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Deadline For Data.gov Arrives, and Delivers

inKubus writes "According to a story carried by AP, as part of President Barack Obama's 'Open Government Directive,' the 24 major departments and agencies that make up the executive branch of the federal government had until Friday to release at least three 'high-value' data sets. Over 300 new data sets have been released on data.gov. There's a lot of interesting stuff on there and more to come." One of the departments required to release data is the office of the US Trade Representative. Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA negotiating drafts?

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  1. Publishing the ACTA negotiations by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA negotiating drafts

    Meanwhile, back in reality...

    1. Re:Publishing the ACTA negotiations by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Want to buy a bridge?

      The portions that have been leaked (and not denied) do not confirm that as the reason. Citizen outrage appears more likely.

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    2. Re:Publishing the ACTA negotiations by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to what I've read, that is exactly why it's behind closed doors. Apparently the first thing that happens is each country makes ridiculous claims, and they ask for ridiculous deals, and then they slowly work their way back to reality. If it was all in the public eye, everything would be nice and politically correct, but they would never agree or disagree on anything for fear of exposure and they would never get to the guts of the treaty in the public eye. Really disingenuous that they are only inviting those pushing for the treaty and not those that are against such legislation. Makes the discussion and perspective rather one sided.

      Does anyone know if this will be an 'executive' treaty, or one that will have to be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate? I can't imagine that regardless of what goes behind closed doors, the voting public will be too kind to any politician that sells it's citizens down the river.

    3. Re:Publishing the ACTA negotiations by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, government works for you!

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  2. We gave US the Beatles and all we got was data.gov by theodp · · Score: 3, Interesting
  3. Chinese hackers are in deep trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    When their bosses find out the information they have spent months hacking for is on data.gov.

  4. Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA negoti by KermodeBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA negotiating drafts?

    Wouldn't it be nice if they televised the entire health care bill debates on C-SPAN as they said they were going to?

    Transparency my ass.

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  5. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Transparency my ass.

    Indeed. Although I can't really say that anyone really feels nostalgic for the "transparency" of the Bush administration either.

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  6. Re:We gave US the Beatles and all we got was data. by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

    that type of data is wheelie useful

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  7. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Bush Admin was transparent. Many people could see right through their plans.

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  8. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Republicans hide the truth, Democrats just flat out lie. It always amazes me to watch each new generation hit their 20s and think 1 party is going to fix all the evil of the other... only to find out 8 years later they had the same plan all along. Tax the fuck out of you and hold onto power. They have no other goal.

  9. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And they would have, if the Republicans had ever shown one bit of being willing to debate. When a major political party's response is "no, just no, I don't care what we said we'd say yes to, we're saying no even if you take our 2004 platform and make it your health care reform", there really isn't any debate to broadcast.

    If that's all it was, they'd have been delighted to televise the debate, since it would have made the Republicans look really bad.

    Personally, I believe they didn't televise the debate because they really didn't want to show the House and Senate leadership bribing their own side to vote for the bills. After all, if the Health Care Bills were so wonderful, why would you need to bribe guys in your own Party to vote for them?

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  10. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by aynoknman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all, if the Health Care Bills were so wonderful, why would you need to bribe guys in your own Party to vote for them?

    Anyone who has lived in a jurisdiction with corrupt officials will tell you that bribery occurs not because whatever you are being bribed to do is a bad idea, but because you have the power to withhold whatever the briber wants. Bribery is about power not goodness or badness of the behaviour you are being bribed to do.

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  11. How accurate are these data? by cvd6262 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've consulted with major research firms who use government data. Universally we find that the data haven't been verified and a little work shows massive inconsistencies therein. When recovery.org was showing jobs in zip codes that don't exist, etc., I wasn't surprise - it's par for the course.

    I'll reserve judgment, but making data available is one thing; collecting usable data is something entirely different.

