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Studies Find Harm From Cellular and Wi-Fi Signals

Over the years we've discussed the possible health risks of cellphone and other microwave radiation: studies from Israel and Sweden indicating a link between cellphone use and cancer, one from England exonerating cell towers as a cause of "microwave radiation sensitivity," and a recent 30-year Swedish study that found no link to cancer. The question won't go away though. Reader Artifice_Eternity writes "I've always tended to dismiss claims of toxicity from cell phone and Wi-Fi signals as reflecting ignorance about microwave radiation. However, this GQ article cites American and European studies going back decades that have found some level of biological harm caused by these signals. Why haven't they gained more attention? Quoting: 'Industry-funded studies seem to reflect the result of corporate strong-arming. Lai reviewed 350 studies and found that about half showed bioeffects from EM radiation emitted by cell phones. But when he took into consideration the funding sources for those 350 studies, the results changed dramatically. Only 25 percent of the studies paid for by the industry showed effects, compared with 75 percent of those studies that were independently funded.'"

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  1. WooHoo! I'm safe! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Beacuse nobody calls me :(

    1. Re:WooHoo! I'm safe! by brentonboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He was doubting that a hardcore Slashdot reader has any female acquaintances, not that the AC was you.

  2. GQ? by Orp · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know I always go to Gentleman's Quarterly for my journal articles regarding the dangers of electromagnetic radiation exposure.

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  3. "independently funded"? by sznupi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or "in part funded by opponents of radiation"?

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    1. Re:"independently funded"? by electrostatic · · Score: 5, Informative

      The energy of a carbon bond is a few electron volts. IOW, that much energy is needed to cause a chemical change in the molecule.
      The energy of a 2GHz cell-phone photon is about 0.00001 eV. Cell-phone photons cannot cause a chemical change.

      Here's the QM version in more detail http://www.who.int/peh-emf/meetings/archive/valberg_bsw.pdf:
      "A repeatable, explicit, and predictive mechanism capable of producing biologically significant responses (modulation dependent or not) from low-level RF fields has not been found." You can accept quantum mechanics as a valid standard, or you can base your understanding upon who provided the funding.

    2. Re:"independently funded"? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Electrical energy adsorption from a low energy photon is not small. It is zero. A million such photons and it is still zero.

      Quantum mechanics baby.

    3. Re:"independently funded"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doesn't work that way. If the photon doesn't have enough energy to put the molecule into a new state, it simply doesn't get absorbed. There's no difference between one not being absorbed and a billion. Saying that more photons = more energy is like saying that if you have a bunch of red lights and point them all at the same place, they turn blue.

    4. Re:"independently funded"? by bertok · · Score: 5, Informative

      What about 1 million cell phone photons?

      I'll agree that the electromagnetic absorpotion due to a single photon is small.

      But a cell phone release more than 1 photon, and the total energy and absorpotion of the electromagnetic wave is much larger than one photon.

      And might be sufficient to cause heating of tissue and other effects given a sufficient period of direct exposure to a sufficiently strong cell signal.

      It makes no difference. This is a fundamental result that was explained by Einstein about a hundred years ago!

      This is basic, TV documentary level quantum mechanics. Two photons that are too weak individually do NOT add up to a strong photon, contrary to naive expectations based on classic mechanics, where two weak waves can add up to a bigger wave.

      The way to think about it is this: The ability of a photon to break apart molecular bonds is based on either heating or excitation. Heating is classical, but the power levels used by cell phones are far way too weak for this to occur, and humans are water cooled. Excitation is quantum mechanical, and there is a cut-off based on the wavelength of light. Adding two photons will not change their wavelength. Any number of microwave photons added together will not become a UV photon.

      People take far more damage from the Sun than all other sources combined. If you want something to panic about, be more concerned about the huge unshielded fusion reactor that's bathing you in ionizing radiation with a power of hundreds of watts per square.

  4. Anti-science groups fund studies too. by ZuchinniOne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although it can be fair to argue about whether or not the industry studies are biased, I think it goes the other way too.

