Slashdot Mirror


What You Get When You Buy a $40 iPhone In a Bar

Barence writes "How good — or bad — are fake iPhones? PC Pro blogger Steve Cassidy has a friend who paid £25 ($40) for an 'iPhone' in a bar, and he's got the photos and full lowdown of what's inside this not-so smartphone. The phone looks convincing enough from the outside, with a genuine-looking backplate, but things start to go wrong when you switch it on. What's a "Java" and "WLAN" App button doing on the screen? And how about that Internet Explorer icon? It's like you're handling an artefact from an alternate history, dropped in via a spacetime wormhole. It has dual SIM handling, too, and came with a bizarre auxiliary battery festooned with warnings about not pressing a button mounted on the front of the top-up device."

54 of 211 comments (clear)

  1. Never fails to astound... by Shatteredstar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know I'm almost never ceasing to be amazed by the effort and dedication of people who bootleg.

    So much hard work. So much time spent working out how to design, construct, and replicate just close enough to make the sale and in some places even make a 'moderately' working replica.

    If only the bootleggers could be recruited to actually create and sell your product!

    On another thought you have to wonder on a component standpoint some of the bootleggers/replicators (wow sounds like I'm talking about some robot race) throw it all together with all that effort and sell it so cheap when a suitably crappy real version can cost quadruple or more!

    --
    I do what I must because of what I must do.
    1. Re:Never fails to astound... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You could make a "very good" living being honest or make a fucking butt ton of money being dishonest.

    2. Re:Never fails to astound... by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So much time spent working out how to design, construct, and replicate just close enough to make the sale...

      I doubt there was little if any NRE (Non-Reoccurring Engineering) costs involved in the construction of these iPhonies. The price alone strongly suggests the most likely explanation is that the Chinese manufactures making the genuine iPhone, are running their production lines on the side, without Apple's consent.

      Apple has handed them the specifications and all the manufacturer has to do is build a few thousand more than what Apple orders. The bootleg manufacturers don't even have to pay for things like molds or automation setup costs. They then fill in any missing pieces (such as software or mute slider switches) with the cheapest thing they can get.

      You probably would be surprised at how often this happens with consumer goods built in China.

    3. Re:Never fails to astound... by gmack · · Score: 2, Informative

      I doubt that very much. The dual sim tells me it's not at all Apple electronics and most likely made by SCI. Sci makes cheap knockoffs using an OS they skin to make the front screen look like whatever OS they are mimicking. Slap an Apple look alike case and home screen and it's an iphone. Slap a t mobile g1 case on it and it's Android.

      I actually own one. I needed a cheap phone fast and their G1 knockoff was cheaper than even low end phones around here. It wasn't bad for the price but I wish they wouldn't bother skinning it to look like other phones.

    4. Re:Never fails to astound... by orlanz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called the 3rd shift. You have Chinese factories that just keep the assembly line running for a third unoffical shift. The local assembler, nor the US company really cares enough to stop them. Not to mention the incentives from the under the table dealings.

      Why doesn't the US company stop them? Cause the markets that they really care about and make profit in (US and Europe) have heavy enough disincentives to make bootlegging insignificant in comparison to the costs of further stopping them. Plus, the majority of the bootlegging sector can't or won't afford your product anyway. They aren't a customer to begin with, so why stop them from subsidizing your purchasing costs to the 3 shift vendor.

      Now when politics hits the fan or someone gets greedy under the table, all Ell breaks loose.... for a week and then freezes over again. As to address gmack's post further down, most mass produced hardware is like lego blocks. You just need a smart enough individual in electrical engineering to put things together in the right order (trust me, that's not a scarcity in most of the world). So its not too hard to put an extra solid disk chip, sim reader, flash light, or even add a FM component when you are already the assembler who has access to the _expensive_ specs, the assemblers, AND the manufactures behind them. Not to mention, most hardware will automatically support the additional stuff as its already built in, but for high, profitable yield ratios, those features are disabled or not used (See AMD Phenom II X series for an excellent example). This is why the third shift stuff is such a hit or miss, its doesn't have proper QC to minimize the defects. If they did, it would be VERY expensive... more so than the original.

