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DRM Content Drives Availability On P2P Networks

jgreco writes "The music industry once feared that going DRM-free would drive a massive explosion of copyright-infringing music availability on P2P networks. Now, a new study seems to suggest otherwise. The answer is obvious: if you can easily get inexpensive DRM-free content that works on your devices through legitimate channels, most people won't bother with the headache of P2P networks. It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM. The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion."

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  1. and it's not just the music industry... by DarkSabreLord · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?) come away with the obvious conclusion as well? DRM doesn't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product, people who illegally obtain things don't have to deal with such inane restrictions

    1. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by LordAndrewSama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps restricting the legitimate purchasers is the new reason for adding DRM. I'm sure game publishers like wiping out second hand sales, making people buy the same game twice for different computers, forced obsoletion, etc etc. They probably just use piracy as a cover, write off the 'losses' from piracy, then make money from well and truly shafting the purchasers.

    2. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Informative

      How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?

      Sorry to pick on your post in particular, but how many years will it be before Slashdotter's stop trusting the editors and reading the contents of the article. We're quick enough to pounce on poor logic when some poor creationist wanders in here, but things like this get waved through? For the benefit of those that are article-phobic, the methodology used is as follows: Count all the files available on a torrent network (not accounting for quantity of downloads at all, mind you, just whether they're available) and classify them according to type. Notice that music makes up 10% of the counted file types and movies and TV shows 46% of the file types. State that music can be purchased DRM free online and state that movies cannot be, and conclude that this is the reason why. There are various other throwaway misdirections such as "music used to be the only reason to use P2P". Well, we didn't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips, did we?

      Does Slashdot have a maximum post size, or shall I list the reasons what's wrong with all this article? Any statisticians want to take some cheap shots? :)

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    3. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by maxume · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's the only good use case for DRM: it lowers the value of the content, so you can charge less for it.

      Not that many content distributors seem to have embraced this though.

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    4. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by msclrhd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We'll see what conclusion Ubisoft comes to.

      The sad thing about this is that if you have a good quality product that meets the consumers needs and is at an affordable price, then people will buy them. People these days have many different media devices (desktop, laptop, portable media player, car stereo/player, netbook, ...). Most of these will have their music on their computer, synced to their portable media player and car, possibly backed up to an external drive.

      With software, restrictive DRM will only push people away. For example, I have moved over to Linux, but still play games through Wine. I try out (and regularly buy) several casual games and some of the bigger ones as well (like StarCraft). DRM on this software will make it harder to run on this platform, and will drive me away from those companies. For example, I don't buy any Oberon Media games anymore, but look to Awem Studios and Big Fish Games for the casual games that I play/buy.

    5. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, it is sooo fun to pay $50+ for something that doesn't actually work (warning: language NSFW, but can you blame him?). And be sure to pay close attention to the shelves behind him. Notice what is on those shelves? See the thousands of dollars worth of games the guy has bought, only to have the vast majority not actually work?

      I won't even buy at release anymore, because running a 64bit OS I have gotten that stupid "Insert disc in drive E:" bullshit (It IS in Drive E: you stupid &%^$^$&^$! And why did I buy big honking hard drives so your stupid company can make me change discs like a PlayStation anyway?) one time too many and now refuse to touch any game that I don't already have the cracks sitting on my hard drive ready to go. Is it any wonder why people pirate? Your DRM don't work morons!

      And the worst part? The part that feels like a big kick in the nuts? It does NOTHING to stop piracy, it simply screws up your machine! Working PC repair I have thrown away more customers drives because the stupid DRM decided they must be a "filthy pirate" for daring to have a DVD burner (who doesn't nowadays? Hell even the shitty Dells come with DVD ROM/CDRWs now) or two drives and thrown one or more into PIO mode and burned them smooth up, meanwhile the pirates are laughing their asses off because unlike my retail discs which want me to keep switching discs and jumping through flaming hoops only not to work a good 60%+ of the time, their pirate versions actually work. No need for discs, or jumping through hoops, or DRM that can make your PC more unstable than Win98 with a bad VXD driver, nope, theirs just works. And they wonder why there are so many pirates? Try not kicking your customers in the balls, how about that?

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    6. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They counted the number of files, not the size of the downloads. If size was a factor, it would follow that there be far more music data shared than video - but there wasn't. Music is almost non-existent when compared to video, at least when looking at data. Even if it's a full album, that's still only 150mb compared to a minimum of 300mb for an hour-long tv program.

      The lack of data on how many were downloaded is problematic, but would you like to propose a methodology for determining the number of downloads? The best you can do is record the number of seeders over the life of the torrent, but you can't make any statistical claims from the data without downloading each file yourself and seeding it for a while. In fact, you would need to download it several times to get a feel for how much data, on average, the seeders gave, and how long seeds and leeches remained in the pool.

