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US Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret Bible Codes

Trijicon, a Michigan company that makes high-powered rifle sights for the military, has come under fire for inscribing coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ on their products. The sights contain references to Second Corinthians 4:6, "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" and John 8:12, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." The company has acknowledged that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the US military, but says there is nothing wrong or illegal about adding them. Spokespeople for the US Army and the Marine Corps both say that they were unaware of the biblical markings, and are discussing what steps, if any, to take. I personally think this is ridiculous. Everyone knows that Jesus was such a good shot he never used sights.

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  1. Oh that sure helps the Islamists... by Phrogman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By reinforcing the notion that the US and other NATO forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan are in fact "Crusaders" there to forcibly convert people to Christianity. There have been a few comments of a religious nature from US commanders in the past that probably helped reinforce the other sides propaganda efforts but this goes a step further. What more proof that we are engaged in fighting "Islam" the religion (and not Islamist terrorists) do you need to give to Al Qaida propagandists? What about the Muslim (or any other non-Christian religion) members of the US/NATO forces who suddenly discover they have been using a weapon with a religious quote that they might find personally find offensive?

    You will never win the hearts and minds of a population by making them think you are there to completely uproot their lives, starting with telling them their religion is wrong, and that getting your help is conditional on them converting to your religion. What you will do is help create even more opposition to your presence.

    I think the directors of this company should be fined the entire cost of the items sold to the military so far, from their own personal pocketbooks. What a hairbrained assinine and offensive stupid thing to do. I hope they pay for it.

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  2. Typical by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most hardcore religious types typically seek to impose their beliefs on everyone else. If they can't do it overtly, they'll adopt this kind of passive aggressive nonsense to get their way. Telling of their convictions is the fact that while they say they've done nothing wrong, they never bothered to tell the army exactly what they were getting.

    The rifles should all be refunded. They've essentially all got graffiti on them.

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    1. Re:Typical by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, this should be an issue with the religious authorities. When you think about it, it is just pure blasphemy to put references to Jesus on a weapon. It always strikes me as strange, that the people who claim to be the most religious seem always to stray the furthest from the teachings of the faith they claim to practice. Jesus and references to him do not belong on a weapon. There is definitely no turning the other cheek there, or "not doing onto others" what you wouldn't want done to you. No "Love thy neighbour". It's all about imposing your faith on others, which also runs contrary to the basic tenets of said faith.

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    2. Re:Typical by PitaBred · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Does it to Christians? You're welcome to proselytize. Just don't do it on my dollar, AKA the taxpayer's money. Fuck you for even suggesting that it might be appropriate.

  3. Typically overblown by Littleman_TAMU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The manufacturer put abbreviated Scripture references on its parts. So what? If you didn't know anything about the Bible, it could easily be seen as just another part number. They're not forcing anyone to read the Bible or look up the Scripture reference. If a manufacturer wanted to put HHGTTG42 or THX1138 on parts or some other geeky reference, people would think it's cool. It's just as cryptic to anyone without "inside knowledge", but since it's a Bible reference, everyone gets their undergarments in a twist. It's not an endorsement of Christianity as an official religion by any government.

  4. This is no big deal by cfalcon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is *really* stretching for a church/state link. The manufacturers are clearly believers, and they put references to their beliefs in their products. The references aren't even intolerant or violent ones.

    Anyone crying about this is just keeping in practice at crying about stuff.

    Sure, it's silly. But it's just free expression. You can't tell me with a straight face that this is coercive.

    1. Re:This is no big deal by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is free expression on Trijicon's part, but whether the US military should be purchasing rifles inscripted with references to Bible verses is another issue entirely.

  5. Re:Why not? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If US dollars were signed with "In God We Trust", why US weapons cannot contain Bible citations?

    Because it is wrong, insulting and unconstitutional to sign US dollars with "In God We Trust". The same goes for government-issued weapons.

  6. Re:Why not? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "In God We Trust" was added in the fifties by McCarthyites.

  7. Their motivation by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the most part, Trijicon sells "night sights": tritium lit, light amplification, etc. Given that, their choices of quotes (about shining light) seem apropos. If it had been a Shakespeare quote about light, would anybody be complaining? Before crying about religious oppression, realize that the Bible is a work of literature. Quotes from it are not necessarily for religious purposes.

    If you really want to get upset about something military related, might I suggest the expense of trillions of borrowed dollars to kill unthreatening foreigners and police the world?

    I have Trijicon tritium sights on most of my pistols, and a Trijicon ACOG on one of my AR-15s. I've never noticed the quotes (I'll look tonight), but they haven't subliminally converted me to Christianity yet. The only people who really have any justification to complain would be the customers, and most gun owners I know (Christian or not) wouldn't care.

    1. Re:Their motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Somehow I can't help but imagine the religious reaction if we switched the sides here.

      "There is no God" in small print on the same equipment. I'm sure that'd be taken as very offensive in some quarters. So why is it somehow acceptable, even to non-believers, that them pushing their belief on us is fine, but not if the tables are turned? So yes, I do see a justification in making an issue out of this. Out of what could be a misplaced respect for the right of others to be morons, I would never find it appropriate if I was selling a product to use them as a platform for my - totally unrelated - beliefs. I can only therefore conclude that the manufacturer in this case has zero respect for its customers, since they cannot even do this much.

    2. Re:Their motivation by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you read the quotes? None of them said anything like "worship Jesus, or go to hell". They probably just searched a Biblical concordance for cool quotes about light. If they were trying to push their religion on us, they'd put pamphlets in the packaging, or visible quotes on the sights. But they don't.

      If they did put "There is no god" on their products, and religious people complained, they'd be just as ridiculous as the non-religious complaining about this.

      But, if it bothers you that much, don't buy Trijicon products. If they piss off enough customers (but as I said before, few of their customers, Christian or not, will care), the demand will go down, and I'll be able to buy another ACOG for rock bottom prices!

      I hope none of you complaining about this have ever eaten at In-N-Out Burger.

  8. Re:Why not? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It makes no mention of which god

    What a typical passive-aggressive red herring. If you don't even know which god they're talking about, how can you possibly trust him/her/it?

    You most certainly *do* know which god they're talking about, and so does everybody else.

    So the question is, does it really matter? Seriously, why does everyone get their panties in a bunch over stupid crap like this.

    I don't know. Let's imagine the reaction if someone were to actually to enforce the Constitution and remove it. The din of twisting panties across this great nation would be deafening.