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Amazon Kindle To Get Apps and EA Games

Lanxon writes "Amazon currently encourages publishers and authors to sell their books and magazines digitally, but the upcoming Kindle Development Kit (KDK), which goes into beta next month, says Wired, will allow software developers to create a variety of different applications. Amazon has already confirmed a Zagat guide for restaurant reviews from Hallmark and a selection of word games and puzzles, such as Sudoku, from Sonic Boom. EA Mobile is also set to release games on the Kindle."The kit itself is expected to be available next month.

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  1. Convergence by djdavetrouble · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we get on with it already? I have a drawer full of devices.....

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    1. Re:Convergence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure; sell your soul to Steve Jobs and it's a deal!

    2. Re:Convergence by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      That would be a lot easier to pull off if everything happened at the same time. Therefore, the key to convergence is time travel.

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    3. Re:Convergence by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just wait until January 27th. I hope you have about $1000 to drop. Or you could just get an iPhone now.

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    4. Re:Convergence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually steal my apple devices from rich snots........

    5. Re:Convergence by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Your choice of words made me throw up a little.

      That in itself isn't so bad, but I didn't want to get it all over the keyboard so I had to retain it in my mouth till I could stomach it back down in there.

    6. Re:Convergence by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait, it gets better! Next iteration of Kindle will have extra circuitry, a microphone and speaker so you can... MAKE PHONE CALLS!!!

      Oh to be alive in such an age of wonders..

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    7. Re:Convergence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *laughs* a $500 dollar phone? Who on earth wants to pay five hundred dollars for a phone?

    8. Re:Convergence by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... there are many $500 phones out there... And just in case your post was sarcasm... :p

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    9. Re:Convergence by jseale · · Score: 1

      Let's not joke about this too much. The PSP turned out like this and it ain't all that bad. I mean, it's a great media player in addition to playing games, and the internet radio player is quite nice too (if you like Shoutcast's offerings, that is). Can't say anything nice about the web browser though.

  2. No "generic readers"? by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Voice over IP functionality, advertising, offensive materials, collection of customer information without express customer knowledge and consent, or usage of the Amazon or Kindle brand in any way are not allowed. In addition, active content must meet all Amazon technical requirements, not be a generic reader, and not contain malicious code.

    So if you want to add support for a file format the Kindle doesn't currently support you're out of luck?

    1. Re:No "generic readers"? by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      It just mentions a "generic reader". If you make a reader for a specific file format, I'd expect you'd just have to get Amazon's permission.

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    2. Re:No "generic readers"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, lets say they don't support .blah files, you can create a BlahReader app---that's not generic, it's very specific to just that file type.

      I find the 100k/user/month limit more disturbing. That implies no free SSH clients, no free web-browsers, etc.

    3. Re:No "generic readers"? by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It pretty much sounds like the Apple iPhone limitations. They won't allow something that simply duplicates the functionality of the Kindle, which is a generic reader. Apps have to do something more.

      I also see offensive material, which again is the iPhone catchall for 'if we don't like, it won't be on the device.' I wonder if they are going to be as liberal in the active content evaluation as they are for books.

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  3. games? by rhainman · · Score: 4, Funny

    With the refresh rate of the Kindle, and FPS will involve you shooting at the place where the bad guy was 5 seconds before.

    1. Re:games? by alen · · Score: 1

      you just wait

      they just ported the Unreal engine to the iphone. forgot which version. Kindle version is next

    2. Re:games? by happy_place · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm hoping the first game is entitled "DRM Busters".

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    3. Re:games? by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Yes but the iphone has pretty good display capability. The kindle has E-Ink. Not quite the same thing...

    4. Re:games? by Deag · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree any app that has any sort of interactivity will be sluggish. It does sequential reading well

      The refresh rate on current models will really limit this. Might be ok for crossword puzzles and sudoku.

      Although the current way it allows books to be read is fairly limited, (table of contents, basic search) the article mentioned more interactive books, such as cookbooks. And this might be where it will be useful.

    5. Re:games? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Choose Your Own Adventure games.

    6. Re:games? by jgagnon · · Score: 1

      Start with the Scott Adams games.

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    7. Re:games? by aicrules · · Score: 5, Funny

      Kindle's version will be a turn-based FPS.

    8. Re:games? by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      Yo Ho!

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    9. Re:games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start with the Scott Adams games.

      That would be most appropriate...

    10. Re:games? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      The refresh rate on current models will really limit this. Might be ok for crossword puzzles and sudoku.

      Well obviously they need to put a faster screen in these things! All my other portable devices can play games (and make phone calls), so why can't the Kindle? What's the point if it's not like all the other devices?

