete works of Christopher Marlowe (a contemporary of Shakespeare's and author of Doctor Faustus, among other works) once told me that people in Elizabethan times had vastly better verbal recall than we have today. It was not at all unusual, she said, for someone to go and see MacBeth, for example, then to go home and repeat entire speeches verbatim to others.

      The Folios, by the way, were all copies, partly from memory, unauthorised by Shakespeare's estate.

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      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    12. Re:I disagree by kindbud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well then you can say goodbye to alot of creative endeavors.

      Goodbye American Idol.

      Goodbye John and Kate Plus Eight.

      Goodbye I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here.

      Goodbye and good riddance.

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      Edith Keeler Must Die
    13. Re:I disagree by solferino · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, and because of that Shakespeare, while alive, refused to actually publish his plays.

      Direct refutation of this assertion. 18 plays were published (and republished) before the death of William Shakespeare in 1616. Mostly the more popular plays including Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, King Lear, Othello and A Midsummer Night's Dream.

    14. Re:I disagree by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can create something that a lot of people want and yet can't figure out a way to get people to pay you money then hire someone who can come up with a decent business model for you. If you can't do it, and no one else can do it, then whatever you created wasn't going to net you any money whether piracy is rampant or not. Lots of people are finding ways to make money with music, movies, books, and other copyrightable things despite their works being freely available. In fact, many of them are also making money while encouraging the copying of their stuff. It can be done. It is being done. And those who can't do it will not last long.

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      Just say no to irreversible processes!
    15. Re:I disagree by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I resent the implication that American Beer tastes like warm piss! Everybody knows that we Americans prefer our beer chilled, so in fact it always tastes like _cold_ piss!

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    16. Re:I disagree by bfree · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well then you can say goodbye to alot of creative endeavors. Why write a book when it will only sell a single copy before being copied all over the internet?

      I've bought hundreds of books where I could as easily have borrowed them from a friend or a library, I also prefer to read from paper then a screen. Also you can't copy a performance so comedians, musicians and actors would all have their place (as would cinema's).

      Think of it this way, you download and read a book from a current author (films and albums are just the same) and enjoy it, you can just hope they keep producing works or maybe you'll think that you'd like to encourage them so you send then a contribution in thanks (or buy some product they sell). Crowd-patronage for those who can inspire their audience to show their appreciation for them. Yes it changes the balance of power, but I think it's clear that the current system is horribly broken with corporations owning "moral rights", buying their legal perpetual extension and now trying to force extra legal protections in via secret treaties.

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    17. Re:I disagree by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Man, you know that Shakespeare fellow really didn't do ANYTHING because he didn't have copyright over his work. Nor did Van Gogh, or Chopin, or Beethoven, or...

      The great thing about those works is that they were DIFFICULT TO DUPLICATE.

      No, none of their works were difficult to duplicate. For example, there were plenty of pirated copies and unauthorized performances of Shakespeare during his career. And given that Shakespeare based most of his plays on preexisting works (he would've had a hard time if he had to live with our rules) and, as an actor, probably performed other people's plays without paying them, it was fair enough.

      Further, while works have generally become easier to duplicate over time -- in Shakespeare's day, writing was laboriously done with quill and ink, printing with lead type -- pirates have never had the advantage over authors. At most, authors and pirates were able to duplicate works equally easily. More usually, authors and authorized publishers have had the advantage; working from better copies, working openly, being the first mover, working in bulk, etc.

      Even today, authors have the advantage. A DVD factory can make discs that cost less to produce per unit than if individuals were to rip and burn their own at home. A press can make higher quality books, with good bindings, for a far lower price than you or I could by printing them out at home (especially given how overpriced ink and toner are). And even for electronic distribution, it isn't as though an author cannot distribute a pdf of a book, or mp3s of music, or an avi of a movie. He can even spare himself much of the cost by using P2P networks, where his audience distributes the work at their own expense. There's no pirate-only technology, no issue of difficulty.

