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A Look Into the Chinese Hacker Underworld
beachels416 writes "The NY Times gained access to a Chinese hacker-for-profit, referred to as 'Majia,' and observed him during one of his nightly 'sessions.' From the article: 'Oddly, Majia said his parents did not know that he was hacking at night [hacking is illegal in China]. But at one point, he explained the intricacies of computer hacking and stealing data while his mother stood nearby, listening silently, while offering a guest oranges and candy.' At another point Majia spoke about the recent Google attacks, and claimed to have particular knowledge of the exact vector used. Nothing too new, but an interesting read nevertheless."
That article certainly puts a new slant on things.
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Chinese authorities shot computer hacker who talked to Western Media.
To sum up the article for those too lazy to read it
A chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night. Likes to stay anonymous and take money from people's bank accounts.
I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?
Harrumph!
A true 133+ |-|4[|3R would never sit around in their mom's house reppin' kuh-nowledge bout no goog hack. They'd be too busy climbing out from under the giant pile of soaked panties they'd have thrown at them.
Dude = fake.
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Another thing, a true "leet speaker" wouldn't have mangled frogging leet hacker the way I did.
Oh well....me goes back to my precious networks...oh, the hacking, it burns....
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Look, its a simple process of elimination. First we coordinate the offender using black-ops satellites circling above the Himalaya. Once the hacker is pin-pointed in his bunker we upload a 'spike' directly to his IP address, which is gained by triangulating his cell phone signature via wi-fi antennas of surrounding Starbucks coffee shops. The 'spike' will immediately disrupt use of his cerebral cortex, thus rendering said malicious and poorly misguided comrade into a defenseless and innocuous teddy bear.
Is kdawson obsessed with China or is kdawson obsessed with a China obsessed NYT?
The article highlights two important facts
1. Fun
2. Profitable
It's been a long time since I broke into my grade school's soda/chips/candy closet from a skylight on the roof. Sitting there drinking soda and enjoying chips, I can clearly remember how exciting (breaking in) and rewarding (chips/soda) it was. Later, I learned to respect other people's property.
So what now? ... expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone. It's very exciting - it's very rewarding. Is it wrong - sure. Are the thieves the ones to blame - no. Not exactly. The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected. It's an ongoing game where we square off with human nature - make it furn for the security side - keep building better mouse traps. Don't like this perspective? Ok - change human nature then. Good luck.
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hackers exist outside of MIT! Still stealing data, still subverting mainstream culture!
film at 11!
Good people go to bed earlier.
cracking is illegal in any civilized country. I am pretty sure that if he spends nights hacking, Chinese authorities won't put him in jail unless he tries to hack something in order to circumvent their controls.
another example of the mainstream not getting it; Hackers are tinkerers, they're good.. Crackers are criminals. Until the media gets it right, how are we to expect the rest to understand?
I guess the NYT needs to attach a disclaimer to the story, because whenever a journalist tries to interview a "hacker" I can't decide to laugh or cry. Something like this would do nicely:
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
Sure, please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name, Address ... Allow six weeks for delivery.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
His C# book on his desk that is.
I didn't see anything in the article about hacking. It all looked like cracking to me.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
"Hacking" has been used in place of "cracking" so many times now that nobody really cares - you can thank mass media and script kiddies for that one.
Just let the original definition die, and use "nifty fix" or something similar when you want to say "hack".
Not if the place you are hacking pays you to do it.
I guess plenty of Slashdotters learned a bit about computing from minor cracks - almost everyone has changed a save game file with a text or hex editor. Insecure network shares at your school network. Getting your neighbors' insecure Wifi passwords, someone probably thinks MAC filtering alone is safe. Modifying Flash games to give yourself 2^31 - 1 points on the high score board. Getting root on random poorly secured UNIX terminals in tech expos. Getting into someone else's IIS and read his local files via the canonical path bug many years ago. etc.
Sure it's not healthy if all you do are these minor thing and you keep doing these stuff for years. But it's a good inlet for kids to learn computing nevertheless.
Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker? Where's his money? Where's his grandiose lifestyle? What is he doing with all those computers he's woven into a bot-net? If he's making all that money, why isn't he spending it?
I wonder if we're making the Chinese Dragon out to be far more fearsome than it actually is. Why exactly should I be afraid of him, and all his Chinese brethren? Yes, they can hack, yes they can start and fight a cyber-war. But I am underwhelmed by their power if all they do is sit there day after day, coding, hacking, "making money", and not doing anything with it. And if they do eventually start and fight a cyber war, then they will end up losing the only medium that gives their life meaning. What happens to these guys when we counter-strike (because I refuse to believe that my fellow Western neckbeards would take a cyber-ass-whuppin' from the Chinese lying down)? When their networks go down and their computers are infected or taken out, what then? I can get up and leave my computer. Can they?
I'm a naive bumpkin most likely, I just fail to see how these guys are so formidable. Pathetic is more like it, like a boxer with a glass jaw. Their greatest strength is actually their weakness.
Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
[hacking is illegal in China]
Um, isn't hacking illegal pretty much everywhere?...
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"Majia" can mean "sockpuppet" in Mandarin.
$ echo "ceci n'est pas une pipe" | sed -Ee 's/(eci n|pas )//g'
i'll tell you all it was not the chinese govt
thats all im going to ever say
and its about as much proof as the "other" side has said.
case dismissed "i don't know who to believe"
What?
...he showed how he hacked into the Web site of a Chinese company. Once the Web site popped up on his screen, he created additional pages and typed the word “hacked” onto one of them.
Perhaps the journalist had no idea how web browsers work...
Perhaps the "hacker" just pressed Ctrl+T then typed:
javascript:document.write('<h1>HACKED</H1>');
into the address bar...(try it)
Point being: The journalist didn't describe "Majia" doing anything that I would consider cracking... From the description given, Majia could have just been updating his own blog.
You can add the word "Hacked" to the top of almost any web page (incuding this one) by pasting this into your address bar:
javascript:b=document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];b.insertBefore(document.createTextNode('Hacked!'),b.firstChild);void(0);
Does that make you a hacker?
To a NYT Journalist, yes.
Actually he is right, though it is more like:
Given the object is of value X (to the individual), the cost of being caught is Y, and the odds of getting caught P;
If X is greater than P*Y, then it is rational to steal the object.
In rational choice theory all decisions, crazy or sane, are arrived at by a 'rational' process of weighing costs against benefits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_choice_theory
Will soon be parting out "Majia" watch your local transplant center for NEW, only slightly used hacker parts coming soon!
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I don't think your analogy is quite right. The man in the story lived in the city, and he's just as vulnerable as I am. Most of his cohorts probably are in cities as well. Those 'desolate' regions that you talk about in China are very desolate. Computers are cheap in the cities, but there's a vast disconnect between the cities and the country. Most country dwellers in China are trying to move to the cities because there's more opportunity there. My point is that this isn't necessarily something to fear.
Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
http://www.cpusa.org/ Leaving in a communist country doesn't prevent from beeing capitalist... And actually... china is getting to be the most capitalist country :P
Oddly, Majia said his parents did not know that he was hacking at night [hacking is illegal in China].
His parents know. If he hacks for money, is up late at night fiddling with computers all the time, and talks about hacking with unusual guests right in front of his mom, she knows what is going on. This is a mother with traditional, conservative beliefs who does not want to be rude and is reluctant to admit that her son is a criminal, so she ignores the entire situation. Not that unusual, and not indicative of some strange counter cultural underworld that is unique to China. Though I'm sure my folks and my friends' parents all thought our blue boxes, black boxes, and mobile (as in, in a car) collections of computers and cordless phones were all for educational purposes back in the day, and the 2600 meetings were just to hang out and drink coffee, since that's what we told them.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
I would say that a good majority of programmers on slashdot could whip up
a quickie trojan or bot in under a hour. The only thing keeping us from doing
so is our respect for the law. These little know nothing turds need some
hard time in a federal pen for a attitude adjustment nothing more nothing less.
I post in Chinese forum, and a guy follow me. I knew it was him despite him changing his ID.
Either he is a hacker, or he is someone who work for the government.
Slashdot, can you offer me advice how to fight back?
...came form this type of guys that were responsible for the attacks, not the Chinese government.
Really, can't you see why this interview happened? Why did the guy do this interview? Why now? What did he gain by it? He was asked by some government guy to do this, so it would make room for them to associate illegal hackers with the attacks.
Please, let the common folk bite this line and sinker, but not inside slashdot.
The fact that one of the few books on this "hackers" desk is a C# book is the surprising part. I wonder how well hacking with C# is working out for him? Lol. Definitely a staged picture. I'm sure it looks good to people who know nothing about computers though.
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
According to the article:
Umm, I attended a major US university and got degrees in computer engineering and computer science. During my senior year, I lived on a dorm floor that was the home of the "computer science learning community", basically where many of the new freshman CS majors elected to live. All of them, every single one, was a gamer, and many were of the stereotypical Dungeons and Dragons, renaissance festival attending, medieval replica weapon carrying, nonbathing comp sci niche. They got into comp sci because they were nerds with very strong interests in gaming, and quickly found out that comp sci was about math and programming, not slacking off playing games. Not one of them it to their sophomore year in computer science (not that no freshman made it, but none of the ones in the learning community did).
I'm sorry NYT, but you are wrong yet again. Having a bunch of gamers does not mean you have a bunch of hackers. In fact, it probably has an inverse correlation, because those who take the time to really master games like WoW, collecting every item and reaching every level, typically don't have the time to become an expert in how computers actually work. No wonder the NYT is going bankrupt... this is about the same level of accuracy we see in their political and economic stories as well.
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
Even NYT is promoting such these activity by such article indirectly for their fame... It is very clear that an intention of a person changes to a Black Hat say an Hacker to steal money after reading this article... The way they convey a message is so stupid they are not realizing the consequence of it.........
s/hack/crack/g