      Even then, I would expect there to be no relation between the amount of time someone might seed a legal download vs. an illegal one, and even different illegal media would likely exhibit wildly different seeders.

      I would expect, for example, to find that Battlestar Galactica would have a very different seeder demographic than Friends, and I don't think you could guess downloads on the other by looking at the one.

    7. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by morcego · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DRM is just part of this race to P2P.
      I always payed for my EBooks. They were cheap and easy. I get them in a few seconds, instead of having to wait days for delivery.
      Ok, I live outside USA, so ordering paper books is always a exercise in patience.
      Now, the last time I tried to buy an e-book, I've got a message I could not buy it because I was outside the USA. It was a restriction imposed by the publisher. Now:
      1) I can't get those in my country
      2) Even if I could, it would be a translated version (which sucks)

      So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book. Took me 5 minutes, tops and, since I could not download that single ebook, I ended up downloading (and reading) other books by the same author.

      I WANT to PAY for my content. But things get to a point where they simply won't take my money. And then they complain about piracy. It is just ridiculous. I contacted the bookstore and even the publisher to try and sort this out, but simply could not BUY the ebook.

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    8. Re:and it's not just the music industry... by tsm_sf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pirates are, by definition, people who take something without paying for it.

      I think you'll find that they copy something without paying for it. That's not a trivial distinction, no matter what some people want you to believe.

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  2. Correlation != Causation... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Basically, this is based on the correlation that "hey, most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv, porn, and software, almost no pirated music" and "you can get DRM-free music easily, but not movies/tv, porn, and software" as implying "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff".

    Unfortunately, there are two problems here:

    a) Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL. BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.

    b) A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?

    Correlation does not mean causation.

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  3. A note about the study by Andorin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lest anyone think that TFA is saying that BitTorrent is used almost exclusively (to a degree of 99%) for copyright infringement, remember that this study focused on DHT-based, trackerless torrents. Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers. There's no reason for them to use DHT. So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content.

    Also, the bit about DRM doesn't surprise me one bit. Nobody likes DRM except rights holders. It causes many more problems than it solves (which are very few already), not the least of which is perpetual content control even after the copyright expires. Far from banning circumvention of it, we need to heavily discourage (or outright ban) the use of DRM as we know it.

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  4. Paying by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not necessarily mind paying for music. I do mind being told what type of device I can play my music on. That, my friends, is tyranny. This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk. We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it. This is very much like purchasing a car, truck, or motocycle and customizing it. We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it (legally) to ways we see fit. In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.

    1. Re:Paying by Angst+Badger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That, my friends, is tyranny.

      And that, my friends, is hyperbole. This is tyranny. Choosing an iPod and iTunes over one of the many unencumbered music players on the market and then bitching about the well-known restrictions it imposes is just ordinary, garden-variety cluelessness.

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  5. Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Lessons by lkcl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold of. thus it is up to the music providers to realise this, take realistic stock, take advantage of the opportunity, and make some money by providing people what they want!

    it is only by NOT selling people what they want (DRM-free music) that they are hurting their profits!

    so this is something that the BBC Trust could learn from, and also the HD video data providers. it's quite simple: there's not really that much difference between music and video. programmes _will_ end up on P2P networks, period. thus there is absolutely no point in driving up the cost of set top boxes by adding in DRM that's going to be bypassed, regardless.

  6. Surprisingly enough, it's true! by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since I discovered that I can "sample" most games and movies on 'torrent, I've downloaded quite a few of them. However, relatively recently I learned about gog.com, and over the 1.5 years since I signed up, I bought 3 of the games (all DRM-free) available there. This is surprising even to me, as games and movies are a luxury for me, at the moment (wife doesn't have a job, so I'm a sugar daddy, even though I'm just a grad student/researcher). Yet gog.com makes it all really convenient: easy to purchase and download, great titles at very affordable prices, already packaged to run on Windows 2000/XP, and I will always have those titles in my online collection, so I can download them on any computer I like. All in all, I think companies that follow their example can make a decent buck.

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  7. What do GNU/Linux users choose? by xiando · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM does not work on some operating systems such as the one I (ab)use. It is so very strange that those who can not use legally purchased DRM content, and in most cases can't even do the legal purchase, look elsewhere.. isn't it?

  8. Lesseee... by cptdondo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I pay for music - because typically I look for specific artists or songs. It's easier for me to find it on Amazon rather than wade through piles of junk.

    I would also like for the music industry to clean up its licensing. Let me buy music that I can play anywhere, in public, to any group of people smaller than, say, 100.

    No strings, no fear, no stupid RIAA tricks. Come on RIAA, make it easy for us to be legal. You make it as hard as possible, with impossible convoluted licensing (you need a separate license for public performance and for copying a CD) so that it's nearly impossible to remain within the licensing restrictions and play the music I like.