  4. One step closer to jailbreak by goldaryn · · Score: 4, Informative

    People can already SSH into their Kindles. If I were Amazon, I would be worried about this kind of support making jailbreaks more attractive, possibly putting a nail into the coffin of their future ebook sales.

    1. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People can already SSH into their Kindles. If I were Amazon, I would be worried about this kind of support making jailbreaks more attractive, possibly putting a nail into the coffin of their future ebook sales.

      Actually... I think that opening the platform up (be it intentionally, or by jailbreaking) will eventually be what makes ereaders a real, viable alternative to printed books.

      Right now, if you get a Kindle you're largely stuck buying your books from Amazon. You can't just go to any ebook retailer and pick up whatever you want.

      Right now, if you get a nook you're largely stuck buying your books from Barnes & Noble. You can't just go to any ebook retailer and pick up whatever you want.

      If they can open up the platform (either with a jailbreak, or an official update, or an app, or whatever) then you'll be able to buy your ebooks wherever you want. Amazon will lose it's vendor lock-in... But they'll pick up sales from folks with nooks and Sonys and whatever else.

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    2. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by donovansmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right now, if you get a nook you're largely stuck buying your books from Barnes & Noble. You can't just go to any ebook retailer and pick up whatever you want.

      Actually, since the Nook supports Adobe Digital Editions you can go to any store that uses ADE to purchase books. The Sony Reader Store and BooksOnBoard I believe are two of the larger ones. Also, it allows you to check out ebooks from libraries that use the Overdrive system. The Nook also supports the eReader PDB format and DRM scheme, which opens up the eReader and Fictionwise stores. The Nook probably has the broadest DRM format support of any ebook reader out right now.

      If they can open up the platform (either with a jailbreak, or an official update, or an app, or whatever) then you'll be able to buy your ebooks wherever you want. Amazon will lose it's vendor lock-in... But they'll pick up sales from folks with nooks and Sonys and whatever else.

      The problem is that each major ebook manufacturer is using both a different format and different DRM scheme for their books. Kindle uses either Mobipocket DRM files or their own Topaz format. The Nook appears to use the old eReader/Peanut Press DRM scheme with the EPUB file format. Sony uses the closest thing to a standard in DRM'd ebooks: Adobe Digital Editions protected EPUB. So neither the Nook nor the Sony Readers can use files purchased from the Kindle store and that won't change unless Amazon licenses their software to other companies, which I doubt will happen.

    3. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 1

      That's true of the Kindle, without trickery and hacking of the downloaded files (even if you get the Kindle's PID, and if the Mobipocket retailer takes it, you still need to flip a bozo bit in the downloaded file).

      But the specs say that the Nook supports any eReader (FKA Palm eReader) file, and any ePub file (even with Adobe's DRM).

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    4. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they can open up the platform (either with a jailbreak, or an official update, or an app, or whatever) then you'll be able to buy your ebooks wherever you want. Amazon will lose it's vendor lock-in... But they'll pick up sales from folks with nooks and Sonys and whatever else.

      I strongly disagree. An open platform doesn't mean that you can run proprietary DRM e-readers produced by other companies.

      Amazon introduced Kindle as a device for readers, but now they're using the old bait-and-switch trick to turn it into an e-reader, smart phone, audio and video player, game console, wireless router & kitchen sink all-in-one type of device. But Kindle's useless for anything requiring fast moving images, so they're just going to turn a good e-reader that it is into a piece of crap generic device. Way to go, Amazon.

    5. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Informative

      But the specs say that the Nook supports any eReader (FKA Palm eReader) file, and any ePub file (even with Adobe's DRM).

      I have a nook.

      It handles EPUB files just fine - most of my library is in EPUB format.

      But it doesn't read Kindle format. So, while you've got some more options... You still can't go out and buy your ebooks from any place you want.

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    6. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Shados · · Score: 1

      my sony reader uses EPUB natively now (as in, thats what the store sells even), supports pdfs (adobe digital edition or everyday random pdfs), text files, office docs (even excel!), and a bunch of other formats. I can buy books for it from everywhere, and you can even "borrow" digital books from some librairies.

    7. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by DrXym · · Score: 1
      But they'll pick up sales from folks with nooks and Sonys and whatever else.

      Hopefully it will be the Nooks & Sonys and whatever else which bury the Kindle, or at least see Amazon open up the device. Proprietary as most other devices are in some respect, it seems that they have rallied around EPUB + optional Adobe DRM. If DRM has to exist at least it should be device and vendor neutral.

      The fly in the ointment is Apple and what they intend to do. They're not exactly known for embracing standards except as a bait and switch for their own proprietary ones, so they may well support EPUB, but not the DRM everyone else is gravitating around. After all, that would let their users buy their books from anywhere and Apple simply can't allow that.