    5. Re:Never fails to astound... by Nikker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The sim is really the only part of the phone apple didn't design. It is a standard part that is roughly the same for all phones because it comes from specs from the FCC or your local equivalent. It would be like a wifi chipset it just deals with radio protocols and encryption. The main point is that the only benifit to outsourcing to China is labour costs, you have to provide specs for everything. When they are not only making the overall design but all the individual components are being manufactured right next door to each other it's just about working with what you've got (which in this case is not that bad). A hand full of engineers patch work some extras or start up a ghost shift and just pay / hide material costs and you're up and running. With overall performance getting pretty good you can't really go wrong. They just have to make it Linux compatible in some way and the community will likely take care of most of the support. For that price and some mobile OS that I can find software you have a product. We've given a lot to the Chinese and if there is ever a plateau they've got silicon valley by the balls.

      --
      A loop, by its nature, continues. If that didn't make sense, start reading this sentence again.
    6. Re:Never fails to astound... by gmack · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dual sim means dual sim slots and two recievers so the phone can connect to two networks at once if you don't mind a shorter battery life.

      It's a particularly Chinese innovation and not just a small tweak of an Apple design.

    7. Re:Never fails to astound... by Neoprofin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until you're found shot to death in the doorway of your Moscow apartment?

    8. Re:Never fails to astound... by Atryn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why can't game developers figure this out? It's not worth the cost.

      or record companies, or movie studios?

      Seriously? Do you think these are comparable? One is a manufacturing situation in which there are scaled cost advantages in overlooking excess production that doesn't affect your sales market. The other is almost purely Intellectual Property in which excess production and circulation has no advantages and often does creep into your (otherwise) target market.

      --
      Come play Moral Decay!
  2. the new version by rarel · · Score: 4, Funny

    the iPhony!

    1. Re:the new version by mysidia · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see your iPhoney and raise you an iPony.

      The iPony is the only farm animal that comes complete with a beautiful white embossed iApple logo, and a USB port for syncing your ride data and loading playlists for listening while you are driving around in your iPony

  3. What You Get When You Buy a $40 iPhone In a Bar by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Arrested?

  4. High Standards by Itninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA: The final nail in the coffin was an app we found five screens in, which even allowing for "cultural differences" Apple would never allow through the approvals process. The app in questions showed a lissom Asian lady lying on a bed who wriggles and moans suggestively when you rub your finger over her.

    So Apple would not allow this, but we can have like 100 fart apps? That's pretty messed up.

    --
    I judt got a nre Kinesis keybiartf so please excusr ant egregiou typos.
    1. Re:High Standards by Shatteredstar · · Score: 5, Funny

      So its a cheap softcore porn device? I could see a market for this thing in bars everywhere!

      --
      I do what I must because of what I must do.
    2. Re:High Standards by sdpuppy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now all they have to do is put in tactile feedback, and you've got an iPhone killer !

    3. Re:High Standards by ottothecow · · Score: 4, Interesting
      even the knockoff iphone can do flash?

      And it only costs $40?

      The article fails to note if there are any bad traits to this phone...

      --
      Bottles.
  5. Awesome review by DavidR1991 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ashens did a review of one of these a while ago (the menu does not look identical, but the resolution of the screen + font seems similar).

    Sharing purely because I found it fairly amusing (especially the call dropping feature...)

  6. Is it worse or better? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A guy I work with has one of these he bought in China. If it has a removable battery and Java it might be a good thing to own.

    1. Re:Is it worse or better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are standard fare from DealExtreme. I don't know why this is even news.

      Actually some of the phones they have look pretty decent. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of the watch phones that they sell.

  7. Better value per dollar by phoenix321 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's even better than the iPhone:
    - two SIMs
    - user-changeable battery
    - unlocked

    but here's my favorite:
    - "drag and drop files through USB port of computer (No Software Required)"

    No mandatory iTunes. Eat that, Steve!

    1. Re:Better value per dollar by Shatteredstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Strange the person may've bought an actual semi useful thing..once they get some of the junk off of it!

      Perhaps the bootleggers in this example have actually produced something with some degree of quality/usefulness that surpasses the real one...well at least to the Apple haters out there of course.

      --
      I do what I must because of what I must do.
    2. Re:Better value per dollar by pikine · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This quote from TFA hits the target right on.

