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Chilean Earthquake Shortened Earth's Day

ailnlv writes "Days on Earth just got shorter. The recent earthquake in Chile shifted the planet's axis by about 8 cm and shortened days by 1.26 microseconds 'The changes can be modeled, though they're difficult to detect physically given their small size. ... Some changes may be more obvious, and islands may have shifted. ... Santa Maria Island off the coast near Concepcion, Chile’s second-largest city, may have been raised 2 meters (6 feet) as a result of the latest quake ...'"

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  1. Great! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can go home a few microseconds early today.

    1. Re:Great! by derGoldstein · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sir, please don't bring your heliocentric propaganda into this scientific discussion.

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    2. Re:Great! by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

      "We should also note that making a pseudo-sphere diameter smaller doesn't shorten the daylight/obscurity period on the said sphere. Even if Earth went to half its current diameter, days should remain the same length unless we change the rotation speed as they suggest in TFA."

      Shrinking the sphere and keeping the mass the same will increase the rotation speed. This is why the nutron star left behind after a supernova spins so fast. It's also the reason an ice skater spins faster when they draw in their arms. - Please hand in your geek card on your way out. ;)

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    3. Re:Great! by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Hu, that's pretty interesting but what's a nutron star again?"

      Irresistible bait for spelling Nazi's.

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    4. Re:Great! by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The question to ask yourself is - stationary in relation to what?

      Wasn't there a famous quote to the effect that you could say the earth was the center of the universe, but it just makes calculations needlessly difficult?

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    5. Re:Great! by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Einstein said everything was relative and that your perception depends on your point of view.

      Velocity is relative, but acceleration isn't relative. Rotation involves acceleration. So it isn't equivalent to say that X rotates around Y is the same as Y rotates around X. (Hypothetical example: consider a universe empty except for a single planet which is rotating. What does it mean to say it's rotating, without reference to background stars? Is it equivalent to a model where we say the planet doesn't rotate? No - we could see the difference in a centrifugal force causing the planet to bulge as it rotates.)

      On a funny note Wikipedia says:

      "is the astronomical theory that the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun and that the Sun is STATIONARY and at the center of the universe. "

      I don't see what's funny? It's perfectly correct that this is what heliocentrism means. And yes, it still wasn't correct - but the point is it was a vast improvement over geocentrism. The Wikipedia article already covers this, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism#The_view_of_modern_science .

  2. Now I'm late! by Subm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Crap, I was going to post something funny, but now I'm 1.26 microseconds late. Sorry, I gotta run...

  3. Re:Did this affect climate by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    either way, it's anthropogenic.

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  4. Re:Did this affect climate by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, I checked out that pizza link in your sig, and that is so cool! I wish the pizza place would be that good around here. I live in NYC and I can't even get them to leave their car to deliver pizza to my door, let alone all those other handy features they show there.

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  5. Re:What's with the red headline bar? by Tynin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It means that no one had posted anything to the comments of the story yet. And if you are a /. regular it's really a secret troll code telling you to rush in to comment about frosty piss and checking the post anonymously button while praying to the FSM that you beat all the other cowards to it. ;)

  6. FFS! by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, for fuck's sake! I've got too much shit to do already! And now, I have 1.26 microseconds less to do it in??!! Scheisse! Of course, maybe I shouldn't post on slashdot. Maybe that would save more than 1.26 microseconds.

    1. Re:FFS! by feepness · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, for fuck's sake! I've got too much shit to do already! And now, I have 1.26 microseconds less to do it in??!! Scheisse! Of course, maybe I shouldn't post on slashdot. Maybe that would save more than 1.26 microseconds.

      You could make love to your girlfriend a couple fewer times per week.

  7. Re:Did this affect climate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I knew it! I blame the political party I'm not affiliated with.

  8. GPS affected? by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this affect GPS for a short time? I understand that the USAF (or whoever runs it) will correct the system, but how quickly does this occur? Would it affect a JDAM bomb in flight, for example?

    1. Re:GPS affected? by feepness · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it was traveling at 400 miles per hour, 1.26 microseconds is 0.007 inches. I am assuming that is within detonation radius.

    2. Re:GPS affected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      A James Bond inch? How awesome!

    3. Re:GPS affected? by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 4, Informative

      If a guided missile is launched to fly into a window of an enemy-occupied building, the offset can be enough to make a difference between hitting the window and hitting the wall.

      GPS doesn't have the kind of precision to guide a shot like that regardless of whether the time is uncalibrated. If we need to launch a missile into a building and it is imperative that it enter the building through a small window, we would surely use laser or thermal guidance... not GPS.

  9. Re:How often do such quakes occur? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason the day length changes is because the quake caused a net motion of mass toward the center of the planet. This reduces the moment of inertia, and because of conservation of momentum, the planet's rotation must speed up.

    If this happened repeatedly, it would mean that the density of the planet was increasing. That can't happen to any significant degree, because it would involve compression, which requires a source of energy (note -- I don't mean that the increased rotation is due to an energy input, just that it takes energy to compress a planet). Earthquakes just move energy around, they do not create it. So over long spans of time, earthquakes tend to increase the length of the day by about as much as they decrease it. It all depends on whether the net motion was toward the center of the earth or away from it.

    This is based on my knowledge of physics, but I am not a geologist, so there may be complicating factors I don't know about. However, I'm pretty sure that the planet's density cannot increase arbitrarily.

