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US Dir. of Citizen Participation Patents the News

theodp writes "Ex-Googler and now White House Director of Citizen Participation Katie Stanton is charged with promoting open public dialogues. Last Thursday, Stanton and Google snagged a patent on displaying financial news. Google explains that Stanton's invention — Interactive Financial Charting and Related News Correlation — will 'facilitate and encourage the user's use and understanding of financial information,' which does jibe nicely with Stanton's appointment to Obama's New Media Team. Too bad it'll be encumbered by a Google patent until 2027."

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  1. Prior Art? by longacre · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google isn't the only site that displays news on stock charts this way, and I don't think they were the first.

    Examples:
    SmartMoney
    MarketWatch

    1. Re:Prior Art? by Grond · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google isn't the only site that displays news on stock charts this way, and I don't think they were the first.

      The examples you give don't implement the claimed invention. Look at the way Google Finance renders a stock chart. There is a large detail chart and a smaller chart below it. The smaller chart has an adjustable, slidable 'window' which the detail chart shows in, well, more detail. The broadest claim basically refers to this two chart sliding window approach. There are narrower dependent claims that include the news flags feature, but they necessarily require the two chart sliding window feature as well.

    2. Re:Prior Art? by NoddyK · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This line is from a header file for a charting object we wrote in a windows desktop app written in MFC // Inception - 2.13.96

      It does exactly what is described in the patent, chart with shields on it that you could click to link to corporate events and news stories, a smaller version of the chart with sliders to allow you to set the date range, and so on. Of course, the product is no longer sold, so that properly means you can reinvent the wheel where software is concerned

      Stupid patents

    3. Re:Prior Art? by Grond · · Score: 2, Informative

      It does exactly what is described in the patent...Of course, the product is no longer sold, so that properly means you can reinvent the wheel where software is concerned

      No, you can't, that's the whole point of prior art. Patents do not allow someone to take inventions out of the public domain. It (generally) doesn't matter if the prior art is still on sale or not.

      More specifically, if there was software that did exactly what is claimed in the patent (i.e. is anticipatory prior art), and that software was in public use or on sale in the United States more than a year before this patent was applied for, then Google's patent is invalid as anticipated under 35 USC 102(b). If it didn't quite do what's claimed in the patent, then it is still probably strong prior art for invalidity due to obviousness.

      Unfortunately since the patent has already been granted the Patent Office will only consider prior art in the form of patents and printed publications. Invalidity on the basis of other kinds of evidence, such as a copy of the software, generally only comes up in court cases. Was there a manual for the product that described this feature? Or perhaps an advertisement or product review that described it? Submitting prior art to the Patent Office is free, but whether they act on it is up to them. You can request reexamination, but that's not free.

      If you're interested in submitting prior art to the Patent Office, you should contact a patent agent or patent attorney about preparing the necessary forms and documents.

  2. Misleading title by Wuhao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary doesn't go into specifics as to what has been claimed. Basically, Ms. Stanton worked at Google, and was part of the team that developed Google Finance. What's been claimed here is essentially the placement of flags at points on the stock chart, along with some other specifics of Google's stock chart presentation.

    Laying aside opinions on the patent system and this patent in particular for a second, I would say that the title is highly misleading: the "news" is not patented, nor was the filing made by the named inventor of record in her capacity as Director of Citizen Participation. Google is obligated to list all individuals who played a dominant role in the inventive process, and apparently it was felt that Katie Stanton was just such an individual.

    Since I consider Google Finance to be a fantastically well-designed resource that communicates a lot of data very succinctly, I guess I'd say that this recommends Ms. Stanton's ability to communicate information, even in a very abstract sense. That said, I suspect that this is the last I will ever hear of her, or the office of the Director of Citizen Participation.

    1. Re:Misleading title by Dredd13 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, while we're rattling off the factual errors, she's no longer the Director of Citizen Participation. She moved to a position in the State Department a couple months ago.

    2. Re:Misleading title by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In short, no. Estopel only applies to statements made about your actions. If you say 'I would never sue someone under this law' then that is very different from saying 'I believe that this law is unjust'.

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  3. Patented status (mostly) irrelevant to govt use by Grond · · Score: 4, Informative

    As others have pointed out, this patent is basically describing the sliding, adjustable window and news flags features of Google Finance, so it's unlikely that this patent would play much of a role in Ms. Stanton's new job. But if the government wanted to use the invention described in the patent for some reason, it has an automatic license to do so. 28 USC 1498(a) gives the federal government (NB: not state governments) a license to use any patented invention. The patent owner can sue for reasonable compensation but cannot enjoin the government from using the invention.

    As a side note, 28 USC 1498(b) gives the government a similar right to use copyrighted works. In that case the copyright owner's damages are limited to reasonable compensation plus the minimum statutory damages, so no overinflated damages for government copyright infringement.

