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PA School Defends Web-Cam Spying As Security Measure, Denies Misuse

tekgoblin writes "The Lower Merion School District of Pennsylvania was recently accused of privacy invasion. Now the school has released an official response to the allegations. According to the school, the security feature was installed in the laptops as an anti-theft device and was not intended to invade privacy. The software that was installed would take a photo of the person using the laptop after it was stolen to give to the authorities. Now this may be what it was intended for, but it seems that someone didn't get the memo." The district's claim that it "has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever" doesn't square with the allegations which set off this whole storm. And if there was nothing wrong with it, why does the school say it won't start using the snooping feature again without "express written notification to all students and families"?

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  1. Security by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure. That's what the body scanners at the airports for as well.

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    1. Re:Security by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup. The irony here of course is that by creating this kerfuffle, they've completely eliminated any actual security the webcam system might have given them. Now everybody knows that these laptops have hidden cameras, so they'll just tape over them. So there's little chance that the cameras will ever actually be used to identify any thief now.

    2. Re:Security by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now everybody knows that these laptops have hidden cameras, so they'll just tape over them.

      No, odds are good that taping over the hidden cameras will be a punishable offense. Perhaps it can be conspiracy to engage in theft, considering their given lame excuse for the camera.

      So there's little chance that the cameras will ever actually be used to identify any thief now.

      Odds are good, only idiot thieves would have been caught anyways...and they would have likely been caught anyways. Ie, idiot thieves would neither (a) wipe the HD (and the spying software) nor (b) boot from a clean medium to investigate the laptop's data (and hence not run/load the spying software). Of course, if you're not wiping the HD, you're likely to be caught at some point with significant evidence that the laptop you sold/are using is stolen. And if you're simply running the built-in software, odds are good that you'll visit some website, be auto-logged in, and in your snooping into the persons account be pretty traceable by your IP address.

      Now, if they had some sort of hardware GPS device that could be remotely activated and give the GPS unit's location, that'd be a whole other story. Of course, a thief could still potentially rip out the GPS device (presuming it's not well integrated into the motherboard), but it'd be a lot less obvious that a school would pay for the expense of an always-available GPS and would be a much better deterrent to *announce* the damn device. No, the odds are good that school officials presumed they owned the laptop and could remotely access the webcam whenever they pleased.

      That they would later try to justify it with some school-wide policy or point out specific misdeeds to justify it really doesn't cover the obvious issues that (a) a thief could likely be another minor student and (b) you could catch said thief in a sexual act (age of consent is 16 in Pennsylvania). In short, the simple fact that the produced images from a hidden camera are such a hot bed for possibly criminal action (I mean, what part of "hidden camera" and "school" sounds like a good idea?) really shows a severe lack of forethought at minimum and at worst a casual massive overextension of authority. I mean, what sort of legal predicament would an actual full-time, legal guardian be in for placing a hidden camera in their 16 year old child's bedroom?

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  2. In-home Reprimand by Luthair · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So then why was a student reprimanded for their in home behaviour with a picture from the webcam used as evidence?

    1. Re:In-home Reprimand by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And furthermore, WTF is their problem with masturbation?

    2. Re:In-home Reprimand by feepness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because for some strange reason Americans are squeamish about everything sexual, and as a result have the highest rates of STDs in the G-7.....

      I can also see the case for that being proof of the opposite...

    3. Re:In-home Reprimand by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

      And furthermore, WTF is their problem with masturbation?

      What are you talking about?

      The kid wasn't choking kojak - he was eating candy.
      Dumbass on the other side of the camera thought a piece of Mike & Ike candy was an illegal drug.
      Who knows what kind 'zero-tolerance' befuddled mindset lets them decide that something that looks like a pill was "illegal" via just a webcam shot...

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    4. Re:In-home Reprimand by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Informative

      It wasn't masturbation. I can't remember if it was in an article linked to by /. or from Google news, but the student involved was eating candy that they mistook for drugs. I can't remember the name of the candy, but it looked close enough to capsule or caplet form that the school people just assumed (intentional use of that word) that it was illegal drugs.

      I hope the student ends up able to retire on the punitive damages he gets. While it's not the best for him, it'd make the school district and others think about it more. They won't ever see this based on ethics, but they might make changes based on fear of damage awards.

    5. Re:In-home Reprimand by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and why were they watching in the first place?

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    6. Re:In-home Reprimand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The kid wasn't choking kojak - he was eating candy.