  10. Re:I know we love sensationalist headlines, but by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remember, this is only what a model predicts, unlike what the headline suggests.

    Lemme guess: they used the Quake II engine?

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  11. Will it affect global climate? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will it affect global climate?

    Yes - the days are shorter, therefore less sunlight per day, ergo - global cooling!

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  12. Re:Did this affect climate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q. What do all ice ages have in common?

    A. They never happened! That's what they have in common, they have all been concocted by scientists with an agenda to undermine scripture.

    And for all those who think that this earthquake wasn't caused by Man ... well it was! Fornication, homosexuality, feminism, democracy, drug-taking, violent video games, on-line porn, science, charity, freedom of speech, blashpemy, etc. etc. all these evils will not go unpunished!

  13. Re:Did this affect climate by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You say this to make fun of the global warming debate, but theoretically it's not completely impossible that underground nuclear testing has something to do with the specifics of any earthquakes since the 1950s or so. Earthquakes are undoubtedly chaotic, and a series of megaton explosions underground might have shaken things a little and helped them get where they're going faster (temporarily).

    Mind you, I'm not claiming that's necessarily the case either (or even probably the case). Just that, much like a decent conspiracy theory, it's not entirely nonsense or outside the realm of possibility. (I'd guess that overall seismicity remains the same overall but chaotic effects will change the locations of, say, half the aftershocks next century.)

    USGS FAQ here.

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  14. Re:Did this affect climate by Mitchell314 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the fault of both the parties, you sheeple!

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  15. Re:I say everyone by derGoldstein · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder... Compare the total weight of the entire chinese population to the total weight of the entire population of the US. Who's heavier?

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  16. Re:I say everyone by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the US jumped a microsecond after China then the US would act as the wall and the earth would bounce into the opposite top corner pocket, haven't you ever played pool before.

    Dude, you're doing it all wrong, you want to put ENGLISH on the ball.

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  17. Re:Did this affect climate by butlerm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    theoretically it's not completely impossible that underground nuclear testing has something to do with the specifics of any earthquakes since the 1950s or so.

    No doubt. Theoretically, it is an absolute certainty that the migration of swallows to Capistrano has something to do with the specifics of every earthquake for centuries now.

  18. Re:Did this affect climate by AGMW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q. What do all ice ages have in common?

    A. They never happened! That's what they have in common, they have all been concocted by scientists with an agenda to undermine scripture.

    And for all those who think that this earthquake wasn't caused by Man ... well it was! Fornication, homosexuality, feminism, democracy, drug-taking, violent video games, on-line porn, science, charity, freedom of speech, blashpemy, etc. etc. all these evils will not go unpunished!

    Cool ... so how does this work then? Do we just pick our favourite 5 or something? OK ... give me a fornication, drug-taking, on-line porn, with a side of violent video games, and good God why not, throw in some blasphemy!

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  19. And then about the non-sarcasm part by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More people die in car accidents every single day than died in this earthquake.

    And that, I think, is actually a real problem---it would be really great if you could somehow get people to drive a bit more safely. It'd save a lot of lives, including the lives of a bunch of productive citizens, i.e. it'd also bring more material wealth for everybody.

    Yeah, sure, that shouldn't take the spotlight away from a recent significant event (which also has a lot of wounded and property damage).

    But maybe it's something worth pouring resources into?

  20. Re:Did this affect climate by dintech · · Score: 4, Informative

    As you probably already know, there are loads of other more mundane ways to instigate an earthquake. This wired article is quite interesting. To summarise:

    Build a Dam Inject Liquid Into the Ground Mine a Lot of Coal Drill a Gusher Dry Create the World’s Biggest Building
  21. Everyone stand up by caywen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think if everyone in the world stands up and raises their arms for 10 seconds once per year, we can compensate for this.

  22. Re:Did this affect climate by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Chaos Theory, a small change to the inputs can cause large changes to the results.

    However the changes are just as likelly to go in one direction as they are to go in the opposite direction: the butterfly effect is just as likelly to result in a typhoon instead of clear weather as it is to result in clear weather instead of a typhoon.

    Also, small changes to inputs can cause small changes to the outputs or even no changes at all (that's why it's called Chaos Theory) - plenty of butterflies flutter-about with out creating typhoons ;)

    If indeed the system that underpins earthquakes is chaotic, underground nuclear tests are just as likelly to have brought forward quakes as they are to have delayed quakes as they are not not have had much effect at all - in fact, they're likelly to have done all of them.

  23. Re:How often do such quakes occur? by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is based on my knowledge of physics, but I am not a geologist, so there may be complicating factors I don't know about. However, I'm pretty sure that the planet's density cannot increase arbitrarily.

    What goes up must come down...in geology, it's called istosasy. It's sort of like gravitational equilibrium. What sinks in one place is usually offset by a height increase elsewhere. Over years, the small geologic events (and yes, the Chile earthquake is small when measured in geologic units) balance themselves out. I would not worry too much about the lost microsecond. We'll gain it back next year.

  24. Its Ok, by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its ok though, because it offset the effect of the three gorges dam in china, which made the days longer. http://www.theenergylibrary.com/node/11435 sure, that dam lengthened the day by less than the earthquake shortened it, but we also have to account for other dams that have lengthened days.

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