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    1. Re:How accurate are these data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is also the matter of state and local government data. The feds are completely transparent by comparison. Even the things that are in the public record are difficult to obtain, expensive, poorly documented, and the data is a mess etc. The "cost of reproduction" is closer to what it would cost to be transcribed on parchment by monks than it is to the cost of making a CD/DVD or FTP. At the drop of a hat they will decide that something _isn't_ public record and then it goes from difficult to impossible, although that data often sneaks out the back door and is available, even older and messier than ever. Or they decide that it has "commercial value" so they charge 10 times more than a business could afford to pay and have a workable business model around it. The state and locals just don't get it. Whole industries have been built on fed data from NASA, USGS, US Census, NOAA etc. and local businesses would benefit from better access to local data as well.

    2. Re:How accurate are these data? by nemoest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because there is obviously a problem with making all these inaccurate data sets public as opposed to keeping them locked up.

      I think part of the point is with more transparency in Government it makes it easier for the public to be aware of and fix what is wrong.

  12. One difference by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republicans tax poor people by eliminating social services and giving tax breaks to the people who don't need them. Democrats tax rich people to pay for social services for poor people.

    This was going alright - both parties have interests in the society, and there was a balance of power. Then the conservatives started losing ground, and had a miraculous conversion. Turns out there are 40 million Americans who will vote against their own interests at the drop of a hat, if you'll call yourself an evangelical. You may have to do a lot of embarrassing things - pretend you'll overturn Roe v. Wade, praise hopeless idiots like Pat Robertson, pretend that gay people are "evil", and so on. Corporations will give you the money to promote yourself this way, to defeat working class (or "union") money, in exchange for tax cuts at any cost, even during wars.

    All of this is perfectly illustrated by the last decade of John McCain. If his VP running mate hadn't been so shockingly stupid, he would have given Obama a run for his money.

    Sorry for the nuanced approach. I know it's terribly unpatriotic.

    1. Re:One difference by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Democrats tax rich people to pay for social services for poor people.

      So so naive.

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    2. Re:One difference by copponex · · Score: 2, Informative

      Republicans tax poor people by eliminating social services? Since when is NOT gifting charity to the recipients suddenly a tax? By what right should the government gift them anything while forcing others to pay for it? You really call the decision to discontinue charity as a tax?

      Social services are not gifts or charity. They are the shared benefits of civilization and infrastructure, and a recognition that the market does not have just solutions for every situation.

      Spoken like a true Marxist. Need as defined by who? What the heck does need have to do with it? Just because someone manages to acquire, without committing a crime, more than another person they should be forced to give it up? By what right should the government take from one person and give to another when no theft or other crime has been committed?

      The infrastructure and shared wealth of a society provides opportunity for success. Liberia is not home to any technology firms because it lacks the infrastructure to support one. Infrastructure is funded by public money. Therefore, if you want to continue to have a civilization, you should pay taxes. How much from whom is certainly a valid debate, but one it seems you wouldn't be capable of having.

      Democrats tax anyone who makes anything and wastes most of it on operating the government, sending a small percentage of the budgeted money to the recipients.

      On this we can sort of agree. Much of the money in the Federal budget is wasted on the military and the loans we have to pay off from previous wars. I say wasted, because although it provides jobs, the end result isn't really an investment. You can't do anything with a laser guided missile after you've paid millions of dollars for it, except use it to kill someone, or sell it to someone you'll probably have to disarm down the road.

      They just do it under the "from those who have more than they need to those who don't" argument. I'll ask again, how do you decide when someone has more than they "need"? Who's the determiner? Why should those people be punished for success by having the fruits of their efforts taken from them?

      Progressive tax rates are determined by the congress, who are elected by us. They are adjusted every year for inflation, and are based on the idea that taking 1/3 of someone's check who makes $250,000 a year is less damaging than taking 1/3 of someone's check who makes $25,000 per year.

      If you think seeing a tax rate increase from 28% to 31% for income above $80k is punishment, or from 31% to 36% for income above $170k, or from 36% to 39.6% for income above $370k... well, forgive me for saying you're just being a bitch. Love it or leave it, right?