    8. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      If this story had come out a few years ago, I can just see CmdrTaco's summary: "Wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame." ;)

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    9. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on... have you looked at the iPhone jailbroken equivalent to the appstore? they actually sell high quality apps there too... and believe it or not, people pay real $$$ for them.

    10. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hopefully it will be the Nooks & Sonys and whatever else which bury the Kindle, or at least see Amazon open up the device. Proprietary as most other devices are in some respect, it seems that they have rallied around EPUB + optional Adobe DRM. If DRM has to exist at least it should be device and vendor neutral.

      My nook can certainly handle EPUB stuff just fine... And Barnes & Noble claims they're going to move their entire library over to EPUB eventually... But I don't know how open and friendly the Barnes & Noble store actually is. EPUB lets you embed whatever DRM you might want. I don't know that a B&N DRMed EPUB would actually work on anything besides a nook.

      The fly in the ointment is Apple and what they intend to do. They're not exactly known for embracing standards except as a bait and switch for their own proprietary ones, so they may well support EPUB, but not the DRM everyone else is gravitating around. After all, that would let their users buy their books from anywhere and Apple simply can't allow that.

      Apple has enough market penetration that they might just be able to force a kind of "lowest common denominator" as standard... Like it did with MP3s.

      Everyone was playing around with their own weird DRM and file formats and everything... And then iTunes came along. And while Apple does do their own DRM thing, and their own file format, it's very easy to convert them to MP3. And everyone else got scared. You couldn't very well release your songs in a format that wouldn't work with iTunes and iPods, because they were everywhere. So you either dumped your stuff into iTunes, or you released it in some way that converted to MP3 without too much trouble.

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    11. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by maxume · · Score: 1

      Why do you think it will hurt sales? It is already possible to drop drm free .mobi and text files onto the device using a USB cable, so people interested in dinking around already have a path to read any book they have lying around on the device.

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    12. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is nothing to prevent you from putting non-Amazon content on a Kindle already. The device is completely "open" as far as that is concerned.

      You can even (gasp!) download books using the Amazon-provided wireless connection from places like manybooks.net for free. At least half of the books on my Kindle have been either downloaded free from non-Amazon sites or placed on the device through the USB connection.

      People that think the Kindle is somehow locked down for Amazon only have been reading some conspiracy theory web site rather than getting an uncomfortable dose of reality.

      The latest Kindle software now supports some PDF documents (not all of them) but the viewing is so incredibly difficult that nobody is going to want to do it unless they absolutely have to. Not that this is any big surprise. PDF is a page-description language and if you aren't displaying on a screen big enough to hold a page you are pretty much out of luck. The Kindle (rightfully) doesn't scroll around a zoomed page view - they just let you rotate the screen to get a "landscape" width of the page rather than the standard "portrait" view. It works, but it isn't great. And it can't be great with PDF unless the PDF was originally designed for a reader device. Which is what other PDF-displaying Adobe based devices are counting on as well.

      No, I do not believe the Kindle supports locked-down Adobe content.

    13. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, though, iPods still didn't support FLAC. Since my entire music library is in this format (hey, disk space is cheap!), this means that the iPod is a non-starter for me unless I choose to transcode it to MP3.

      Since I prefer lossless data formats that are also open standards based, this ain't gonna happen any time soon.

      And yes, I know I'm the exception, not the rule. :)

    14. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, though, iPods still didn't support FLAC. Since my entire music library is in this format (hey, disk space is cheap!), this means that the iPod is a non-starter for me unless I choose to transcode it to MP3.

      Since I prefer lossless data formats that are also open standards based, this ain't gonna happen any time soon.

      And yes, I know I'm the exception, not the rule. :)

      Like I said... Least common denominator.

      There are plenty of audio formats that are superior to MP3. But it's the easiest one for everyone to support. So... Here we are.

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    15. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 1

      True, but that's Amazon's choice to only sell to owners of devices whose Mobipocket IDs have been whitelisted (and to not share how to generate them, and to restrict how they can be added); it's not something that you can hang on the Nook, no more than you can blame Borders for not carrying books printed by Barnes and Noble.

      (Yes, B&N does print/sell editions of some public domain texts.)

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    16. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by DrXym · · Score: 1
      My nook can certainly handle EPUB stuff just fine... And Barnes & Noble claims they're going to move their entire library over to EPUB eventually... But I don't know how open and friendly the Barnes & Noble store actually is. EPUB lets you embed whatever DRM you might want. I don't know that a B&N DRMed EPUB would actually work on anything besides a nook.