      What leaves me speechless is that the SciPhone must represent more work and more value – and more capability – than its £25 asking price, just in terms of cost of development and production. Just about the only way to be stupider than incurring Apple’s wrath with a forgery, is to grossly undervalue the technology you use as part of that forgery. It’s a bit like making a forged pound coin by melting down gold sovereigns

      It actually seems to be a very useful device, sold dirt cheap only because the manufacturer couldn't get over the guilt that they're selling counterfeiting iPhone. Now, I only wish they would design and market a legitimate brand to compete with Apple.

      --
      I once had a signature.
    3. Re:Better value per dollar by phoenix321 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can speak from experience that Chinese no-name dual-SIM touchscreen phones are way better than their price point and reputation would suggest.

      600RMB (~60 EUR) would get you a touchscreen phone from ChangHong with integrated stylus and character recognition (Chinese and Latin, but it's error prone), high resolution display (480*x?), two SIMs, music player, straight mini USB interface, driverless USB mass storage interface, 8GB integrated, up to 32gb via SDHC micro and a 2.5Mpixel camera. And the phone can be set to English (with some Engrish in the mix of course). Bluetooth yes, but no 3G, no WiFi.

      It looks like this (I don't know if that is the model I played with, it looks only vaguely similar)
      http://img.alibaba.com/photo/263983686/ChangHong-F8-mobile-phone.jpg

      An interesting feature is text-to-speech for names stored in the address book: it actually read the name of a caller in understandable English. Caller not in the adressbook with CLIP enabled had their numbers spelled aloud. In Chinese only of course :)

      One feature I was very content with is the battery time: it has a 4000mAh battery - NiMH, not Li-Ion but still. A solid two weeks of battery power with medium amounts of talking time in between is more than impressive. Within the 600 RMB package was a second identical battery, a charging station, a 5V USB charger that could be substituted with any other 5V USB charger that exists. That way, you could always keep one battery charged and switch as soon as the other battery got low. Memory effect shmemory effect - you'll get a brandnew original battery for 5 EUR, so it's no problem charging the thing whenever you need to. Maybe Li-Ion is overrated and the situation where a memory effect would be noticeable isn't that common. I mean, who recharges their phone daily?

      Measured in value-per-dollar, this thing was great. Downsides and eventual deal-breakers were some Engrish remains in the menu but the worst was some menus that were in Chinese only, no translation available. The games for example, but also some SMS sub-menus.

      When (not if!) ChangHong gets around to translate the firmware with all submenus and iron out the last kinks, this will devastate the lower end cellphone market.

    4. Re:Better value per dollar by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed, and this is nothing new - the Iphones have long being playing catchup to what's available in cheap bog standard phones (e.g., 3G, copy/paste, video recording, Java, MMS, ability to run apps from anywhere, tethering). Sure, it has better hardware (you'd hope so, for the price), but it's also had gaps that have taken Apple years to fix (and in some cases, they're still not available), and it is hardly the be all and end all of phones, nor is it clear why it deserves the "smartphone" label when other phones don't (all feature phones are smartphones these days, really, by the original meaning of the term).

  8. Re:SEE!!! by Shatteredstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I doubt it will protect us really, afterall I have my own views on how well 'anti-counterfeiting' will work in countries that have repeatedly basically said "We'll do something about it!" then obviously not done anything.

    As for moral of the story we can take another from it...

    "There is a strong market for cheap thrill devices in bars!"

    --
    I do what I must because of what I must do.
  9. so in other words by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    This thing is far more useful than an iPhone!

  10. Sorry dude, it's fake by TokyoJimu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recently spotted a waiter with an iPhone in a third-world country so I went over to ask him about it. But it quickly became obvious that it was a fake. The sad thing is, I don't think the guy knew it. He said his mom paid $120 for it but it was basically unusable. You had to press real hard on the screen and the location calibration was way off (I'd played with another fake iPhone when I was in Laos and it was much better than this one). I showed him mine and the way it's supposed to work, with just a light flick of the finger.