      Ahh, so that's what they call it these days...

    7. Re:In-home Reprimand by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bet that some kids were observed nude or even jacking off, but the observers never reported it because they'd be admitting to viewing child porn.

      Semi-related story: when I was in high school, I thought it would be funny to use my student I.D. to crush my Sweet tarts into a fine powder and chop them up like lines of cocaine. My music teacher sent me to the counselor's office even though he knew what the powder was. The counselor asked me how I knew how to do that, and I told her I saw it in the move South Central (which was true).

      I had always hoped that naive, alarmist authorities were only a high school thing. Then bam, 9/11, and here we are.

    8. Re:In-home Reprimand by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I really think the whole case hinges on this point.

      They claim they never once turned on the software unless a laptop was reported stolen. Yet if they did in fact punish a student for in-home behavior on a non-stolen laptop, then they're clearly caught in a lie.

      And even if the intent was merely an anti-theft solution, I think there is still a civil suit worth pursuing (if not criminal charges) if the software was not disclosed.

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    9. Re:In-home Reprimand by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Funny
      The kid wasn't choking kojak - he was eating candy.

      Are you sure he wasn't eating Candi? If so, and depending on their ages, they might have been violating some sort of blue-nose law about teenage sex.

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    10. Re:In-home Reprimand by kabloom · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the link you're looking for is here.

    11. Re:In-home Reprimand by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and why were they watching in the first place?

      Trolling for cheerleaders changing clothes, obviously.

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    12. Re:In-home Reprimand by insufflate10mg · · Score: 4, Informative

      The student said on MSNBC he was caught with Mike n' Ikes (or some kind of candy) on camera, and they believed he had illegal pharmaceutical drugs.

    13. Re:In-home Reprimand by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know that I would hope that any damages are awarded in the case, it simply costs their friends and neighbours who are tax payers for the board, rather than the individuals responsible for the abuse (of power).

      Yep, I would much rather see everyone involved - especially the decision makers - convicted of some sort of pedophile related sex crime. That will effectively take them out of circulation and will prevent them from ever again being a position of authority where they can exercise their stupidity on others. If zero tolerance on drugs is good enough for the kids then society's zero tolerance on anything that can be remotely confused for pedophilia is good enough for the administrators.

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    14. Re:In-home Reprimand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The scary part is in the summary: the people in charge believe they have done no wrong and are doing what's best. It's like a sociopath who thinks the ends justify the means and never believes his or her actions are wrong or could hurt anyone. These are the most dangerous people that free societies must be vigilant against.

    15. Re:In-home Reprimand by laura20 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cite? I've seen no claims that the student stole the laptop; there's a big difference between the school district claiming it was activated "upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop" and the student *actually* stole the laptop. Now maybe that's what happened -- he filed a false report or he stole someone else's -- but given that it would be a simple way to shut down the story the silence makes me doubt. "Student X reported his laptop missing, we activated the security system, he still had possession of the laptop, we disciplined him for the false report/fraud." Boom, story (mostly) dead. Instead we have them disciplining him for suspected drug use, and strangely vague and general denials.

    16. Re:In-home Reprimand by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you could, you probably work for the PA Schools.

    17. Re:In-home Reprimand by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hope the student ends up able to retire on the punitive damages he gets

      OK, I'm risking being burnt at the stake her but what the heck.

      I speak for Europe and possibly for a whole lot of other countries outside of northern America. Over here we try and put stuff into perspective and not to overreact. I agree that the student in question's privacy was harmed. In fact that's the main point here. So, with respect to damages, all pupils that were spied upon are entitled to some. The fact that the surveillance officer made a judgment error can happen and should be forgivable or constitute a minor punishment.

      But why should the student be able to retire on the punitive damages he gets? Sure, the whole situation stinks but an apology and maybe a box of candy should suffice as punitive damages. You seem to covet a juridical system where you're extremely happy someone make a minor error. Already with minor arguments the winner thrives and the looser parishes.

      I'm not saying we all should become tree hugging hippies but I sure advocate right perspective, common sense and less fear of doing something wrong.

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    18. Re:In-home Reprimand by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So then why was a student reprimanded for their in home behaviour with a picture from the webcam used as evidence?

      The other question is: What the fuck business is it of the school's what they are doing outside of school anyway? If the school officials think their authority is so broad, they should not even be allowed around children.