      I understand from the specs it supports several DRMs. But I think it would be colossally stupid for B&N to push their own DRM onto customers. After all, if I own a Nook I don't want my content stuck on just their proprietary reader. I would favour the most portable content even if that means I buy my content elsewhere. And if I don't own a Nook, I'd shop elsewhere altogether.

      Apple has enough market penetration that they might just be able to force a kind of "lowest common denominator" as standard... Like it did with MP3s.

      The lowest common denominator is probably EPUB but I can well see Apple thinking they have the muscle to push their own DRM over the top. Of course, if the touch device is a cut down OS X, perhaps users can install their own apps but I would not be surprised if its as much of a golden cage as the iPhone / iPod are.

    17. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. My wife hasn't bought a single e-book from Amazon since I got her a Kindle, back in September. She's gotten all of hers from the Gutenberg Project and P2P networks. And she's complained of too little time, too many books to read... not the other way around.

    18. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      People that think the Kindle is somehow locked down for Amazon only have been reading some conspiracy theory web site rather than getting an uncomfortable dose of reality.

      So, what places other than Amazon will allow me to purchase a copy of Under the Dome for Kindle?

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    19. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Kindle will also read unprotected Mobipocket (.mobi or .prc) files and .html.

      The biggest annoyance with the Kindle I would say is that it is based on only formats that the Kindle developers had free access to. They did not purchase the Adobe stuff, which would have enabled the format seemingly to be used by a lot of libraries in Phoenix.

    20. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Right now, if you get a nook you're largely stuck buying your books from Barnes & Noble. You can't just go to any ebook retailer and pick up whatever you want.

      Nook supports a number of common formats for DRM-free ebooks (including epub and PDF, which seem to be the two most used by independent vendors), supports Sony reader store ebooks, and supports Adobe DRM for epub, so, actually, you can go to just about any independent (that is, not associated with a particular e-reader vendor) ebook retailer and pick up whatever you want, as well as using books from either the Sony or B&N stores.

    21. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      The biggest annoyance with the Kindle I would say is that it is based on only formats that the Kindle developers had free access to.

      And even that doesn't excuse not supporting epub (the Adobe extensions and Adobe DRM, sure), which is completely free.

    22. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Island+Admin · · Score: 1

      After the latest update, the Kindle2 has native PDF support. It seems to work quit well. The formatting is pretty good, it seems to have some problems with certain images though. The only major annoyance, is the fact that you cannot change the PDF font size.
      This feature has come in handy, as I now print all my documents to PDF and stick them on my Kindle.

    23. Re:One step closer to jailbreak by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      I think it would be colossally stupid for B&N to push their own DRM onto customers.

      But that is exactly what B&N appears to have done (although only at B&N.com not fictionwise.com). But they do allow you to download a application, to most devices that accept applications, to view their DRM files. Although I guess B&N does seam to use a known DRM format, and use your credit card number as the key. That is more open than Amazon that uses a hidden kindle ID, that isn't meant to be known. At least with the B&N, you can replace your nook and move your DRM content.
      It is a shame B&N 1) often charge more at fictionwise for some of the same content 2) do not sell any non DRM content at B&N.com, but will sell some of the same e-books at fiction-wise without DRM. I am supposed to get the nook I ordered for the GF this week, since I know how to strip the B&N DRM do I set her up with a account at B&N, and ignore my dislike of DRM. Or do I setup a account with fictionwise (at additional cost) and encourage her to look for no DRM files. Or do I just volunteer to pirate any content she wants. Probably some combination of 1&2.

  5. EA games on the Kindle? by alen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Madden 2011 in black and white? is it 3d accelerated like on the iphone?

    1. Re:EA games on the Kindle? by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Madden would be ideal - no action for a few mins then it all happens real fast then nothing again for a bit. Just get the user to enter the moves/plan, show the end result every couple of minutes, jobs done.

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  6. Wait, what? by Drethon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the kindle (and E Ink in general) most efficient as displaying the same thing? Why would I want something with a frame rate killing my kindle battery?

    Just my bent $0.02

    1. Re:Wait, what? by Nimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The designers will have to keep the display in mind - for example, a Solitaire game would only refresh after you make a move, and same for Sudoku.

      Tetris would probably be right out, though.

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the kindle (and E Ink in general) most efficient as displaying the same thing? Why would I want something with a frame rate killing my kindle battery?

      That was my first thought as well.

      I don't know about the battery life... It'll certainly go down... But the refresh rate is going to be crap.

      I'm not sure why they want to release the Zagat guide as an app... I guess so it's more searchable? Or it can update in real-time? Seems like that would work pretty well as just a standard ebook... Or an emagazine subscription...

      As far as games go... Something like sudoku or crosswords or something will probably work reasonably ok... But the refresh rate is not going to be very good, and the UI is going to be very clunky.

