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Utah Assembly Passes Resolution Denying Climate Change
cowtamer writes "The Utah State Assembly has passed a resolution decrying climate change alarmists and urging '...the United States Environmental Protection Agency to immediately halt its carbon dioxide reduction policies and programs and withdraw its "Endangerment Finding" and related regulations until a full and independent investigation of climate data and global warming science can be substantiated.' Here is the full text of H.J.R 12." The resolution has no force of law. The Guardian article includes juicy tidbits from its original, far more colorful, version.
Can someone tag this "suddenoutbreakofcommonsense" ?
No, the major argument against AGW "skeptics" is that their science is nonexistent and their major tactics are ad-hominem attacks and fearmongering.
Let's break that up:
science is nonexistent
Like throwing out data that doesn't fit the models? Like deleting data that could be used to refute your outrageous claims (hockey stick)? Like shunning those publications that would publish critical peer review articles? Like including wild claims from biased sources without verifying the sources?
ad-hominem attacks
Like when the CRU "scientists" tried to block peer review articles from being published? Like when "skeptics" are accused of working for "big oil"? Like when alarmists refute skeptics' claims by saying "their science is nonexistent and their major tactics are ad-hominem attacks and fearmongering."?
fearmongering
Like when alarmists claim that NY and Florida will be underwater? Like the claims that the Himalayan mountains will be ice free? Like the claims of an ice free N. Pole? Like the claims of more and deadlier hurricanes?
Tell me again how it's the skeptics' science is nonexistent and their major tactics are ad-hominem attacks and fearmongering.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
and yet NASA says Mars is warming at the same rate as the Earth... is that man made as well?
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Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
but GW/CC models do not account at all for increasing levels of Arctic summer ice in since 2007, and global cooling since then to now, nor do they account for most of the Antarctic getting colder in past three decades while warm was in peninsulas, nor can they by the IPCC's admission model the effects of the dominant greenhouse gas water vapor. The models are useless rubbish, totally unsuitable for justifying trillions of dollars of wealth to be moved through the World Bank and through "cap and trade" markets Goldman Sachs has set themselves up to benefit.
And now you don't have to address any of their points, because they are, after all, climate-change-denying scum. Convenient and efficient!
Yes, I think it is very, very important to note that the biggest failure found in the IPCC paper was a single wrong number on page 493 of Volume 2.
Nice job dropping the context of my post. Obviously, I was referring to the biggest such failure that relied on unreliable sources.
I have a simple question. When has the climate not changed? The climate has been far warmer and far colder than it is now many times in the past. How can anyone legitimately claim that humanity is truly responsible for the changing climate. There is plenty of archeological evidence of humans thriving in warmer climates. How can anyone possibly know what the baseline climate is?
It seems to me that the real problem is that there are more people living in more places. Humanity, or at least what they've built is more threatened by shifts in climate. Now, if the argument is that we should engage in reshaping the climate, that's another story altogether.
It may be possible that humanity is applying some pressure to climate shifts but I don't see how anyone could deny it would be happening whether or not we were here. It's simple logic.
And how am I supposed to take any of the threats seriously when the people making such claims aren't concerned enough to curtail their own pollution. Look at the complete waste that was Copenhagen. I don't see Al Gore giving up his private jet, his mansion or the numerous other homes he undoubtedly owns. I suppose it's us suckers who are supposed to sacrifice everything while the elites can go right on doing whatever they feel like.