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Prison Bans D&D For Mimicking Gang Structure

Trepidity writes "In a case that has been winding its way through the courts for a while now, a Wisconsin prison banned inmates from playing Dungeons & Dragons, using the justification that 'one player is denoted the Dungeon Master... [who] is tasked with giving directions to other players... [which] mimics the organization of a gang.' The prison also cited some sparse evidence that a handful of non-inmate D&D players once committed some crimes that allegedly were related to their D&D playing. On Monday the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the regulation (PDF) against challenges from inmates. The court appeared skeptical of the ban, sarcastically referring to it as the 'war on D&D,' but upheld it nonetheless as having a 'rational basis.' Law professor Ilya Somin suggests that the court may have had no choice, given how deferential rational-basis review usually is."

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  1. Re:Should they be playing games in prison, anyway? by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most prisons have some leisure time alloted, which wasn't really at issue here--- the warden had no problem with there being leisure time, he just didn't want D&D played during that leisure time. The prison appears fine with inmates watching TV or reading books or playing chess or whatever during that time.

    Mostly what caught my eye is the absurdity of "D&D has a dungeonmaster who gives orders, which is like a gang" rationale. There might be some good reason prisoners should have less leisure in general, or should be prohibited from playing D&D in particular, but that particular reason is pretty absurd.

  2. Re:Is it just D&D ? by Alex+Belits · · Score: 5, Informative

    It took me until the end of the comic to realize it wasn't a joke. WTF?

    THIS IS WHAT CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

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  3. Re:Is it just D&D ? by Vexar · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is a debate over "fun" versus paying a debt to society and investing in the social adjustment that is supposed to improve a criminal's ability to return to society. You can't fight D&D. It is paper and pencil and dice, or it is excellent memory skills, and any number of ways to generate a random number. Flutter a few scraps of paper to the ground, or a dried leaf. Which end is up determines the number value. Strategy, chance, and imagination. That's where the fight really is.

    Do these elements show socialization skills? Cooperative ability? Evaluation of morals? Imagine if the prison ruled that all players must be Lawful Good. All these scenarios acted out in imagination helps decision-making, provided there's a good GM in charge of player role accuracy. I actually think role-playing games could be very useful. Role-playing is quite useful in psychological counseling, is it not?

    If I were imprisoned, I'd consider it a significant investment in an opportunity to work hard on improving myself, so as to no longer be a detriment to society. I would certainly not expect to be permitted to write Mein Kempf, or plot my next Una-Bomber attacks, much less communicate with folks on the outside to plot the next tragic act in my Jihad against the Great Satan.

    Prison should be about rehabilitation, not detention. In there, it is a battle for hearts and minds on an individual level, and the treasure of redemption. I say someone takes the fight into the dungeons, and helps slay the dragons on the inside of every man's heart.

  4. Re:Is it just D&D ? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Fundamentalist" is not an inherently negative term. The term actually originates due to a series of essays entitied "The Fundamentals" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fundamentals published around 1900 which argued for a return to fundamental forms of Christianity. They were actually surprisingly modern. For example, they were more or less ok with an old earth and somewhat ok with evolution. So just because someone self-identifies as a fundamentalist does not mean they are a raging nutcase.

    More generally, just because someone considers themselves to be a fundamentalist in a general sense is not a reason to stop being a fundamentalist. They may simply understand that their beliefs are classified as such and also think that those beliefs are simply correct. The fallacy of equating fundamenalism to being wrong is the same as equating extremism in general to being wrong. How extreme a view is is not intrinsically related to how correcr it is. In 1820 anti-slavery sentiment in the United States was an extreme belief. In 1600, heliocentrism was an extreme belief. Arguments of the form "X is extremist or fundamenalist so X is wrong" simply don't hold water.

  5. Re:Is it just D&D ? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

    because let's face it, crime is at an all time high,

    A commonly held misbelief.

    According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, crime levels are at about 79% of what they were in 2006. Or about 84% of what they were in 2005. There was an uptick in crime in 2001, but other than that, crime has been declining pretty steadily since 1986.

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