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Using EMP To Punch Holes In Steel

angrytuna writes "The Economist is running a story about a group of researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute for Machine Tools and Forming Technology in Chemnitz, Germany, who've found a way to use an EMP device to shape and punch holes through steel. The process enjoys advantages over both lasers, which take more time to bore the hole (0.2 vs. 1.4 seconds), and by metal presses, which can leave burrs that must be removed by hand."

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  1. an alternate past by drDugan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article focuses on how this is a more "peaceful use" for the EMP. I disagree: when the robot apocalypse finally arrives, and a rogue T800 drives after you in into a steel mill, it will be damn useful to have an EMP device used for shaping steel rings handy to stop the cybernetic killing machine. As an added benefit, an EMP would destroy the cpu, meaning no Cyberdyne Systems, and I get my 5 hours back wasted on T3 and Terminator Salvation!

    The mechanical press was, like, so 1984.

  2. Re:Longevity? by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

    The capacitors can probably take several million discharges before there's any "wear" on them however the coils must withstand some degree of stress repeatedly which is a concern over the long term due to metal fatigue.

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  3. Re:stop the cybernetic killing machine by snikulin · · Score: 5, Funny

    He is our governor now, you insensitive clod!

  4. Re:Weapon? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that occupational hazard specialists wouldn't recommend kissing one; but the ability of a strong magnetic pulse to deform a material depends on that material being conductive enough to have an induced current and a (temporary) magnetic field of its own. Metals qualify, humans are pretty iffy.

    Humans, being gooey sacks of largely salt-water, are slightly conductive and they do do some electrical signalling internally; so a very strong magnetic field could well have an effect(TMS exploits this fact to noninvasively alter the function of brain tissue). A very strong magnetic pulse to the brain could have odd effects, a very strong pulse to the heart might be an issue, and a really strong pulse just about anywhere might be enough to cause electrical flailing or burns.

    That said, though, the weapon potential would be absurdly poor. Magnetic field strength falls off quite quickly with distance, so you would need some truly heroic equipment to have any effect on somebody more than a few centimetres away. You'd be much better off simply discharging the capacitor bank through the victim rather than the coil. Or just hitting them with a wrench.

    All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality; but strong magnetic fields aren't even in the same league.

  5. Article Has No Meat. by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi. I'm a metalworking professional, with a heavy background in tool and die work.

    >metal presses, which can leave burrs which must be removed

    The burr side, if you've got sharp tooling, doesn't have much of a burr. Also, when you assemble the product, the burr side goes away from the user. Speaker grille material, for example, is always mounted on the finished speaker burr side in. If you've got a large burr punching holes in steel, then you have dull tooling and/or wrong punch-to-die clearance.

    >.2 seconds per hole

    Too slow. Much, much too slow. Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press.

    >by hand

    Someone's never heard of tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.

    >This article is written as if there's no tooling involved and there's no die or stripper plate to back up the steel as it's distorted by the EMP. It goes on to say that it can do away with molds. LOL QUE?

    Total misunderstanding by the journalist.

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    1. Re:Article Has No Meat. by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you considered working for NASA?

  6. Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory? by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nonsense. The human body has an average resistance of 300-1000 ohms. Not great, but far weaker than modern electrical insulation.

    The magnitude of the induced current depends largely on the inverse of the resistance for which steel is magnitudes lower than human flesh. That means that the field would need to be truly colossal to do the same thing to a human being that this punch is doing to the steel.

    Evidence has been shown that some frequencies in the EM spectrum indeed do cause damage to DNA and in some cases that damage is propagated to future divisions of that cell, meaning the damage is permanent.

    ionizing EM radiation certainly. Terahertz can also create bubbles in the DNA helix which can impair proper cell division but there is *zero* evidence that the fields involved in the EMP press do any of this.

    I noticed in the article they said this works based on magnetic repulsion, and also that it works on stainless steels. I'm curious if this works on the largely non-magnetic 300 series SS.

    The punch works because it induces a current in the metal which creates a magnetic field to oppose the one that induced the current in the first place. It does not depend on the magnetic properties of the metal. This means that roughly anything that is highly conductive like Aluminum, 303 stainless, copper etc. could be punched with the device. Largely non-conductive materials like humans can not be punched with the EMP punch.

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  7. Re:Weapon? by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Humans are not usually very magnetic.

    Are you sure? There are some humans that I have found to be highly repulsive...

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  8. Re:Water jet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I run a water-jet at a university, but I prefer a laser cutter or plasma cutter for CNC work. The water-jet is a pain to keep running. High pressure air and water, tubes, orifices to replace, mixing tubes that wear out, water filters, etc. Maintenance nightmare. I prefer to just have to clean the optics once in a while on a laser cutter and I can tell you that the laser cutter we have cuts much sharper than our water-jet.

    The advantage of the water-jet? Will cut 4" of ANYTHING for one thing, and it will cut the brittles like glass and ceramics and stone that the others will not. Also rubber - I cut a lot of rubber with it.

    Cheers.

  9. Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    humans can not be punched with the EMP punch at present energy levels.

    There, weaponized that for you.

  10. Re:Metal presses by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Small pieces may be burnished, rotoblasted, or vibratory finished. Still takes time, I guess.

    I once had a girlfriend like that - and you guess correctly.

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