      I dunno... The Kindle is fairly specialized hardware... I'm not sure how well it will handle something other than displaying text.

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    3. Re:Wait, what? by Brandee07 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Zagat guides are already available on the Kindle, so I presume they're looking to update the book content. I really can't see what else they'd want to do.

      As you say, games are going to be pretty basic. The Kindle already has minesweeper, and that pushes it's abilities.

      Developers are in for a major challenge, and many of them are likely going to decide, and rightly so, that the Kindle isn't the right platform for them.

    4. Re:Wait, what? by ddxexex · · Score: 1

      You could play something like Zork or another IF game, I don't think that should kill the battery that badly. And the choices in the summary also seem very basic, crossword puzzles and sudoku, it'd only drain your battery if you are really really bad at it or try to.

    5. Re:Wait, what? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Then what the hell is EA doing? Extreme Mahjong?

      Nethack on the Kindle would be epic.

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    6. Re:Wait, what? by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I was going to say that the game loop would take up CPU but if the hardware has good interrupt design then any game that doesn't require refresh without user input could be just about as efficient as reading text. Good point.

    7. Re:Wait, what? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Who cares about battery life? It's PORN after all!

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    8. Re:Wait, what? by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      Extreme Chess 2011 will be their first title, with centralised game servers planned to run for 2 years before you need to get Extreme Chess 2012 or 13.

    9. Re:Wait, what? by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

      Ah but you could get text-based adventures and rpgs going. Zork can make a comeback : D.

    10. Re:Wait, what? by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Interesting power generation techniques come to mind but I think I'd better not post diagrams...

  7. Interesting timing by nscheffey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wonder if it has anything to do with this?

  8. First Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phone to make free calls on whispernet.

  9. You can play DOOM on a Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..at 0.2 FPS

    1. Re:You can play DOOM on a Kindle by goldaryn · · Score: 1

      You can play DOOM on a Kindle ..at 0.2 FPS

      But does it run DNF?

    2. Re:You can play DOOM on a Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duke Nukem Fornever!

  10. Interesting, but I'm skeptical by Brandee07 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm excited about the possibilities, but worried that some developers will port their apps to Kindle because they can, without considering if it's a good match for Kindle. The Kindle really is a content consumption platform, not a content creation platform (you read, not write, on it). I can see a Twitter client working, however, since 140 characters is about the most I'd ever want to type on a Kindle keyboard. I think Amazon is conscious of this, as they are avoiding the term "app" in favor of "active content."

    In any case, the Kindle's very slow refresh rate poses UI challenges that haven't really been faced before. I'm interested to see how developers contend with it. Another possible issue is battery life. The Kindle's battery is actually very, very small. The reason it lasts so long is that only page turns draw current, and even then only a small amount of current, and then you have to read a whole page before you draw current again. If you're refreshing every three seconds instead of every two minutes, you're going to see a serious drop in battery life, especially if the apps expect wireless connectivity. My two week Kindle battery could drop to two days easily.

    The Kindle for me is still just for reading. While it CAN do email and web browsing and minesweeper, I use my iPhone for all those things. And while my iPhone CAN read my Kindle books, I use my Kindle for that. Reading is so central a part of my life that I'm not willing to sacrifice the quality of the experience on a convergence device- especially one that will start ringing or flash push notifications in the middle of a very suspenseful book.

    But really, the whole thing reeks of Apple envy. This and the royalties change tells me that they feel VERY threatened by the Apple tablet.

    1. Re:Interesting, but I'm skeptical by Brandee07 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because it didn't make it to /. but is relevant: Amazon's Press Release about Royalty Hikes from yesterday.

      Matching Apple's 70% royalties is another major sign of Amazon's Apple envy- but also a strong financial incentive for authors and publishers to be "well behaved" when pricing their Kindle books, as in keep prices lower than paper, offer TTS, etc.

    2. Re:Interesting, but I'm skeptical by Suki+I · · Score: 1

      I was going to mention that too. Thanks! Looks like me and John's other friends have a new project looming, add interactivity to the Suki series. We already have a map and other info. Adding it to the books should not be too hard now.

    3. Re:Interesting, but I'm skeptical by Zerth · · Score: 1

      The Kindle's battery is actually very, very small. The reason it lasts so long is that only page turns draw current, and even then only a small amount of current, and then you have to read a whole page before you draw current again. If you're refreshing every three seconds instead of every two minutes, you're going to see a serious drop in battery life, especially if the apps expect wireless connectivity. My two week Kindle battery could drop to two days easily.

      Turn the page every two minutes? So that's why I don't get the week+ everyone else gets.