      And anyway, why should we stop the progress of reproduction technologies just for authors? Painters suffered greatly from the invention of photography; do you think we should've suppressed it, just to protect their livelihood? The live theater (particularly vaudeville) is a mere shadow of what it used to be, to the extent it isn't dead, due to movies and television.

      Personally, I think I have more faith in authors than you do. I think they'll find a way to adapt. And to the extent that they don't, we may nevertheless be better off with fewer new works, but more freedom as to what we can do with them.

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    18. Re:I disagree by RocketRabbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're full of shit.

      People will just go back to publishing their novels and books in serial format in monthly publications. This is how many of the classic books of the last 300 years were published.

    19. Re:I disagree by selven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He published the 18 plays that were the most popular, ie. that made the most money for him. He probably didn't want to publish the other 18 because they were bad and nobody liked them.

  8. draft on wikileaks by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 5, Informative
    For handy access:

    Of course, this draft is from last year.

  9. *Surprisingly* unconvincing? by gzearfoss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the summary...

    [MPAA/RIAA Champion Steven] Metalitz took on three other panelists and a moderator, all of whom were less than sympathetic to his positions, and he made the lengthiest case for both ACTA and its secrecy that we have ever heard. It was also surprisingly unconvincing.

    I'd find it more surprising if he could make a convincing argument for all the secrecy.

  10. Expect no help from Hope and Change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Take a look at which political party the MAFIAA has bought.

    1. Re:Expect no help from Hope and Change! by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like they bought both parties, but the republicans sold out for less.

    2. Re:Expect no help from Hope and Change! by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Digital?

      You do realize that the democrats and the republicans were both called the democratic-republicans at one point. They are the same party, they represent nearly identical interests and have nearly identical policies. The only differences are cosmetic for the purpose of cornering the market on the votes of the ignorant.

      America is a one party nation with two corrupt and necrotic faces taking turns at pretending to represent the people.

  11. Interesting Bits for those that won't RTFA by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This particular bit made me snicker and reminded me of, "Thank You For Smoking:"

    "Steve's embarrassed by the content of the negotiation or he would be more supportive of transparency," said Love, not one to hold back in his rhetoric. Keeping negotiations secret is how "you get big fees to be a lobbyist," since only the "insiders" have access to the process.

    That came from one of the panel members calling for more transparency to the ACTA negotiations.

    However, I must say that this next part struck me as extremely interesting:

    But he also made the fair point that he's not the one doing the negotiating. The US Trade Representative, which handles ACTA, is ultimately responsible. Though it has repeatedly pledged transparency, none has been forthcoming

    The he referred to is the MPAA/RIAA lobbyist: Steven Metalitz. Now, it's important to remember that he is just a lobbyist, so shifting blame away from those he represents is his job. That being said, I figure we should all still cheerfully hate on the IP MAFIAA's. However, he did bring up the fact that the USTR is the one handling the negotiations. Currently, that position is held by Ron Kirk, a fella from Texas. Looking at his Wikipedia article, he doesn't appear to have anything particularly outstanding, good or bad, in his political record. That being said, perhaps he is playing in a league (international politics) that he is not quite up to snuff on yet. I would wager that people could contact his office en masse (if we could find that info, I haven't found a lot with a few simple Google's) and show him just how important an issue this transparency is. In other words, he may still be new enough at these games that he hasn't completely grown callous to the American Public. Then again, this is all just guess work on my part.

    One other thing to keep in mind is that he doesn't seem to have been in the national spotlight all that much, at least not that I can find. Maybe if we put him under the heat lamp of mass public disclosure regarding these meetings he will comply with public demands to avoid a serious burn. /shrug

  12. Economic reality by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Such a large part of the US and Western Europe economy is today based on sales of intagible goods that it should be obvious that some sort of international agreement would be nice to limit the economic loss that is occurring based on piracy and other copyright violations.

    The problem is that since around 1980 or so people have grown up with the idea that if you physically can transfer information digitally it ought to be free. Whether it is by trading floppies or using BitTorrent, anyone that has go to school since 1980 or so has had access to free digital stuff that someone else thought you should be paying for. At it height, the BBS movement pretty much doomed Apple ][ games with common knowledge that any game produced would sell two copies - one on the west coast and one on the east. And that was around 1984.