    Once I'd convinced him it was a fake, he asked me how much fakes like his go for in the U.S. I told him we don't have the fakes because you can get a new real one for $99 (with two-year contract). I ended up talking to the guy for a half-hour and it was a learning experience for both of us. But I felt bad for the guy, having spent several months' salary on a phone that barely worked (and possibly thinking that Apple makes such poor products)

    1. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How much is "$99 (with a two year contract)"?

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    2. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not that I want to dispute your overall point of that's what you're counting, but a contract that binds you to another $1700 outlay over 2 years isn't much of a "technicality".

    3. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the can do spirit that has made America what it is today!

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    4. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by EvanED · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most cell phones in the US are subsidized. You can pay the $99 and then the 2-yr contract or the unsubsidized price of $599. It's your choice...

      Apple won't sell me an unlocked iPhone. Amazon doesn't have it, nor does Newegg.

      Another point to make is that Apple has no control over what AT&T will charge you for the contract.

      Not directly, but the fact that they only sell an AT&T-locked version means that I must go through AT&T to use get one. If Apple wasn't so restrictive, I could buy an unlocked version from them and use it with my existing AT&T account, or my T-Mobile account.

      The only point of contention is that the iPhone is only on AT&T at the moment.

      As far as I'm concerned, that's like saying "the only difference between 0 and 1 is that they aren't the same."

      For example you can't use a T-Mobile Motorola RAZR on Verizon's network. You have to buy a Verizon Motorola RAZR(v3) because it uses a different band.

      Ah, but I can buy an unlocked Razr and use it on either AT&T's network or T-Mobile's network.

    5. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

      And your point is? Most cell phones in the US are subsidized. You can [etc.]

      Everything after your first sentence is irrelevant, because that wasn't his point.

      Hal Porter and EvanED's point was that the "$99" genuine iPhone being compared with the fake $120 one in truth would work out significantly more expensive because it was only available at that subsidised price with an expensive contract.

      Even if the contract worked out well for some people, it's still misleading to compare the pricepoint of the subsidised iPhone with the (probably) non-tied fake model.

      --
      "Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
    6. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is why basically all phones are subsidized. Most people don't know how to count, so they think that $1800 is less than $120.

    7. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Buy one overseas, then. The US is the only country where you can't buy unlocked iPhones.

      I'd rather buy from a company that actually wants my money; Apple apparently doesn't.

      It's not Apple who is being restrictive, but AT&T - see above point that iPhoines are sold unlocked everywhere outside the US.

      And whose choice is that? Apple's. It's their phone.

      They're the company that chose to make the exclusive deal with AT&T. Without Apple, AT&T wouldn't have any say in the matter.

    8. Re:Sorry dude, it's fake by mdwh2 · · Score: 2

      The point is that $599 is way more than $120, as mentioned in the OP.

  11. Botnet by kheldan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wouldn't at all be surprised, especially for the rediculously low selling price, if it's got botnet software embedded right into it, and this is part of an overall plan to create a wireless and mobile botnet. Either that, or a tool for direct identity theft or worse.

    --
    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  12. Re:Ya, but by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if it doesn't, that's almost as good as the phone in an iPhone.

  13. Re:SEE!!! by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why not? It sounds at least as good as any other cheap touchscreen phone at a quarter of the price.

  14. Re:News Flash: by KaimaraZatar · · Score: 3, Funny
    "When you buy a name-brand item from someone you don't know..."

    Well, you could take the time to get to know them. But they'd probably still sell you the cheap knock-off.

  15. Re:WARNING I have a friend by trmj · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alright, so I made that whole story up.

    That was obvious from the subject line.

    --
    Work sucked, until it became unemployment, when it became slightly more tolerable. -Tet
  16. Re:Coming to a Home Depot lot near you... by ehrichweiss · · Score: 2, Informative

    Note, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam is the correct URL, that extra "/" at the end seems to make wikipedia sad.

    --
    0x09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0
  17. Re:WARNING I have a friend by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like a better premise than the the last ~500 movies of the week on Syfy.

  18. Great timing by rsayers · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I *just* ordered one of these from eBay yesterday. I needed a cheap unlocked phone, this option was cheaper than most name-brand used phones and at the price I paid, I won't be terribly upset if it's complete garbage.

  19. maybe it's better? by darrenkopp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i bet it'll run flash before the iphone does.