      Incidentally, current tax rates are much lower. Those are the "Clinton" tax rates that apparently terrify you, I guess because balancing the budget isn't important these days, even if we should have raised taxes instead of lowered them after we decided to go to war. I really think McCain said it best: "The tax cut is not appropriate until we find out the cost of the war and the cost of reconstruction."

      During his Presidential run in 2000, his commercial said:

      "There’s one big difference between me and the others. I won’t take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy. I’ll use the bulk of the surplus to secure Social Security far into the future to keep our promise to the greatest generation.”

      Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Greatest Generation? Fuck those old people. I need a second home in Aix-en-Provence.

      Oh, Jesus, let me put that into Conservative Outrage: "I don't need anyone stealing my hard earned money just because they're lazy welfare recipients who just don't want to get jobs!"

  13. Re:We gave US the Beatles and all we got was data. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We gave the US the Beatles and all we got back was this lousy data.gov site.

    And the Beatles' music was based on American blues, pop, folk, R&B and rock'n'roll, so I'd say we're just getting back what was ours to begin with, albeit with poncy Brit accents and funny hairdos.

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  14. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obama made the promise, Congress is failing to uphold it. I don't see a problem here.

    What I do see a problem with is that I contacted my Congressguy McConnell to let him know that my Crohn's disease leaves me deciding to live a relatively normal life with huge debt, or a debilitating painful existence, and his discussions will affect my own personal future far more than it will affect his personal career, and I would appreciate being able to follow it.

    I got no response, from my rep, on the most important issue of the decade (to most Americans anyway - as bad as numbers seem, the financial meltdown, terrorism, and 9/11 combined don't impact a small percentage of those potentially affected by health care).

  15. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Republicans hide the truth, Democrats just flat out lie.

    They're only doing what their corporate masters pay them to do.

    Why do you think that every single lawmaker who's in office for more than 10 years leaves as a multi-millionaire? Certainly not on their congressional salaries.

    Until we take corporate money out of politics, neither party will be any good, and our real incomes will continue to fall as they have for the past 30 years, since Ronald Reagan took office.

    Transnational corporations love it when we spend more than we make. Then, we become more desperate to hang onto jobs no matter how bad the pay and working conditions, and thanks to easy credit, we continue to buy their goods and services. Admittedly, the whole system crashes and burns eventually, which we are seeing with the world economic crisis, but when it does, the corporations will have the resources to start over, and workers will be in an even worse position to negotiate fair wages and decent working conditions.

    I'm betting that if you asked Slashdotters if the working hours and conditions at their jobs are getting better or worse, you'd see that they are universally getting worse while their credit card balances are getting bigger. And it's not just big-screen plasma screen TVs that are going on those credit cards, but basic necessities like health care, education, food and shelter. This system lets us think our standard of living is getting better, while we only fall deeper and deeper into debt to our bosses.

    The citizens of america.com really do owe their souls to the company store. We should just change the name of our country to AmeriCo.

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  16. Re:Wouldn't it be nice if they posted the ACTA neg by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone who has lived in a jurisdiction with corrupt officials will tell you that bribery occurs not because whatever you are being bribed to do is a bad idea, but because you have the power to withhold whatever the briber wants. Bribery is about power not goodness or badness of the behaviour you are being bribed to do.

    Which makes the Democrats (the Party of the People) look even worse. You're not doing the work of "the People" when you require a bribe to do your job....

    Note that this is not meant to imply that the Republicans don't take bribes. Though I don't recall a case where a Republican majority leader had to bribe his own guys to get them to vote for the Party's bill.

    Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that I've never heard of it.

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  17. Re:Download Formats by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Funny

    Chinese hackers.

  18. Re:We gave US the Beatles and all we got was data. by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And...now I guess you expect somebody to list all the influences on blues, pop, folk, R&B and rock'n'roll from "outside" of US?

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