    19. Re:In-home Reprimand by haruharaharu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sociopaths don't believe that - they know they're hurting people, but the don't really care. The word you're looking for is crusader.

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    20. Re:In-home Reprimand by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The student said on MSNBC he was caught with Mike n' Ikes (or some kind of candy) on camera, and they believed he had illegal pharmaceutical drugs.

      Even if he was toking the reefer while getting getting blown by two thirteen year-old girls, it is none of their fucking business. This would be like a cop barging into your place, having a peak, and saying "Okay. Nothing illegal going on. Have a nice day."

    21. Re:In-home Reprimand by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any possible excuses the school district can claim go up in smoke with the simple fact that they collected a still image on a laptop that was not reported as stolen. They basically took a picture with their own hand in the cookie jar. Unless they can prove that a claim was filed on the laptop in question, they are fucked, not to put too fine a point on it.

      The whole idea of enabling a remote cam capability on a laptop in use by a child is disgusting on it's face. I don't care what 'benefits' they claim it produces. They could just as easily collect IP info, find the provider who owns those IP's, and track it down via that route.

      The idiot that thought this was a 'great security feature' needs a little 'special time' in a local penitentiary along with any complicit school board members.

    22. Re:In-home Reprimand by twidarkling · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except not. There's laws to prevent law enforcement officers from doing that. There's no such restriction on private individuals. If the school saw him making a drug deal through the camera, they could freely take the evidence to the police, and the police could use it.

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    23. Re:In-home Reprimand by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We're squeamish about oral sex (i.e. talking publicly about it). This leaves kids participating in sexual activity blindly (OK. Adults too). Lack of knowledge doesn't mean lack of action, just lack of intelligent action.

      Unfortunately, some people seem to think that lack of training about the issues around sex will discourage kids from participation in sex that has been the norm since long before we understood enough to talk about (or, for that matter, even had language to talk about it). It's a process that only works for people who confuse belief and hope with reality.

      I think that this explains why some of these same people confuse things like fantasy gaming with real devil worship. ..... and it explains why states that have the most restrictions about sex education also tend to have the most STDs and teen pregnancies.

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    24. Re:In-home Reprimand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I was in highschool, I had considered doing something a bit more insideous, and thankfully I never did it:

      Fill a bunch of fishing weight bags (conveniently the correct size for a hit of cocaine) with powdered sugar, and leave a trail of them going into the assistant principle's office, then chop up some lines of the stuff on one of those magnetic locker mirrors on his desk.

      Our Assistant principal was continually roaming the halls looking for even the most minor of infractions (like people holding hands-- Oh my! They are practically having sex in the hallway! Gotta put a stop to that!-- yeah. That kind of thing.) to write a detention slip over, so doing this while he was distracted elsewhere would have been quite easy to do.

      This was before the era of continual camera surveillance in the hallways, so it would have been very easy to accomplish.

      I must admit though, a part of me REALLY wishes I had done it...

    25. Re:In-home Reprimand by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      >>>>There's laws to prevent law enforcement officers from doing that. There's no such restriction on private individuals. If the school saw him making a drug deal through the camera, they could freely take the evidence to the police, and the police could use it.
      >>>

      Bzzzz. The school teachers and administrators are employees of the State government and virtually every member state in the Union forbids a state government employee from entering (or peering) into a private home to snoop around...... unless a warrant is first obtained from an impartial judge. So any evidence found would immediately be thrown-out in a court of law.

      Anyway this happened in the member state of Pennsylvania, so here's the relevant constitutional law:
      - Security From Searches and Seizures
      - Section 8.
      - The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and possessions from unreasonable searches and seizures, and no warrant to search any place or to seize any person or things shall issue without describing them as nearly as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation subscribed by the affiant.

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    26. Re:In-home Reprimand by garompeta · · Score: 5, Funny
      If I were in that school after knowing that they are snooping us, I would deliberately "choke kojak" (blink, blink) in front of the camera, even worse, pointing towards the camera.
      Then I would accuse them for secretly setting up a child pornography network.

      Yeah, I used to be terrible in school...

    27. Re:In-home Reprimand by anyGould · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And furthermore, WTF is their problem with masturbation?

      What are you talking about?

      The kid wasn't choking kojak - he was eating candy. Dumbass on the other side of the camera thought a piece of Mike & Ike candy was an illegal drug. Who knows what kind 'zero-tolerance' befuddled mindset lets them decide that something that looks like a pill was "illegal" via just a webcam shot...