    4. Re:Interesting, but I'm skeptical by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Isn't the royalty hike a good thing for authors? Amazon's yelling "hey, don't contract away your digital rights, we'll give you 70% of list, your publisher will only give you 12.5%"

      What percentage does B&N charge on Nook?

    5. Re:Interesting, but I'm skeptical by Brandee07 · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing for authors (more money), for readers (reasonably priced, non-crippled books), and probably good for Amazon (more sales altogether albeit at a lower profit margin). Just because it's a good deal all around doesn't stop it from being a strong sign of nervousness about Apple.

      B&N doesn't offer a self-publishing option, so I couldn't find their standard ebook royalty rates online.

  11. Text adventures by Mr.+Moose · · Score: 1

    I haven't got a Kindle, but if I will be able to play my Infocom text adventures on it, then I might consider getting one.

    1. Re:Text adventures by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would a Z-code interpreter count as a "generic reader" do you suppose?

    2. Re:Text adventures by Mr.+Moose · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's a game interpreter. Contrary to a generic reader, it's not in competition with amazons own business.

    3. Re:Text adventures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some reliable source says a z-code emulator is already ready to go (actually 2). I'd expect to see it.

  12. Apple Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Somebody seems a little threatened by Apple's 'slate' introduction next week...

    1. Re:Apple Competition by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, no handheld device ever ran applications before the Apple "Islate" came along. This vaporware is so good, it can travel back in time, and beat all the phones that were doing it 5+ years ago...

      Really though, the whole of the last decade has been a continual trend of convergence (and even that word was a buzzword for years in the '90s).

      And even if you mean in the sense of people making up claims that the "Islate" will be a colour e-reader, there are already models out there doing that (e.g., the Fujitsu Flepia, released last year). By that, I mean ones actually released, not "rumuoured".

    2. Re:Apple Competition by digitalgiblet · · Score: 1

      I agree with what you are saying, but I think what Amazon fears is the marketing ability of Apple to convince a large number of people to adopt a form factor that has been around for years, but never really caught on in a mass market way.

      A really sharp, clear LCD screen that has color and a fast refresh rate *could* make the eInk eReaders look quaint. Kindle and company will have the lock on battery life, but the various slates/tablets/netbooks will have the lock on versatility. I see Amazon trying to combat that perception.

    3. Re:Apple Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with what you are saying, but I think what Amazon fears is the marketing ability of Apple to convince a large number of people to adopt a form factor that has been around for years, but never really caught on in a mass market way.

      A really sharp, clear LCD screen that has color and a fast refresh rate *could* make the eInk eReaders look quaint. Kindle and company will have the lock on battery life, but the various slates/tablets/netbooks will have the lock on versatility. I see Amazon trying to combat that perception.

      Apart from battery life, you forgot to mention 'price' - I am pretty sure Apple will force me to buy an AT&T data plan (or Verizon or whatever). Currently, Amazon doesn't.

    4. Re:Apple Competition by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Somebody seems a little threatened by Apple's 'slate' introduction next week...

      Or, concerned that the Kindle isn't making as much money as they'd like, and that there are lots of existing, available mobile products that can be used as ebook readers and app platforms (netbooks, smartphones, tablets that consumers can buy today) that compete with it for consumers attention (and, more importantly, money), as well as a number of new announcements of such products that have recently been made (e.g., at CES).

      Not everything in the world is about Apple.

  13. I'm not really sure what good does this do by defireman · · Score: 1

    Isn't the point of the kindle to display static content really well, thus minimizing battery consumption? With games being developed for the Kindle, I can't help but wonder what that does do to the batter life expectancy of the device. On top of that, the Kindle has a monochrome screen - it'd be like shelling out $259 for a game boy all over again.
    Add on the other restrictions, such as no VOIP or no generic reader software, and the whole endeavor seems kinda pointless.

  14. Ob Colossal Cave by djdavetrouble · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

    --
    music lover since 1969
  15. EA Games? by idontusenumbers · · Score: 0

    E-paper: the ultimate in gaming display technology. What's the refresh rate on those, 1hz?

  16. With Kindle you can read Txt files - Nook -Epubs by gadlaw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having both platforms I 'get around' the buy only from Amazon for the Kindle and only buy from Barnes and Noble for the Nook by the fact that the Kindle reads and displays Txt files, reading some Larry Niven right now for the tenth time on my Kindle via a txt file book. (gotta love the Moties books). I can open up the Calibre software and change txt files to epub files that work on the Nook or visa versa. It's all good, neither one is actually locked down when you have Calibre.

    --
    Enjoy your Karma, after all you earned it. Feel your Karma Joe, feel it burn.
  17. Oh boy! by Chas · · Score: 1

    I can haz Madden 2011??
    Or Madden 2012?
    No Madden 2013 because the world's ending but hey...

