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Humans Nearly Went Extinct 1.2M Years Ago

Hugh Pickens writes "Scientific American has a story on researchers from the University of Utah who have calculated that 1.2 million years ago, at a time when our ancestors Homo erectus, H. ergaster, and archaic H. sapiens were spreading through Africa, Europe, and Asia, there were probably only about 18,500 individuals capable of breeding in all these species together (PNAS paper here). Pre-humans were an endangered species with a smaller population than today's gorillas and chimpanzees. Researchers scanned two completely sequenced modern human genomes for a type of mobile element called Alu sequences, then compared the nucleotides in these old regions with the overall diversity in the two genomes to estimate differences in effective population size, and thus genetic diversity between modern and early humans. Human geneticist Lynn Jorde says that the diminished genetic diversity one million years ago suggests human ancestors experienced a catastrophic event at that time as devastating as the Toba super-volcano in Indonesia that triggered a nuclear winter and is thought to have nearly annihilated humans 70,000 years ago."

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  1. "Nuclear" Winter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ... is either a thoughtless use of words or pathetic effort to sensationalize. Neither is flattering.

    1. Re:"Nuclear" Winter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The effects might be similar, but the fact remains that they're different things. The end effect of a brain aneurism is also "nearly identical" to being shot in the head - you die due to loss of brain function. There's nothing "nuclear" about climatic changes brought about by volcanic activity. It's a thoughtless grasp for "gee-wiz" vocabulary, and thus bad journalism.

    2. Re:"Nuclear" Winter by Bakkster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree that it's a totally inaccurate term (unless the disaster were a criticality event of an underground uranium reservoir, or similar) it's also the simplest way to get accross to a non-technical public the intended image. I don't expect them to use the term 'catastrophic clamactic event' in a flowing sentence. A better phrasing would have been "nucler winter-like disaster" or "a 'nuclear' winter", though.

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    3. Re:"Nuclear" Winter by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Damn you, I actually tried looking those up.

    4. Re:"Nuclear" Winter by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An equally valid hypothesis is that there was no environmental change, but that in an otherwise genetically diverse population one small group gained a genetic competitive advantage over other proto-humans and began to multiply wildly, killing off or starving out the rest of the gene pool

      World wide? That's not an equally valid hypothesis.

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  2. This means ... by BlackPignouf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this means that we're really all brothers and sisters, right?

    1. Re:This means ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only if you believe in evolution. Or creation.

    2. Re:This means ... by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ones that died had wings, could shoot laser beams out of their eyes, and could mind meld using their ponytails. And all we got was 'intelligence' and 'humor' and looking over the unwashed masses, I see not even most of us got that. Bah.

  3. Do the same tests on different species by CubicleView · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There should be some sort of correlation in the results.

  4. say that to the tasmanian wolf by chichilalescu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (not trying to rain on your parade or anything)
    Back on topic. Humans nearly went extinct during the nuclear missile crysis... In terms of survival requirements, we should have already sent a few groups to the moon and mars.
    People enjoy watching disaster movies like 2012 (I saw it as a comedy myself), but they should realise that focusing all your resources (as a species) on "I want a TV in every room" is a losing strategy.
    If I had the money, I would be long gone. "Yes, 21st century society is very advanced and we have everything we need, but if they have a power outage or similar in a hidden bunker in Russia, we all die".

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    1. Re:say that to the tasmanian wolf by corbettw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Humans nearly went extinct during the nuclear missile crysis [sic]

      Nuclear war would not have wiped out humanity. It could've killed tens of millions of people immediately, and maybe hundreds of millions more after two years of poor crops and contaminated water, but large pockets would've survived pretty much unscathed. Most of South America, Africa, and Australasia (with the obvious exception of Australia itself on the coasts) would not have been hit at all, in all likelihood. And life would've been rough for those people for a few years, the earth has phenomenal ability to heal itself. Hell, people live in Hiroshima and have picnics at ground zero; I hardly doubt later nuclear weapons would've had longer-lasting effects than the first weak, but extremely dirty, bombs did.

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    2. Re:say that to the tasmanian wolf by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Insightful

      With all due respect, everyone who survives off of the charity of others is a basket case. Any inbred hillbilly hicks who are too cowed and spineless to demand fair prices for their time and effort, and are instead prepared to beg handouts from the state, are going to be boned when the zombies come.

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    3. Re:say that to the tasmanian wolf by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      TV? Who still has a TV?
      I thought the Internet solved that one...

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  5. Insightful Troll! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If this is a troll, it must be a kick-ass troll ...

    I think parent poster should be getting insightful instead; talking about not trusting blindly; even if it is science ...
    It's only with an open mind, more options can be found. Remember; there used to be science about the earth being flat ages ago.

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    1. Re:Insightful Troll! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this is a troll, it must be a kick-ass troll ...

      I think parent poster should be getting insightful instead; talking about not trusting blindly; even if it is science ... It's only with an open mind, more options can be found. Remember; there used to be science about the earth being flat ages ago.

      "not trusting it blind, even if it is science", "open mind", "science used to be wrong" etc are expressions and phrases very heavily overused by creationists. He gives the game away by saying things like, "I used to be an Atheist", "science wants simple answers", "Science is as irrational as Wahhabism". It is very difficult to tell a troll from a true believer in Creationism. If Creationist walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, let us just call him a duck and be done with it.

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  6. Re:The new dogma of genetics by SpeZek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yet, as we're discovering, "junk" DNA is really a misnomer.

    It was never meant to denote that it did nothing, just that we hadn't discovered its function yet, so it got put aside for the moment.

  7. Re:Pfft... by xouumalperxe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, the whole race started from just two people, right?

    More like from a guy having sex with his rib.

  8. Re:There's a message in this somewhere by MattSausage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not. Well done sir!

  9. Re:Summary is wrong by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, the idea that the "effective" population of today's human race is only 10,000 is the most disturbing thing in the article. If that's true then the vast majority of us are not contributing anything worth noting to the gene pool. That's not a very nice thought.

    Other species would develop thicker fur in colder climates. We simply wear thicker clothes. It's not like all diversity is necessary or useful for people that reshape the environment to fit them instead.

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  10. Re:volcanic eruption == "nuclear winter"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, maybe you should learn to read and pick up a science book.

  11. Re:Pfft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You call a book evidence? How is a book evidence? So, if I write a book refuting your book, then do I negate your evidence? Funny how you call a book that contradicts itself evidence, but real evidence you call pseudo-science because it doesn't fit your belief.

  12. Re:Pfft... by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Christians? I thought Genesis was a Jewish story, first.