      Which brings us back to the original issue - if the "security system" is only used in the case of theft,

      • What cause did they have to activate it in the first place? (the student obviously hasn't reported it stolen - he has it)
      • Assuming for the moment that they did believe that it was stolen (and were thus justified in turning on the feature), why did they continue observing once they saw the student on-camera (hence proving he is in possession)?
      • And assuming further that they happened to turn on the camera, right at the moment he was doing whatever he's not supposed to be doing, since it's obviously not related to theft of the equipment, on what grounds did they decide they had authority to punish the child?

      The whole thing stinks, IMO.

    28. Re:In-home Reprimand by gillbates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why? Because if some administrator does not have "... his poor judgment cost the district millions..." in his performance review, others will be inclined to do the same, and worse.

      How, exactly, does one get one's privacy back - once it has been violated?

      Imagine, for a moment, if naked images of you (or your daughter) showed up on the internet? Sure, you could sue the school, but she (or you) will have to deal with it for the rest of your life. Did you know there's a statutory limit on the amount of money for which a school district can be liable? It's something like $150k - far less than the worth of someone's dignity.

      Imagine the emotional consequence faced by your daughter, if every time she got into an argument someone posted naked pictures of her as revenge. Imagine if the entire school called her dirty names because of it.

      And what does she get in return? Enough to pay for college, at maximum. Nevermind the fact that she might never marry, or might have self-esteem issues for the rest of her life. By law, her body is only worth $150k, or about a year of MBA salary.

      Sometimes, the consequences of an action are so severe that the punishment must act as a deterrent to others. There is real, permanent harm in invading someone's privacy, especially when the law limits the liability of the infringer. Sure, watching someone eat candy is relatively innocuous. However, it is only a matter of chance that the interlopers didn't watch students undressing, or in other embarrassing situations. And who knows - maybe they did and are hoping investigators don't find out.

      We don't have laws against speeding because speeders always cause accidents. Rather, we realize that excessive speed contributes to accidents, and increases the damage when accidents occur. Likewise, if we treat this incident as a mere lapse of judgment, we open the door to further abuses. Worse, because of the legislative limit on damages, it is entirely possible that the harm can never be undone or restituted.

      Incidentally, a recent study (2005?) found that public school employees are 7 (seven) times more likely to sexually abuse children than clergy. The reason why these incidents don't often make the press is because the judgments are limited in many states to $150k, rather than the millions that the church had to pay out. It kind of makes me sick that school officials enjoy a legal kind of immunity for which the Church could only hope.

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    29. Re:In-home Reprimand by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But why should the student be able to retire on the punitive damages he gets? Sure, the whole situation stinks but an apology and maybe a box of candy should suffice as punitive damages. You seem to covet a juridical system where you're extremely happy someone make a minor error. Already with minor arguments the winner thrives and the looser parishes.

      Simple, because the school system's already shown a serious, possibly criminal (the FBI's investigating, also the state's Attorney General), lack of judgment in this case. If they're able to get off with just a small slap on the wrist, they will not learn a damn thing, and it won't be long before they "forget" what happened and do something equally hair-brained that violates more student's civil rights. It may just be an American thing (although I doubt it, stupidity knows now boundaries), but these type of people won't change their ways unless they're punished severely, and the only real method the court has do to that is to impose punitive fines. That those fines go to the plaintiff is justifiable because the plaintiff took the initiative, and risk, to go to court to try and get the school system to stop their illegal behavior.

      So it's not that we think this kid deserves such a huge reward necessarily, it's that we know the school system has to get nailed HARD for any real change to take place.

      On a related note, I doubt any of us are holding out any real hope that criminal charges will be brought against anyone for this. Or at the very least, even if there are some charges brought, it won't be against the real culprits like the school board members, the administration, etc. It'll be against some scapegoat the school system decides to pin the crimes on and throw under the bus. So only a high punitive damage award will change the system, and it sounds like it needs serious, serious change.

  3. the school already is lying by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The school denies Misuse, however they have photographic evidence of a child committing inappropriate behavior in the child's bedroom.

    Therefore the School has already committed a misuse of said camera's. The real question is why hasn't the school fired the people involved. there was no evidence of any laptops being stolen therefore the system shouldn't have been turned on to begin with. The only reason the camera's were turned on would be for misuse.