    Oh yeah, and I can hope that EA puts out NON-SPORTS games and have that futile hope rubbed in my face.

    --


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:Oh boy! by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      Actually you can get Madden 2013 since it'll be released in 2012.

  18. You're Wrong by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:You're Wrong by Ephemeriis · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're Wrong

      No I'm not.

      I said "if you get a Kindle you're largely stuck buying your books from Amazon."

      Look at that link you provided.

      Project Gutenberg is free public domain books... FreeKindleBooks is just the Gutenberg stuff reformatted for Kindle. PDFBooks is the Gutenberg stuff in PDF for the Kindle. World Public Library is just that - a library. The disclaimer on Mobipocket indicates that only demos and free books can be read on the Kindle. ManyBooks is again the Gutenberg stuff. Munseys is more free stuff. MobileRead is free out-of-copyright books. Zinepal is just RSS converted to Kindle.

      So, of that list you provided... You can buy your books from Amazon (380,000 titles) or Fictionwise (no indication of how many titles are available) or Webscriptions (1,000 titles) or Feedbooks (4,000 titles) or Christian Classics Ethereal Library (no indication of how many titles are available).

      Which means that by far the largest retailer of Kindle ebooks is Amazon. You'll notice that there's no mention of any other big-name book retailers on that page, because the Kindle can't read ebooks from Barnes & Noble, nor can it read ebooks from Borders. So, if you've got a Kindle, you're largely stuck buying your ebooks from them.

      Sure, if I just want a copy of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea I've got plenty of choices. I can download it for free from any number of places.

      But if I want to purchase a copy of a new book like Under the Dome, I have to buy it from Amazon.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    2. Re:You're Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While true from a legal point of view, the DRM can be removed from most of the other sellers and the documents can be converted to Mobipocket. I purchased the Kindle after I learned I could download library books and remove the DRM.

    3. Re:You're Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if I just want a copy of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea I've got plenty of choices. I can download it for free from any number of places.

      ...or buy it in several different versions from Amazon.com; the last time I looked, I was offered more than seventy different Kindle versions of Sun Tzu's Art of War, only one of which was free; are you counting the various non-free editions of public-domain works in the books you're "stuck buying from Amazon"? How many of those 380,000 titles are redundant editions of the same public-domain work?

  19. I can see it now... by AverageJoe8686 · · Score: 1

    And the Spike VGA award for the Kindle goes toooo NHL 2010!

  20. EA games? Makes sense by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Seeing as though the Kindle is heavily DRM encumbered, and that EA games are similarly DRM-laden softwares, I guess the target audience for the Kindle would be tolerant of DRM to the extent that EA finds desirable.

    I am not a customer of either Kindle or EA games.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
  21. When did "Hallmark" start developing software?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Maybe you mean HandMark!! :)

  22. Language? by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

    Anyone know what language(s) will be used for app development on this device? Assuming it has a very slow CPU, so Java is probably out?

    1. Re:Language? by Bakkster · · Score: 1

      Java was supposed to have a use for embedded systems where the tasks were consistent but the microcontroller might change. Back in the day, it was VCRs. Now, it might be an e-reader.

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    2. Re:Language? by pcosta · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Kindle application framework is Java based. You write "booklets" that work like Java applets. Under the hood the Kindle runs a Linux kernel, so in theory you could just write native C apps, but I doubt Amazon will give developers access to that.
      Some more info about hacking your Kindle:

      http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/hacking-kindle-part-3-root-shell-and.html

    3. Re:Language? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Kindle interface was written in Java ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9838934-39.html ), so I wouldn't discount the possibility.

  23. Reactionary, not visionary by d23tek · · Score: 1

    I agree that Amazon is reacting to competition, but I don't think it's mainly from Apple as much as from B&N's nook. The iPhone and the Kindle are starting from opposite ends of the spectrum. The Kindle is a gradual technology improvement (debatable) over a paper book, and is slowly growing in capabilities, whereas the iPhone was a fully-loaded device just begging for apps. The iPhone was overbuilt with graphics capabilities, so lots of people saw the obvious possibilities. Consumers and developers begged and pleaded with Apple to LET them develop for the iPhone, and in typical Apple fashion, they kept everybody locked out for a long time just to heighten the anticipation. (You don't really think Apple didn't plan an SDK from the beginning, do you?) I mean, who looked at a Kindle and thought, "Wow, that would be great for games!" ??? As far as I can tell, nobody. Amazon is mirroring the incremental improvements of the early computers- monochrome, small screens, closed systems gradually improve to more shades of grey, larger screens, and somewhat open platforms. Nobody in the market for portable games (or photos, or video, or web surfing) is going to choose a Kindle over, say, and iPod touch or iPhone. No, Amazon isn't reacting to Apple, but is just trying to stay one very small step ahead of the nook. If the Apple tablet does have e-book support, then the Kindle will only be able to compete on price, battery life, and catalog, but it will remain a niche device.