    There are A LOT of people out there who are 'convinced' that cell phones and wi-fi cause cancer. And it doesn't matter how many studies you show them that it doesn't, they just won't believe you.

    And if you consider that many of these so-called 'independent' studies are in fact paid for by fringe anti-science groups, then perhaps their results are aren't as unbiased as they would have you believe.

    1. Re:Anti-science groups fund studies too. by Zen+Hash · · Score: 5, Funny

      And if you consider that many of these so-called 'independent' studies are in fact paid for by fringe anti-science groups, then perhaps their results are aren't as unbiased as they would have you believe.

      That seems strange - I'm having trouble imaging what an anti-science directed study would consist of. And how unbiased would they have you believe their study is, if it's anti-science by definition? It seems like they would want to show off their own maximizing of bias if it's really anti-science.

      Check with the people behind these sites for some excellent examples:
      http://www.creationstudies.org/
      http://www.creationbiology.org/
      http://www.icr.org/
      http://theflatearthsociety.org/

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  5. Matters not by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It matters not one whit how many studies show result X. What matters is what is shown by peer-reviewed studies done under controlled circumstances and having a significant sample size.

    For example 100 studies done shoddily using sample sizes of 3, 4, and 6 subjects do not outweigh one ten-year study across 1,000 subjects.

    Now just on general principles, if one watt of radio energy was harmful, you'd think that people like RF welders, tower steeplejacks, plasma researchers, and radar disk repairers wolsd be covered in suppurating pustules. But they're not. Even people whose heads are hit by 100 watts of much stronger photons (sunbathers, cowboys), they do just fine.

    So I suggest you use GQ to check up on the latest fashions, maybe not so much on the best science.

  6. Re:Biased Reports? by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It took years to uncover the fraud that it was.

    Yeah right, the Big Money Hippies will be exposed for influencing the studies done by the poor little oil and energy conglomerates.

    The fact that you think global warming is a fraud is a good case study in how money can buy science, and can especially buy people's perceptions of science.

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  7. It's Crap and Here's Why by Shannon+Love · · Score: 5, Informative

    (1) Based on the standard rules of statistical acceptance, a study only has to reach requires a 95% confidence level. That means that 1 in every 20 identical studies will produce a false positive merely by chance. When you have an area of study in which thousands of studies have been done over decades you end up with hundreds of studies reporting positive results just by chance.

    (2) Statistical meta analysis of studies is largely nonsense unless your talking about a field in which nearly identical studies are done over and over again. Usually, when these meta studies hit the media you find they they equally weight to every study regardless of presumed rigor of the studies. In this case, the gold standard is the Swedish study that followed tens of thousands of people over decades. How to you compare that to a study that just data mined a few hundred medical records?

    (3) Exposure to all types of radio range radiation has increased by literally millions of times since WWII. We know spend something close to 3% of our entire energy budget generating radio signals. Yet, in the last 50+ years, cancers rates have not increased and indeed most likely have fallen (especially when you exclude cigarette smoking.

    (4) A a sociological matter, just because a study is not linked to an industry does not mean that the researchers or the people funding them are some how impartial or operating from nobel motives. A lot of people outside of industry have both inherent biases as well as professional and monetary incentive to distort science. Academic today tilt strongly to the left side of the political spectrum and many believe in the post modernist concept that every one has a moral obligation to use whatever power they have, such as that held by respected scientist, to advance their political beliefs. They are inherently hostile to the economically productive. Politicians have incentives to create crises to protect voters from. Trial lawyers stand to make hundreds of millions on law suits and they fund "studies" to contaminate the jury pool. Even competing industries can use studies to undermine competitors.

    We should remember that science has its reputation because it produces the same answer regardless of the individual motives of the people who create it. When someone begins the question the motives of researchers, they are making an implicit statement that they have no science to back their position up and that they must instead fall back to human factors. If you have solid science, then you don't need to smear people's motives and call their integrity into question.

  8. Re:A couple of questions... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's ludicrous. Organic molecules are constantly being bent and deformed due to thermal collisions.

    The basal metabolism of the human body is roughly 120 watts. A couple of sit ups releases far more thermal energy than could be adsorbed by the body from a cell phone.