    1. Re:Patented status (mostly) irrelevant to govt use by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a side note, 28 USC 1498(b) gives the government a similar right to use copyrighted works.

      Best argument I've heard yet for ignoring copyright! I mean, we are talking about a government by, of, and for the people, right?

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    2. Re:Patented status (mostly) irrelevant to govt use by dissy · · Score: 3, Informative

      As a side note, 28 USC 1498(b) gives the government a similar right to use copyrighted works.

      Best argument I've heard yet for ignoring copyright! I mean, we are talking about a government by, of, and for the people, right?

      I hope not. At this point, a corporation is more of a person than I am in the eyes of the law :{

    3. Re:Patented status (mostly) irrelevant to govt use by Evil+Shabazz · · Score: 2

      Nah, we real people still have criminal law. Wouldn't want to treat corporations equally in that sense, would we! :P

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  4. Nothing to see here by cvtan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So she worked at Google and got a patent in 2006? Nothing unusual about that. Why is this news?

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  5. Guess I Missed the Official White House Tweet by theodp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Right you are...guess I missed the Tweet that announced the move. Was a replacement named?

  6. Google is not a patent troll by marquinhocb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you ever seen Google sue offensively? Cuz I haven't. It seems Google uses their patents for defensive cases (i.e. so someone else can't sue them), not as a patent troll. At least, that's been the rule so far.

    1. Re:Google is not a patent troll by ChipMonk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They also said "Don't be evil," and had an anti-censorship statement in their FAQ, until they decided to go into the People's Republic of China.

  7. Calculating patent term by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

    Patents filed these days receive a 20 year term from the earliest effective filing date. In this case, the application was filed 24 February 2006. That would mean its expiration date (assuming the assignee pays the maintenance fees) would be 24 February 2026.

    However, due to delays by the USPTO, there is a patent term adjustment. The USPTO calculated it at 686 days, which would mean that the patent actually expires (approximately) 11 January 2028.

    Finally, a recent court decision (Wyeth v. Kappos) concluded that the USPTO was calculating patent term adjustment incorrectly. This means that the patent may be due a (slightly) longer adjustment. Ultimately, I'm not entirely sure what the correct expiration date is at this point.

    In any case, the expiration date is definitely not in 2027.

  8. Re:Government Employee? by e9th · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ms. Stanton was working for Google, not the government, when the patent application was filed back in 2006.

  9. so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google isn't the only site that displays news on stock charts this way, and I don't think they were the first.

    since when has that stopped companies from patenting the "technology" they "invented".

  10. Yet Another Smear Campaign On Slashdot (YASCOS) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When employed at Google, Ms. Stanton worked on user interface design, and yes her employer sought a patent for one of her inventions (that she created as part of a team of other workers).
    She was required to assign her interests in the invention to her employer---that's 100% standard.
    I'm not aware of any employer that say: "Oh, if you invent something, you get to keep it or patent
    it yourself, or give it away as you see fit...."

    Does this previous employment, which anyone in their right mind would consider an important
    resume line, now eliminate her from serving in the White House? Does the fact that
    she's creative, and had to earn a living, prevent her from later working in the public
    interest in government?

    We should hope not, since government surely needs talented people.

    Is there some sort of "purity test" implicit in this article? I.e., anyone who has ever applied
    for a patent---either personally (at enormous expense), or because of one's work---is NO LONGER
    qualified to work in any position that lets them give something back to society? I think
    that's the tone of this submission. That's certainly the conclusion one draws from the wording.

    Yes, the patent system is complex, outdated, silly and not what we need. But do you know
    what else we DO NOT need? Patent trolling on slashdot. We also don't need silly
    "purity tests" that only allow patent virgins to work in public office.

    What we DO NEED is talent, creativity and passion in public officials. I'm glad that highly
    talented people like Ms. Stanton can decide to change her career, give up the high paychecks,
    and work in government, serving the public. It's a shame there are idiots (and I use that
    word carefully) who diminish her public service, because she once worked for a company.

    What would the article author have us think? Perhaps only starving artists should serve in
    government? Well, that wouldn't do, since the good ones bother to register copyright on
    their valuable works.... Perhaps that will be the article author's next topic to attack.
    Perhaps then we should have government ranks only filled by those who never held a job in
    a large company, never did anything of value (worth having their employer seek patent protection),
    and never wrote or composed anything of value, else they'd have tarnished themselves with
    a copyright notice.

  11. documenting Obama on http://en.swpat.org by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 2, Informative

        Obama's administration submitted a Bilski brief, and Obama's made a statement about wanting to enforce US patents overseas. I'm starting to document the administration's software patent related stances here :

        swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, help welcome.