  20. Re:So? by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 4, Funny

    the universe was completely destroyed and replaced by another universe, identical to the first except it was one in which the button had not been pressed.

  21. I've been using one for the last year by johnny6vasquez · · Score: 2, Informative

    I initially bought one of these as a joke.

    At first I hated it, but it really grew on me. Having an unlocked iPhone form-factor phone, that I can transfer anything I want to it, pictures, music, movies, all over usb, is really nice. I took it traveling and really liked having two batteries, especially after I started reading books on it. Say what you want about the new eBook readers, but I love having a backlit screen that can fit in my pocket, fit hundreds of books on microSD cards, and has a backup battery. I could read clearly at night in bed or waiting for the subway in poorly lit areas.

    It's really funny to watch an iPhone user try to use my phone, because even though it looks nearly the same, the screen handles way differently, needing more of a tap than a slide.

    I wouldn't buy one of these for running apps on, I would just use it for an eBook reader and phone. That's all I wanted out of it and it exceeded my initial expectations.

    This is the one I have: http://product.madeinchina.com/CECT-i9-Quadband-Unlocked-Dual-Sim-PDA-Smart-phone/10618567.shtml

    If all you want is a unlocked phone and eBook reader with awesome battery life, give it a try. But the article is right that it can't compare to an iPhone. The user interface sucks compared to Apple's product, especially when you move into the submenus.

  22. Re:So? by Existential+Wombat · · Score: 5, Funny

    A notice comes up saying "Please Do Not Press This Button Again"

  23. Re: What You Get When You Buy a $40 iPhone In a Ba by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

    MichaelSmith, age 5: "But what was the underlying cause? Was he in search of food? Was he being pursued by a predator? Was there a potential mate on the other side of the road?!?"

    MichaelSmith, age 10: "Technically they never found any parts of the astronauts washed up on the beach, which makes that a single entendre!!"

    MichaelSmith, age 15: "All mammal meat is RED!! Plus the anatomies are completely different. OJ wouldn't necessarily be any better at cutting a turkey than anyone else just because he allegedly murdered someone."

    MichaelSmith, present day: "That doesn't even make sense! There were eight years between the Challenger disaster and the OJ Simpson trial, and supposedly I only aged FIVE years?!?!"

  24. Re:fraud by Tehrasha · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure its a fake, but will it run linux?

  25. Re: What You Get When You Buy a $40 iPhone In a Ba by mschoolbus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Arrested as in beer, not as in speech.

  26. Re:WARNING I have a friend by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    One of my colleagues once bought a cheap Chinese MP4 player but it had a Sony battery and got so hot it melted in his pocket. When the doctor cut away his pants to examine the damage it turned out that China had actually partially merged into his leg -- he now has a large chunk of Asia in his lower hip. Pretty disgusting but there are some great camping sites near his knee.

    Now he's Chinaman, fighting against injustice by kicking evildoers with a leg that weighs several billion metric tons, which tends to hurt them a lot. His arch nemesis is every single Chinese citizen because they're not too thrilled about some random twit constantly tossing their entire country around. Also, the local tram company; fitting China into a tram is really difficult. He also can't fight injustice during Chinese New Year as his leg goes home to be with its family.


    Okay, so I made that up. The tram company doesn't really hate him.

    --
    USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
  27. Marketing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In many ways it's not about the technology at all. It's not like the iPhone represents things which are that far ahead of the technological curve.

    It's about piggybacking on Apple's huge marketing presence and brand-name-recognition.

    Those bootleggers could use the same amount of technical "hard work" to create a distinctive and useful device which does 80% of what an iPhone does at 20% of the cost... And then fail to make any money at all because everyone would buy the iPhone anyway.

    Too bad we don't live in a world where the substance of technology always wins over the form of its marketing presence. But hey, anyone running Linux knows that :p

  28. Re:Coming to a Home Depot lot near you... by mike260 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The guy got a functioning touchscreen smartphonefor £25. Counterfeit or not, it's hard to call that a ripoff IMHO.

  29. Re:Coming to a Home Depot lot near you... by Toonol · · Score: 2, Informative

    My experience with Chinese knockoff products is that they're half the quality, more versatile, and ten percent the price. Often a better overall deal than the original.