    One huge problem for governments is that if I buy a DVD in a store they get tax revenue on it. If I buy it in Europe, they get tax revenue from it several times over through VAT. However, if it download it nobody get anything. Now you can argue all you want about pirates not ever paying so these aren't really "lost sales", but the government is certainly looking at this as "lost tax revenue". And it is certainly millions, if not billions of dollars in the US today.

    iTunes is maybe 1% of the music download market. If the government was collecting their 10% cut on the remaining 99% of the music download market there might not be such a concern about paying for executive bonuses and shifting union health plan costs.

    So really, can you blame them?

    Of course, from where I sit nobody is ever going to actually be able to enforce any restrictions. Piracy is here to stay and nobody that has gone to school since 1980 or so is exactly in the dark about how to download stuff for free. And they aren't going to be paying anytime in the future. It is free for the taking today and likely to be free forever. Tax consequences or not.

    But given the staggering amounts of money the governments of the world think are being left on the table, can you really blame them for not trying to collect "their fair share"? Just be glad nobody has actually proposed a policeman stationed at every Internet connection just to make sure that the taxes are being paid.

  13. I was at the event by the_scoots · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are some points that were brought up in the meeting that I thought were pretty important. Someone correct me if I'm mistaken on any points, IANAL or too politically savvy. Many of the people who had seen pieces of the draft kept coming back to several points:

    - Some speculated that this has more to do with future trade agreements with countries NOT involved in ACTA talks than those in it.The idea was that this would be used to strong arm developing countries into agreeing to the terms to enter into future trade agreements with any ACTA countries in the future.

    - Patents are also in ACTA, and could potentially impact international trade of pharmaceuticals. Many public health organizations such as Doctors Without Borders are worried about the impact on getting generic drugs to 3rd world countries.

    - While this supposedly won't change any US laws, it will impact future court decisions on infringement cases, which will in effect change the law by setting precedence.

  14. We need to slander ACTA by mykos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's start making stuff up about it, saying that it will require that every human being on the planet register on a global network and that it gives copyright protection organizations the right to install kill switches in everyone's brain.

    They will be so afraid of the pitchforks and torches generated from this that they'll be forced to do what they should have done in the first place: tell us what it actually contains.

  15. Good reasons to keep a trade treaty secret by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are actually good reasons to keep drafts of a trade treaty secret, or at least to keep Congress from meddling too much in the negotiation of a trade treaty (and one way to accomplish that is secrecy). Often a trade treaty might involve lowering tariffs or other barriers to trade, which result in a net economic benefit to the countries involved as a whole. However, they also hurt specific businesses or industries, which have a strong incentive to mobilize and lobby against lowering tariffs (see, e.g., Chinese tires). By keeping a treaty secret until most details have been hammered out, it gives less time for special interests to derail what can potentially be overall a beneficial product.

    That said, as Jonathan Band of Policy Bandwidth (one of the panelists) pointed out during the event, ACTA is fundamentally not a trade agreement, and it's dishonest to pretend that it is, even if it has "trade" in the name. ACTA seems to be combination agreement on customs and law enforcement (not trade) and on intellectual property (also not trade). This difference is important, because IP agreements have a much more transparent history than trade agreements. This is something that Jamie Love kept trying to point out to Steve Metalitz; Steve was arguing that ACTA is no less transparent than trade agreement X, but the proper comparison would be any of WIPO's recent work, and the fact that NGOs, business groups, and academics all have access to draft WIPO agreements and resolutions, and their input is taken seriously. Draft texts are even put up on the Internet. That's transparency. It's also precisely the reason why ACTA can't be negotiated in a forum like WIPO.

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  16. You joke, but... by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You joke, but the MPAA has actually called for the negotiations to be more transparent, if only to avoid the negative attention garnered by the current total lack of transparency.

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    "Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson