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FCC Proposes 100Mbps Minimum Home Broadband Speed

oxide7 writes "The US Federal Communications Commission unveiled a plan on Tuesday that would require Internet providers to offer minimum home connection speeds by 2020, a proposal that some telecommunications companies panned as unrealistic. The FCC wants service providers to offer home Internet data transmission speeds of 100 megabits per second to 100 million homes by a decade from now, Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski said."

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  1. That would be all well and good by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That would be all well and good if it were the Government's place to mandate minimum speeds. Frankly I'd rather see them focus on keeping the 'net free and neutral or forcing the telcos to expand broadband coverage like they were supposed to after all the incentives they got. Let market forces deal with bandwidth.

    1. Re:That would be all well and good by kingjoebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Market Forces" you mean let the ISPs charge whatever they want for poor service and very poor speed and uptime? Market forces only work when there is competition, in my area I got once choice. Besides how long does one have to live in this "Market Economy" to realize that big corps will do whatever they can to make a dollar. It is in their best interest to not upgrade their networks and charge out the nose. Change on this magnitude will only come to the masses if the government mandates it, its always been like that it always will.

    2. Re:That would be all well and good by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Letting market forces deal with the bandwidth would be fine if there were any real broadband competition out there. Most people in the U.S. have two broadband choices, DSL through their telco or cable through their cableco. A few (very few) are lucky enough to have a third choice (like Fiber optic through FIOS or similar). With competition being so limited, their is little incentive to build up the system--particularly to rural areas where a user's only broadband option may be satellite (if you can even call that "broadband").

      My own situation is a good illustration. I live in suburb of a fairly large city. I have two options, a DSL line (max 3Mbs) or a cable line (max 12Mbps). The telco has had the ability to build out to 6Mbps for years now, but has never done so because they knew that the cableco would ultimately pass them anyway. The cableco built out to 12Mbps but charges ridiculously high rates for it. The cableco also has zero incentive to build anything beyond 12Mbps or lower their prices, because their only competition is limited to 3-6Mbps max. Basically, without some government prompting, or the arrival of something like FIOS (which has been deathly slow in deployment), there is absolutely no reason for any of my providers to do anything but sit on their asses and charge whatever they choose.

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    3. Re:That would be all well and good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except your precious market forces exert more pressure on telcos to provide the minimum amount of bandwidth for the maximum cost the market will bear. There's absolutely no incentive for them to provide a minimum guaranteed speed outside of regulation. Just look at their current lobbying efforts do define broadband down to under 200K.

    4. Re:That would be all well and good by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let market forces deal with bandwidth.

      Yeah, because that really seems to be working out so far. Clearly the competition between the major providers is pushing them to improve and excel.

    5. Re:That would be all well and good by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      can we please drop the average consumer crap? Usage trends for internet are completely unpredictable even on a year to year basis, age group basis, or otherwise. So when people think DSL speeds are good enough, they're trying to define average consumers. It doesn't exist. This is like saying "the average user isn't a gamer" or "the average user just burns bandwidth on youtube" or "the average user just browses the web and sends email".

      Also, 10 years from now 100mbps might be not that different from how dsl is now. Really, we already have 50-100mbps connections available in some areas (slowly becoming less spotty), so 10 years from now might be 300mbps or something. Gigabit routers = non issue there. Heck, everyone has at least a 10/100 router at home which can (and is specced to do so) handle 100mbps.

    6. Re:That would be all well and good by lwsimon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Odd - Where I live, 500 yards away, they have 8Mbps cable available for $40/mo. The best I can get is 512Kbps DSL for $85/mo. I offered to pay to have the line run up the hill to my home, and got an easement from the landowner to do so, but was stopped when I discovered that it wasn't legal to extend cable coverage outside the prescribed service area.

      Get rid of the government "regulation" on this, and I'd have decent internet in a week.

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    7. Re:That would be all well and good by dintlu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see this is a sign that the government is realizing the importance of the internet to the future of commerce and national security.

      Minimum speed mandates are the first step towards government-maintained infrastructure. By setting a target the telcos will be unable to reach, and buoying consumer expectations to expect this level of service soon, the door is opened for the government to implement solutions for upgrading or providing a portion of the telecommunications infrastructure themselves.

      Frankly the telcos have nobody but themselves to blame. They took taxpayer money and instead of spending it on infrastructure upgrades to keep the US competitive with other nations, they sat on their collective asses raking in record profits while the quality of their networks and their customer satisfaction went to shit. If market forces worked, this would be unnecessary.

    8. Re:That would be all well and good by vvaduva · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, so the cost of upgrades required by the government come out of their asses right? If you think you are not going to be the one paying for the FCC-mandated upgrades, you are living in la-la land. Who do you think is going to pay for it, the isp? No, the customer will.

    9. Re:That would be all well and good by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's awesome, because it means that those of us who pack light no longer subsidize those of you who don't. Jet fuel is expensive, and since it takes more of it to tote your big fat bag around, I'm happy for you to pay for it.

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    10. Re:That would be all well and good by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. If you read the presentation, he's actually setting the 100 Mbps as a goal, and sets out some "recommendations" for ways to achieve it. No mandates yet.

      2. 100Mbps in 10 years from now ought to be a dawdle. Hell, 100Mbps next week would be possible here if the Fios people would install to my building. Japan's average network speed right now is 50 Mbps. US companies know that it would cost them money to upgrade their infrastructure, and with most markets being historically-defined monopolies or oligopoloys, they have no incentive to compete.

      3. Of course it's the government's place to mandate minimum speeds and other standards. What do you think the FCC does? "These frequencies use that standard with that much energy. This telephone exchange uses that protocol with these power standards at that transmission rate." They define "broadband" as minimum 750kbps (ha!). If they want to define the "High-Speed Broadband" label as minimum 100Mbps for clarity's sake, and encourage its adoption, that's exactly what they're there for.

    11. Re:That would be all well and good by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe, maybe not.

      There are an awful lot of properties that only have internet because the deals the ISPs negotiated with the municipalities require a certain (high) level of coverage. I obviously don't know your exact situation, but it's very possible that the only reason that 8Mbps extends within 500ft of you is that the next town over made them run it that far. They might have been happier keeping cable 10 miles from you and only serving the city center - but in order to access the profitable part of the market they're made to serve the less profitable parts.

    12. Re:That would be all well and good by mikestew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They lowered the carry-on size to something that lasts me three to five days if I pack dress clothes suitable for an interview, a week anywhere else. I think you need to recalibrate your idea of "tiny".

    13. Re:That would be all well and good by TheHappyMailAdmin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free markets work when the markets are truly free, which the US telecom market is not. Service is broken into local monopolies, so before declaring that the market economy has failed, remember that in this area we aren't working with one.

      We have exactly three options regarding the future of broadband in the US: do nothing, regulate or deregulate. The telecoms want us to do nothing since it lets them maintain the status quo with local monopolies and move at their own pace with very little pressure. If we want things to move faster than the pace the providers set for us we have to regulate more (remember, we're already regulating!) and force providers to do more, or deregulate and hope that competition forces things to move faster from the bottom up. My opinion is that the only thing the providers fight harder than regulations on what services they have to provide is a move to truly deregulate the markets, look at the fight between Comcast and AT&T in Illinois over U-Verse service as an interesting case study of that.

    14. Re:That would be all well and good by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      My router is an Apple Airport Extreme, and it says 10/100/1000 right here on the box.

      So, 10/100 = 0.1 mbps / 1000 = 0.0001 mbps, or 12.5 bytes per second! ...

      Oh wait...

    15. Re:That would be all well and good by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. Imagine what would happen if the power company could only deliver enough power for the average consumer. There's a reason our utilities are designed to deliver more than they expect people to use at *peak*. Internet access should be no different.

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    16. Re:That would be all well and good by hazydave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's an easy one to solve... I'd deal with that in a heatbeat. Find a reasonable neighbor, offer to pay for their interent access if they'll let you set up a wireless link. Plain old 802.11g with a couple of Yagi or "coffee can" directional antennas, and you're good for hundreds of feet. Better with 802.11n, but only if you're wiring for MIMO (2 or 3 antennas at either end, and issues with where they're placed if you're optimizing it).

      I actually design radios in my day job, and one such device is a mesh router that can run up to about six miles. I've been really tempted to tap real broadband in neighboring towns... the frequencies used, illegal as hell, unless your're police or the military... but tempting anyway.

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    17. Re:That would be all well and good by netruner · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Consumers squeeze corps, corps squeeze consumers - agreed

      Corps have industry trade groups and lobbyists, consumers have (in the USA) representatives and senators.

      When it comes down to it, people decide what's ok and what's not. Corps are not people, consumers are. (except when it comes to campaign financing)

      Having minimum standards sucks from the supply side, but their absence is much more damaging on the demand side. To use your analogy - ways to make flights cheaper would include doing away with seatbelts and emergency exits (the seals are a maintenance issue). Nobody uses them anyway. Also, would you even notice if aircraft inspections were reduced? The average consumer wouldn't either.

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    18. Re:That would be all well and good by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a two way street. Consumers do whatever they can to squeeze corps. Corps squeeze consumers.

      Money is power. Not having money anywhere on the scale of corporations, individuals have two real options. They can organize into unions and organizations; and put up with the corruption that results from concentrating power, or they can vote and the government gets involved.

      The government does not need to get involved, they need to get out of the way by removing the monopoly cable companies enjoy.

      The problem is most of the monopolies cable companies enjoy are the result of local and state government interference and of limited resourced apportioned by the feds. The feds not getting involved is tantamount to handing over control to the corporations who have too much money to not influence local governments. Moreover, local governments have good reason to get involved, since their involvement is the result of the disaster that happened when they did not get involved in the early days of power distribution. dozens of redundant lines making the place hideous and resulting in one line falling and taking down dozens of others, bringing everyone down to the reliability of the worst player. Learn your history lest you repeat it.

      Sorry, there just isn't enough physical space or EM spectrum. The government either needs to handle data pipes the way they do roads, as a government utility, or they need to build the conduits for the pipes and charge data providers the cost.

    19. Re:That would be all well and good by wintercolby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, the cost of the upgrades should come out of the $200 Billion that Hatta (162192) mentioned below. The BIG problem with this is that it would seem the money was handed out without:

      (a) A mandate with a specific goal.
      (b) Mileposts clearly specified for progress toward that goal.
      (c) Follow through by Government regulators (wait, could this be that?)
      (d) Payment per milepost acheived, due upon delivery not upon agreement to consider delivering.

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    20. Re:That would be all well and good by cpotoso · · Score: 2

      Japan is the size of California and has a lot of short runs of new copper. The US is the size of the entire US and has long runs of pre-WWII hemp-wrapped aluminum foil.

      Time to stop making poor excuses. If the US has an old infrastructure, one can ask "WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO IMPROVE IT?".

    21. Re:That would be all well and good by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's what I'm driving at.

      There's no way your neighbor would have internet without some kind of government mandate, i.e. regulation. So the question of whether you'd be able to bury your own cable in the absence of regulation is moot - there wouldn't be internet anywhere near you to tap into.

      You're a case study why we need more - or at least more centralized government regulation of broadband.

    22. Re:That would be all well and good by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh, you are arguing against 100 Mbps Internet speeds because the government shouldn't exist?

      Arguably one of the few legal uses of the Interstate Commerce clause would be to set standard terminology so that consumers of products that pretty much always cross state borders have some idea of what the product name means.

  2. Bad Idea. by oahazmatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bad idea. Have you seen what most ISPs charge for 15?

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  3. Re:Well... by 0racle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It said to 100 million homes. How many of those homes are in densely packed cities? It's probably not as hard as it sounds. It would however require upgrades to the infrastructure that they seem to desperately want to avoid spending money on.

    Of course, most likely nothing will come of this so it doesn't really matter.

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  4. 1984 by Jaysyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because 100mbps is the bandwidth required for the telescreens?

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  5. because its too hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like how we Americans think its fine that the rest of the world is surpassing us in everything else, bandwidth included.
    World's most powerful nation going at the speed of fail.