    So the school district is lying to cover themselves. They could get out of this much easier if they simply fired a couple of people and blamed those directly responsible, and their bosses for the policy.

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    1. Re:the school already is lying by Luthair · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if the student took it, then why would it ever have come out that the school was able to remotely activate the webcam & microphone?

    2. Re:the school already is lying by tftp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why does it not occur to you that perhaps the student took the photo and emailed it to their buddies?

      How would the student know that webcams can be remotely activated? Besides, I believe most of the accusation, picture and all, comes from the school administrator.

      My best guess is that the system was installed indeed to find lost laptops. However there were no locks, safeguards or anything, so busybody teachers took it upon themselves to monitor students whenever they feel to it. The district claims that only two IT people were authorized to monitor, however how hard is it for an IT guy to tell the URL and the password to a teacher? Teachers were seen as gods until now, or a step above that.

    3. Re:the school already is lying by cduffy · · Score: 3, Informative
    4. Re:the school already is lying by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe the student didn't want to admit that he took the snapshot?

      Mom: Then how did the picture get taken?
      Kid: I don't know, maybe they did it remotely!
      Mom (to school): Is it possible for you to take snapshots remotely?
      School: Err, well actually, we do have this security software...
      Mom: I'm calling my lawyer.

      The remote webcam activation is a pretty standard feature of anti-theft software.

    5. Re:the school already is lying by slyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A student has been quoted as saying:

      "Frequently, the green lights next to our iSight webcams will turn on. The school district claims that this is just a glitch. We are all doubting this now."

      http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/school-accused-of-using-webcam-to-photograph-student-at-home/

      The lawsuit filed in court states:

      "[The student] was at home using a school issued laptop that was neither reported lost nor stolen when his image was captured by Defendants without his or his parents' permission and while he was at home."

      http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9159778/Irate_parents_in_Pa._say_schools_use_peeping_tom_technology_

      If this is true, sounds pretty damning to me.

  4. Riiight. by nhytefall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Webcams hardly equal a lojack. Seems to me, this whole incident is nothing more than the reflection of our society's values of surveilance absent privacy, all in the name of security of course. As is said on The Simpsons, "Won't someone think of the children?!?"

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  5. I swear we didn't make some delicious CP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If cartoons are CP, then fuzzy grey images out real kids are definitely CP.

    Double standards suck. We need consistency.

    1. Re:I swear we didn't make some delicious CP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We need consistency.

      Hahaha, that'll never happen.

      When a drawn cartoon child has more rights than some humans, you know something is wrong.

      Sadly, double-standards are what makes the world tick.
      Some are beneficial to society, but, sadly, some of them are just downright retarded in every sense of the word.

    2. Re:I swear we didn't make some delicious CP by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've never understood countries that make drawings illegal. So what if a picture shows some boy boffing a girl? There's no victims, therefore no rights violated, therefore no crime.

      But, but, won't someone think of the toons?

      P-r-r-r-r-r-rease?

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  6. Enough sensationalism already. by nahdude812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The district's claim that it "has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever" doesn't square with the allegations which set off this whole storm.

    You're right. It's he-said, she-said. But since the school district does have controls in place to protect against abuses (only two people have access to the function, and this access is logged), and because I'd be very, very surprised if the district was foolish enough to act in the way that the suit alleges, I'm siding firmly on the side of "someone needs to provide some proof before I condemn anyone" - something the sensationalist media seems to be trying very hard doesn't happen.

    Now this may be what it was intended for, but it seems that someone didn't get the memo - or so the plaintiffs allege. ...why does the school say it won't start using the snooping feature again without "express written notification to all students and families"? I don't think it indicates anything at all that the district will more clearly communicate the existence and usage patterns of the software before they activate it again. The district has successfully used the software to recover 18 of 42 lost laptops, so if anything it seems like they might need even stronger software than this (though this is still $18,000 worth of taxpayer money the software has saved). Parents and students were surprised to know of its existence, and the district feels in retrospect that whatever communication was made in this regard was insufficient. That sounds like a reasonable action to me.

    I still find it far more plausible that the student took a photo himself and sent it to his buddies, than that one of two people with access to the system abused it, then exposed their abuse to a principal (who is not one of the two with access), who decided instead of doing something about the abuse, to then further abuse it themselves, and expose the abuse to the student and the student's parents. Sorry, one kid being kinda stupid is far more likely than two adults being very stupid.

