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There Is No Cyberwar

crowfeather notes an interview with cybersecurity czar Howard Schmidt that Wired's Threat Level conducted this week. "Howard Schmidt, the new cybersecurity czar for the Obama administration, has a short answer for the drumbeat of rhetoric claiming the United States is caught up in a cyberwar that it is losing. 'There is no cyberwar,' Schmidt told Wired.com in a sit-down interview Wednesday at the RSA Security Conference in San Francisco. 'I think that is a terrible metaphor and I think that is a terrible concept,' Schmidt said. 'There are no winners in that environment.' Instead, Schmidt said the government needs to focus its cybersecurity efforts to fight online crime and espionage. His stance contradicts Michael McConnell, the former director of national intelligence who made headlines last week when he testified to Congress that the country was already in the midst of a cyberwar — and was losing it. ... There's been much ink spilled in recent years over the turf battles in D.C. over whether the NSA (representing the military) or DHS (on the civilian side) takes the lead role in cybersecurity. But... "I haven't seen that tension," Schmidt said. As for which will take the cybersecurity lead, Schmidt simply says it's a shared effort."

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  1. All this cyberwar bullshit by sopssa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have actually always wondered about this. I remember how we had to write a school subject about "chinese superhackers" newspaper article in the early 2000's. The Google thing was also showed off to be a work of amateurs, not some Chinese superhackers working for their government. For me it just starts to look like trying to put fear into people for whatever personal reason. "Chinese hackers working for their country to break into US systems" sure sounds cool and creates fear in people, but is there any actual truth behind it? As it is now it's almost like cold war carried over to new technological area. It also looks to be a common thing here on slashdot too - without actually even questioning if theres any truth behind it.

    1. Re:All this cyberwar bullshit by Jurily · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Chinese hackers are indistinguishable from Chinese bored teenagers. Or American bored teenagers. Seriously, who cares where they come from?

    2. Re:All this cyberwar bullshit by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, not much. Just a bunch of massive cyber attacks on the U.S. government's websites.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare#History_of_attacks

      Doesn't really matter if it's China behind any of it to call it a cyber war.

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    3. Re:All this cyberwar bullshit by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a cyber war, but it's within our own government, and it's over who gets the budget dollars to fight it.

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    4. Re:All this cyberwar bullshit by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Informative

      seriously: have you ever been an admin for any internet facing server?
      Hundreds of attacks a day is nothing amazing.
      That's background noise.

  2. There is no cyberwar... by H0p313ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... we have always been at war with Eurasia.

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  3. Re:And he's right. by jimbolauski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So that explains why the whitehouse banned the term war on terrorism.

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  4. So, wait... by Androclese · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you telling me I planted my Cyber War Victory Garden and bought Cyber War Bonds for nothing?!

    1. Re:So, wait... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      So tell me, who the hell do you have buried in the tomb of the Anonymous Soldier?

      An Anonymous Coward, of course.

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  5. ***Hand Waive*** by bobcat7677 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is no Cyber-War ...and these are not the droids you are looking for.

    1. Re:***Hand Waive*** by Itninja · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't waive your hand! You're going to need it someday!

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  6. Re:And he's right. by DIplomatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I definitely agree. I make sure my house and car are locked and secure but I wouldn't say that I am waging a war against burglary.

  7. Re:This guy sounds out of touch by jimbolauski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Incompetence has never been a reason for dismissial in government why start now.

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  8. Meh by Dracophile · · Score: 3, Funny

    There is no spoon.

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  9. CyberWar becomes Fiber War by GPLDAN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US owns the sea. the Chinese know this. Their sub technology is borrowed from the Soviets, and the Akula class is a barge underwater and it's all they got, and their Navy sucks.

    The US has shown it possess the technology to splice underwater fiber cables and tap them. Google it, they've already done it in the North Sea.

    And that is the trump card. China launches a major offensive against the world, they better have routes down through Korea, because every trans-pacific cable leading to the mainland will get cut in minutes.

    1. Re:CyberWar becomes Fiber War by HungryHobo · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.rense.com/general64/fore.htm

      There was an interesting war game played a while back: essentially it was nothing more than showing off how the US tactics couldn't ever possibly be defeated... which they proved by resetting the game after the opposing general "sank" most of the US fleet using nothing but a hodgepodge collection of small civilian boats.
      Seems save scumming is fine even in war games.
      The result was of course that the general playing the US side "won" since anything else would look bad.

  10. Aptly? by ink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it's a war, then the Constitution requires Congress to declare it. We have wars on poverty, drugs, terrorism; why do we need to further dilute what it means to be at war? I find Schmidt's comments refreshing; perhaps we could have a rational discussion about security without needlessly ratcheting up the fear machine. Traditionally wars had beginnings and endings -- that is to say, they had structure (not to be quaint). When we're eternally at war with concepts, it numbs the sentiment.

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  11. Re:This guy sounds out of touch by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see how emailing your post to the white house could fail to do the job. I mean "sounds out of touch"? How can anyone read that and not know he's not suited for the job?

    Seriously, focusing on online crime and espionage without re-engineering the internet to eliminate anonymity, instead of focusing on a Cyber-War buzzword with all the "but we're at war!" excuses for doing whatever they want? That's no way to exercise executive power! You're so right; how incompetent can you get?!

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  12. War on X by S77IM · · Score: 3, Funny

    We had a War on Poverty, and poverty increased.
    We had a War on Drugs, and drugs increased.
    We had a War on Terror, and terror increased.

    So, yeah, let's have a War on Cyber, and maybe cyber will increase too. Cybernetics? Cyborgs? Cyberspace? Cybering? I guess you take the good with the bad.

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  13. Let's see ... by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What would you call a regular series of attacks on our military headquarters using computers, hmmm?

    I'd call it "the daily life of a firewall". Seriously, check your firewall logs. Mine are being "attacked" every hour of every day and I'm not a military installation.

  14. IBM layoffs and coporate espionage by FriendlyPrimate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IBM has recently started directly laying off American developers and replacing them with Chinese developers working in the "CDL labs". They're doing this for code designed to run on System z mainframes, such as Rational HATS (half the team just moved to China in the past couple of weeks). The main reason why companies use System z at all is because it's supposed to be ultra-secure, and therefore it is used for the most sensitive of processes (like banks, etc...). How unrealistic would it be for a Chinese developer (either willingly, or coerced by the Chinese government) to plant security holes in IBM mainframe products? They did it with Google...isn't it logical that they'd also be trying to target IBM? It scares the heck out of me thinking how many Fortune 500 companies that use System z for their ultra-secure mainframes might be getting exposed to Chinese corporate espionage.