  6. We're going to MARS! by VShael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the IT equivalent of Bush's "We're going to Mars" announcement.

    It will be followed by actions which will make it impossible. (The equivalent of cutting Nasa's budget and programs)

    So my money is on...reducing competition, letting infrastructure fail, and killing net neutrality for the Trifecta.

    Who'll give me Vegas odds on these?

  7. The Dept, of Agriculture will soon propose... by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...that 100 million people by 2020 should have a pretty pony. This will result in 50 people receiving tainted horse steaks by 2035.

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  8. The next round of government rule-making... by Entrope · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new pony-mandating FTC overlords and our rainbow-mandating EPA overlords. Every American should have the government-granted right to upload pictures of their pony galloping under a rainbow at 100 Mbps speeds!

  9. Just pass the amendments already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WTF is the FCC doing, making suggestions about my dealings with my local ISP over a link that doesn't cross state lines?

    That rhetorical question has kind of a quaint ring to it. Let's face it: America has certain expectations from their government, regardless of legal concerns. So let's just legalize it. I propose two constitutional amendments:

    Congress shall have the power to do whatever they think is a good idea. All previous amendments conflicting with this, are hereby repealed.

    The right to be subject to physics shall not be infringed; other rights are negotiable.

  10. Transfer limits, not speed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pretty soon, we'll have 1Gbps connections to-the-home with 1GB monthly transfer limits. I can't wait. I'll be able to transfer my monthly quota in mere hours now!
    Speeds doesn't matter one god damn when usage is so restricted. Telcos and Commcos win again!

  11. If the FCC wants to accelerate it by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They should federalize all franchising so that local and state governments cannot limit which telecoms and cable companies can operate where.

  12. Why complain by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the mid-90s the Telecom industry was given 200 billion dollars to roll out 45 megabit internet across the country. Nothing ever came of it, and the telecom industry got to pocket that $200 billion.

    Sounds to me that the telecoms should know a good thing when they hear it.

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    1. Re:Why complain by pitdingo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Socialist incentives voted in by Republican controlled government will bankrupt the USA. Oh wait...

    2. Re:Why complain by AndrewNeo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is exactly why I hope they mandate this, and don't give them any money to do it.

  13. Re:Good start by Chaos+Incarnate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only way they could do that is by increasing the bundled price; there's certain fixed costs of your service that don't increase proportionally to how many subservices you have.

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  14. cap by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmmm. 100 megabits/sec. At that rate, my 2 gig cap would be reached in

    2000 megabytes * 8 bits/byte / 100 megabits per sec = 160 seconds aka 2 minutes 40 seconds

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  15. Re:Google! by Thinboy00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It'll only catch up when we unbundle, which will never happen as long as they have lobbyists.

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  16. Re:FCC: Setting High Goals by Khisanth+Magus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Japan has 1Gbps internet. I had it when I lived there a few years ago. Even at 100Mbps we would be way behind.

  17. Re:DigiTechGuy by b3d · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are clearly a conspiracy theory nut job.

  18. This should have been done years ago by grandpa-geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IEEE-USA has been advocating bi-directional gigabit broadband for several years. The telcos have offered dumbed-down, legacy speeds because they are trying to become more closely associated with the entertainment industry than with telecommunications. The entertainment and other content industries do not want the competition that comes when every subscriber can become an originator.

    The failure to mandate that broadband is at least 100 mbps places the US way behind other countries and makes our innovators much less able to develop new concepts in broadband-based applications. That is why Japanese who come to the US are said to feel like they are entering a telecommunications third world.

    The FCC is moving to have the US join the developed telecommunications world.

    Good!!!

  19. The AC has a good point. by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are 350 million people in the US - and probably more than 400 Million by 2020. This mandate means that 75% of the population will be excluded from the mandate, and probably put on the back burner to make it law. I have decent internet (3Mb/$25) but there are folks just 20 miles down the road who pay more than $70/mo for 384k/128k service.

    I like the thought, but I'd rather see better regulation of what the various terms mean. "Unlimited," or any term which suggests that there is no cap on download quantity should be forbidden for any line which does not have a allowable greater than (max burst d/l+u/l speed x 30 days). I'm okay with defining terms for internet speed, as long as all ranges have a defined name (think of RF spectrum bands).

    If they want better rollout, they need to include more than just the city centers.

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  20. This. A thousand times this. by Shag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Basically everyone with a phone in the USA has been paying an extra fee for decades now to fund rollout of broadband to rural areas. Not only have the rural areas not gotten it, even a lot of built-up areas don't have it. In fact, when municipalities have tried to create their own high-speed networks, the telcos have gone so far as to sue to prevent it. Taking $200 billion to do something, then making efforts to prevent that something from even happening? Evil.

    I'd like the FCC to ask the telcos where the $200 billion went... and if the telcos want to claim things are impossible, maybe the FCC can ask them to give that $200 billion back, since we all know there's a company (Google) that's chomping at the bit to install super-fast FTTH.

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  21. Depressingly Unambitious by Liambp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ten years ago I was surfing the internet at 56kbps. Today I can get a 30Mbs connection for around the same price I was paying for my metered 56kBs a decade ago. That represents more than a 500 fold increase over a decade. To think that the next ten years will only provide a mere 3 fold increase is somewhat depressing.

  22. Re:Already there by Arakun · · Score: 3, Informative

    For $140/month you'd be able to get a 1000/100 connection in Sweden (if you live on the right address that is).

  23. Re:Already there by SETIGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never attribute to laziness what might better be attributable to avarice, greed, and malice.

  24. Linear vs Exponential growth by TibbonZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ten years ago I had a 1.5mb cable modem from Comcast (actually I think I got my first cable line in 1998).
    Today I have a 20mb cable modem from RCN (which costs nearly 2x as much as the 1.5mb line I used to have).
    Each of these were the fastest consumer lines available to me.
    100mb in 10 years sounds rather unambitious really. Consumer usage (I'm assuming) is probably growing at a rate akin to Moore's Law. There would be 6 and 2/3 cycles of Moore's Law in 10 years. My 20mb line should turn into a 1300mb line in 10 years at this rate and consumer usage will probably meet the demands.
    Unfortunately by this logic I should have a 96mb line available already, which isn't true at least where I live

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  25. Re:More nanny State bullshit. by msu320 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering 2160p TV's will have been shipping for 4 years by 2020 and will require 4x the bandwidth needed for 1080p (about 45megabits at 24fps). Considering 2160p may not even be the highest possible specs for viewing in 10 years (see 4320p and 9334p) 100mbits may likely not even end up being enough by 2020.

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  26. Re:Already there by suso · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes but then I'd have to deal with you damn swedes. Sorry, no offense, but I recently had to work with a guy from Sweden who we'll just say was difficult.

  27. Re:DigiTechGuy by hazydave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You must be new here.

    The Constitution grants the Federal Government the right to pass laws to deal with some things not specifically addressed in the Constitution, and the States rights to deal with others.

    Given that radio waves, much less fiber optic internet, had not yet been discovered in 1787, this is a very clear case in which one needs not simply heed the Constitution, but all of the law built on top of it since.

    You may now return to drinking that teabagger kool-aid.

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  28. Re:Already there by zennyboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Which would be a good idea if it were true. Sadly it is not

  29. Re:Already there by decoy256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, many people are Luddites. But don't they have that right? Jeez! We have a problem with some people forcing their opinions on us (taking religion out of schools, etc...) but we are perfectly comfortable forcing our opinions of what is "right" or "good" or "best for the community" on others.

    Maybe we should treat others with respect and promote their rights instead of just force our opinions on them.

  30. Re:Already there by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

    "There was no governement mandate for Verizon to do this, and Verizon spent a boatload of money laying all the fiber."

    Telecommunications Act of 1996 - we were supposed to have had 45mbit symmetrical a few YEARS ago.

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  31. Re:Already there by NevDull · · Score: 3, Informative

    Verizon's incentive is also driven by moving people off copper pairs, since they have to share those pipes with anyone who wants to lease them cheaply (CLEC, alarm company, etc). VOIP over fiber is very different from POTS from a regulatory standpoint.