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UMG v. Lindor Ends, No Fees, No Sanctions

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The 5-year-old case of UMG Recordings v. Lindor (which we've discussed all those years) has come to a close in Brooklyn, without ever reaching the deposition and document production of MediaSentry. The District Judge denied the RIAA's motions for discovery sanctions but granted the RIAA's motion for voluntary dismissal without prejudice and without attorneys fees, adopting the report and recommendation of the Magistrate Judge."

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  1. Great. by Adambomb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the case is dropped without requiring attorneys fees, adding to the impression that it may be cheaper to pay the recording industry a settlement than have years of legal battle for nothing beyond not having been required to pay the ridiculous punitive damages.

    a clear win for the RIAA gameplan, if not the widest possible margin.

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    1. Re:Great. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if its not considered terribly bad form, i wonder if Mr. Beckerman wouldnt mind telling us the ballpark figure this case cost Mrs Lindor. Or failing that, just the total number of billable hours and a general idea of other costs, monitary or opportunity, that she incurred. If only for a sense of proportion.

      Suffice it to say, it was a terrible hardship on Ms. Lindor and her entire family.

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    2. Re:Great. by wigaloo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regarding attorney's fees, from the decision:

      In addition to the defendant's delayed disclosures, Beckerman, defendant's counsel, adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation (albeit the same can be said of plaintiff's counsel). For that reason alone, his request for attorney's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.

      Why inappropriate? What does Mr. Beckerman's approach have to do with whether or not his attourney's fees -- presumably to be paid by Ms. Lindor -- are to be covered? Surely whether or not the fees are to be paid is a matter of law, and not at the personal discretion of the judge. That the judge is taking out his frustrations with Mr. Beckerman on Ms. Lindor seems wholly inappropriate to me. What the hell is it with the legal system that results in a defendant having to pay when the incorporated plaintiff requests dismissal of the case?

  2. "Without prejudice, without attorney fees... by mmell · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps I'm missing something. Doesn't this mean:

    The RIAA can refile if they wish (no prejudice), and

    Lindor has to pay for his own attorney, UMG is totally off the hook ("no harm, no foul")

    They were right: government of the people, by the people and for the people - but in the court system, big business rulez!

    1. Re:"Without prejudice, without attorney fees... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. This case shows pretty clearly that if you're a big company with enough money, you can trample all over the rights of the public, break the law flagrantly, and still get off scot-free. This was anything but a win for the rule of law. At best, it was a draw.

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    2. Re:"Without prejudice, without attorney fees... by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But some people are more equal than others.

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  3. So fighting off the RIAA carries no costs by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other than an attorney bill that you need to sell your kidney for.

    Yeah, that's going to teach the RIAA not to scare people. :/

  4. Re:finally, by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No fees is sanity? Shouldn't the RIAA have to pay for bringing what seems to be an essentially frivolous lawsuit?

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  5. Re:finally, by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see here: The RIAA has demonstrated that they can roast you slowly in court for years, costing you many thousands in lawyer's fees, and get a dismissal which costs them nothing and allows them to sue you for the exact same thing all over again! Yep, they're in trouble now...

  6. Re:finally, by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shouldn't the RIAA have to pay for bringing what seems to be an essentially frivolous lawsuit?

    Yes.

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  7. Re:finally, by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, true, but MediaSentry doesn't exist in a vacuum. More money paid to lawsuits means either less money to actually spend on artists (and thus, artists leaving to form indie labels), or less money to spend on MediaSentry. Either one is a good thing in the long run.

    More importantly, it would mean the defendant wouldn't have to pay those obscene legal fees, they'd just have to waste a ton of time. So it's not quite a win for the defendant, but it isn't quite what it is now, where a defendant is likely to settle just because their legal fees may well outweigh any possible settlement.

    Finally, if it set a precedent, it would break this habit the RIAA has of simply suing everyone and asking questions later. Right now, it's actually profitable for them to do so, because occasionally they do get a settlement. If it cost them that much more each time they failed, they might pay a little more attention to who they sue in the first place.

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  8. Re:finally, by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What, exactly, did NYCL do that was "unduly contentious?" I don't know.

    Neither do I. Neither did Judge Trager. Neither did Judge Levy.

    Stupid decision? Yes.

    Let us say an "incorrect" decisions.

    Some sort of anti-individual, pro-monopolistic corporation perversion of the legal system conspiracy? No.

    Let me put it this way: undue deference have been paid to the corporate plaintiffs on numerous occasions during this litigation.

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