    --
    "Consuming Internet bandwidth since 1991."
  24. What about opening the Java application? by Giordano · · Score: 2, Informative

    One thing that is an absolute pain is that the Kindle has no folder management, and as such, no way to organize the books that are downloaded. Sure, it'll hold 3000 e-books, but try paging through the list. And the startup time is proportional to the length of the list.

    Opening up the e-book application interface would go a long way to getting features that Amazon seems disinclined to provide themselves.

  25. Simple apps, but this could be good. by bhartman34 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see EA Games maybe releasing Scrabble, but I think the big draw for the development kit will be things like notes applications, calendars, and the like. Hopefully a decent e-mail client, too (although I wonder how much they'll allow with the Internet connection, since they're currently footing the bill for Internet charges on the cell radio).

  26. I Don't Believe It by ideonexus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let me get this straight. My Kindle doesn't have the functionality to store my library in categories, meaning I have to hack in metatags on all my ebooks using the note-taking feature and search that if I wan't find just my books on Computer Science or Science Fiction, the recent upgrade to my Kindle allows me to view PDF files, but not zoom in on their page content, meaning I still can't read PDF's on it unless I pack a magnifying glass, and I have no way of exporting the personal notes I take on it to a text file or other non-kindle-readable format.

    I don't mind these shortcomings, because the whole point of my Kindle is not having to reading books on my cellphone or computer monitor, but now I'm supposed to believe I will soon be getting games on this device currently lacking so many basic features? I'm not drinking this kool aide.

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  27. Re: NOT Reactionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you really think Amazon, or anyone, could put together a SDK (KDK) as a reactionary move for the tablet? I've seen job postings for SDK developers well over a year and a half ago (mid 2008), so it has been planned since pretty much the start (6 months after K1 launched).

    I think the Kindle platform is great for reading and will continue to own that realm. Hopefully application developers will realize this and cater to the device, instead of living up the craze of an app store. As for apple fans, please, just please realize that this is a different device, not meant to be a tablet. Stop trying to compare Apples to ap..Amazon, as they are fundamentally different.

  28. Tetris for an e-ink device by stasike · · Score: 1

    There is an e-ink device called PocketBook.
    http://www.pocketbookreader.com/PocketBook_360.html

    There is version with 5" screen and version with 6" screen.

    Just yesterday I have downloaded a Blockout game for my PocketBook.
    Yes. THAT Blockout - a 3D version of Tetris.
    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=sk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://bookfast.org/category/pocketbook/programs&twu=1

  29. Everybody is so terrified of personal computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It started with the video game consoles. And that turned me off of video game consoles. (Nintendo was my first corporate enemy, even predating my hatred of Microsoft.)

    I thought it was dead, but then Apple came along with their iShit portable devices. That's when I realized the idea never died; I had just kept it out of my life. Now Amazon wants to sell sucky PCs too, where the software market is tightly controlled and the users can't run just whatever they want to.

    Fuck 'em. The personal computer revolution is not dead, and you cockroaches are going to be up against the wall some day. Anything your iKindle can do, my generic programmable thing can do better so that's where all my money goes. You don't get a fucking cent.

  30. +1 Funny by WiiVault · · Score: 1

    Apparently the mods didn't get the joke...

  31. Technical Details? by Jonathan+A · · Score: 1

    The article seems to be pretty light on technical details. I wonder what the API will be like. What language will they use? What kind of application framework will be available? Will they develop their own IDE? How much access does the developer have to the hardware? How does the developer distribute software for testing?

    Perhaps all of these questions and more will be answered in the next episode of Soap?

    1. Re:Technical Details? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is that I'm watching the 3rd season now since I received the 4th season for Christmas (I've watched the 1st and 2nd over the past few weeks when I have time).

      Still fricking hilarious!

      [John]

      --
      Shit better not happen!
  32. Re:Nook Competition by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

    I doubt it is Apple, they don't have book content or a all that desirable of a brick and mortar presence. Barnes & Noble is a content provider, and being a droid, has a development kit and a emulator so it will have apps in no time. Having a small LCD and 802.11 to play with will give it a (IMHO) huge advantage.
    I could see the nook e-reader add-on to any game/game system. since it has 802.11 wireless it could easily be a extra screen. This would be very handy for multi-player games, IE select your plays for football without the opponent in the same room seeing your options. Pass it around for any time of strategy/puzzle game. Or just have it giving extra directions or tips.