    1. Re:Enough sensationalism already. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Informative

      You must be new here. School's are FAMOUS for long strings of abysmally unintelligent decisions. Hell, the most recent SCotUS case involved a stripsearch conducted by multiple adults because one student with a bad disciplinary record got caught with advil in a folder that had been loaned to her by another student at least several days before.

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    2. Re:Enough sensationalism already. by tftp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The district has successfully used the software to recover 18 of 42 lost laptops, so if anything it seems like they might need even stronger software than this (though this is still $18,000 worth of taxpayer money the software has saved)

      Each $1,000 laptop is insured by parents, with $55/yr premium and $100 deductible. 2,800 laptops netted $154K, enough to fully replace 154 laptops every year. But they lost only 42, and over more than a year. So the school should just remove all the security software and let the insurance deal with it.

      I still find it far more plausible that the student took a photo himself and sent it to his buddies

      Then you need to explain how the remote webcam activation thing was claimed, and was true (at least to the capability of doing it.) Clairvoyance is not the answer :-)

  7. They Should Have Documentary Proof by anorlunda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The news reports say that the cameras were activated in this case plus 42 other cases. If the school is telling the truth they should have documentary evidence of claims of theft or loss for all 43 cases.

    If they can document all 43 cases, they're still in hot water. If they can't then they're caught in yet another lie.

  8. So Sorry School Predo's by ae1294 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm so sorry but we need to treat you and your cohorts just like we treat everyone else who is alleged, on television, of being guilty of a crime which means we will convict you, throw you in jail and make sure the other inmates know what you did...

    It's only fair, so be sure to enjoy your daily beatings and o, the rapes.

  9. Translation by legio_noctis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few days ago, most of us were still waiting to see if this story was in fact exaggerated and/or untrue: what about the school's side of the story?

    But it appears that the initial impressions were correct: the school is in fact just scrabbling around for excuses ("It was a security feature, promise!"). This suggests that there was in fact no good reason or alternate story.

    Which is good, because I can go and get properly angry now.

    1. Re:Translation by Skapare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And their response is essentially "We didn't do anything wrong and we promise not to do it again".

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  10. Cheerleader surveillance .... by golodh · · Score: 5, Funny
    I have some suggestions for this school on how to best focus its surveillance efforts.

    Following the logic of their stated reasons for using the on-board camera to take a peek at student's private lives, I respectfully submit that the individuals which are most at risk are therefore those most in need of the kind of protective surveillance this school offers. Right? Now it is common knowledge that attractive females are, more than most other groups, at risk. Both in school and outside.

    It therefore follows, with an elegant inevitability, that surveillance should focus on the 5% most attractive females of the school. We are then talking about continuous surveillance of course.

    I recommend enhancing security by also enabling the laptops' microphone. Besides, are those laptop cameras any good for taking infra-red pictures?

  11. One possibility by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's one way the school could be telling the truth about this. They didn't say this explicitly, so it's not clear, but:

    The lawsuit alleges that the school accused the student of inappropriate behavior. That behavior could have been reporting his laptop as "stolen", then continuing to use it. The school maintains that they only use the webcams to take a still photo when a laptop has been reported stolen, to aid in recovering it. If the laptop was reported stolen, the school took a picture, they saw that the student who reported it was the one using it, and they confronted the student with this evidence, that would explain both the lawsuit and the school's position.

    Sort of odd that the school's response wouldn't explain that, if that is indeed what happened. But people tend to omit important details like that when there's a lawsuit pending, on advice of counsel...

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  12. Re:"something wrong with it"? by QCompson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    maybe while the feature was introduced for all the right reasons (recovering lost/stolen laptops), they're admitting that students/parents should've been notified? i.e. they're admitting they made a mistake, but denying that they are pedophiles who used this "feature" to spy on acne-faced teenage boys masturbating to vogue magazine.

    Now that's just ridiculous! I highly doubt teenage boys are masturbating to vogue magazine. Especially with the school-issued laptop computer (i.e. gateway to the universe of porn) right in front of them.

  13. Re:Meant to keep the laptops on campus? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Informative

    Based on this Laptop Capabilities at Home info from the LMSD website, they do expect the kids to take the laptops home.

  14. Re:Sounds Half-Assed by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remote webcam activation is a pretty standard feature of anti-theft software. The idea is to locate the laptop (via network connections, whatever), and identify the thief (webcam snapshots). The two goals work together. Check these stories out: http://www.orbicule.com/undercover/mac/nc.html