    Heck, I could make a strong argument that the music industry licensing is so convoluted that it is impossible to play music and be legal.

    So clean up your act.

  9. Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less by Andorin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think rights holders implement DRM to curb piracy (which it doesn't). I think rights holders implement DRM to make customers pay for the same media multiple times, and/or to tie them to specific devices, software or services. Why else would they be pushing it despite the fact that all DRM is cracked sooner or later? "Piracy" is just a convenient excuse.

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  10. A Perfect Example: by nuclearpenguins · · Score: 5, Informative

    So I went out and bought the ultra Blu-Ray edition of the newest Star Trek movie. On the cover it was advertised that it contained a digital copy for me to use. Cool, I thought that I would just put the digital copy on my media server that streams to the various viewing centers of the house.

    No dice.

    The digital copy is DRM'ed up the wazoo, (and the quality is severely lacking) and will only allow itself to be played from certain devices and no streaming allowed. You must also register with the home servers before you're allowed to take the copy of the file off of the disc and it is limited to being on that one hard drive. You cannot reinstall it if you lose your data somehow.

    So what did I do? I "acquired" a Blu-Ray rip .mkv file of the movie. Plays perfectly on everything I want it to.

    Eat me, movie industry. Offer me something that fits my needs, not yours.

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    1. Re:A Perfect Example: by Mix+Master+Nixon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To my shock and amazement, the Region 1 DVD release of the film JCVD from Peace Arch Entertainment has two non-DRM "digital copies", one in MP4 and one in WMV format. Both play fine in Ubuntu and on any device which supports MP4 and/or WMV. It's nice to see a company do this correctly. I've been meaning to write them a thank you note - think I'll do that now.

      I hate the term "digital copy" though. Did DVDs and Blu-rays become something other than digital copies at some point?

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  11. Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less by noidentity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed. It basically comes down to these choices:

    1. Pay for crippled copy of media, and accept that you won't be able to play it on all your devices.
    2. Pay for crippled copy of media, then have to seek out uncrippled one on P2P network in order to play it on all your devices, and be considered a pirate anyway.
    3. Get uncrippled copy from P2P that will play on everything.
  12. Why it Works by CrazyDuke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason why this works is rather simple: It's not a competition between something that costs and something that is free. That is only on the surface. I'll give my own rational: I hear a track I like on the (satellite) radio. Now, I can either spend the next 10 to 15 minutes wading through broken links, abandoned torrents, and spam sites to end up with something that has a high likelihood of not even being the remix or the quality I wanted. I could also run the off chance someone I know already has it and mentions it at some point, then spend a similar amount of time trying to exchange the media. Or, I can go to a central website, spend 5 minutes listening to previews and spend a buck for the track using a low hassle micro-payment system.

    As the saying goes, time is money. If your customers have the disposable income that accumulates at a rate higher than the rate of benefit, they will often choose to spend that income rather than work for a benefit at a lower rate of return. And, then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial.

    Someone mentioned porn? Pay for porn does not work because:
    - It is typically a significant monetary cost, two to three orders of magnitude. It goes from being petty cash to being a discretionary budget item.
    - In the digital form, requires a month to month commitment. Human sexual desire typically involves a lot of spontaneity. You don't marry porn.
    - Shyster websites will often not have the level of content implied and will keep charging customers long after they have terminated your subscription.
    - The catalog is limited from site to site, and people are typically not going to pay the full fee just to see one spread.
    - The record of your purchase is basically public (corporate) information that anyone can purchase.
    - ...which brings me to the public humiliation that is involved in acknowledging one's own sexuality, for IRL or online purchases.

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  13. Open + easy to access = I spend by Turmoyl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I understand what the article is implying. I used to pirate music, but then Amazon came along with decent quality MP3s that I can purchase at a reasonable price through an easy interface, and which play on anything. If I want something that can't be found on Amazon I still go P2P for it, but this activity is lessening as my library becomes more complete and Amazon keeps adding content. I used to pirate movies but then the Roku player came out and I was able to tie our Netflix account right into it. Now I get decent quality movies and episodes on demand, for no more ongoing cost than I was already paying for the Netflix account and an Internet connection. In other words, when things work to my benefit I spend money. When they work towards an evil empire's benefit I do everything I can to rip it off. So if you want me to spend money you've got to let go.

  14. Ode to Content Control by ratboy666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like content
    I used to buy content
    But then you asked for money for every blank

    So fuck you

    I would like to see HD movies
    But you said Macrovision is a must
    And I can't upscale to my TV

    So fuck you

    I bought into HD-DVD
    And picked up a few nice movies
    But the content cartel said no

    So fuck you

    I have divx on every player
    And terrabytes of storage
    But I can't buy movies that way

    So fuck you

    My mp3 player does wireless
    And its legal to share songs*
    But the player won't do it

    So fuck you

    *In Canada

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