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Facebook Founder Accused of Hacking Into Rivals' Email

An anonymous reader notes a long piece up at BusinessInsider.com accusing Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg of hacking into the email accounts of rivals and journalists. The CEO of the world's most successful social networking website was accused of at least two breaches of privacy. In a two-year investigation detailing the founding of Facebook, Nicholas Carlson, a senior editor at Silicon Alley Insider, uncovered what he claimed was evidence of the hackings in 2004. "New information uncovered by Silicon Alley Insider suggests that some of the complaints [in a court case ongong since 2007] against Mark Zuckerberg are valid. It also suggests that, on at least one occasion in 2004, Mark used private login data taken from Facebook's servers to break into Facebook members' private email accounts and read their emails — at best, a gross misuse of private information. Lastly, it suggests that Mark hacked into the competing company's systems and changed some user information with the aim of making the site less useful. ... Over the past two years, we have interviewed more than a dozen sources familiar with aspects of this story — including people involved in the founding year of the company. We have also reviewed what we believe to be some relevant IMs and emails from the period. Much of this information has never before been made public. None of it has been confirmed or authenticated by Mark or the company." The single-page view doesn't have its own URL; click on "View as one page" near the bottom.

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  1. And you thought Mob Wars was nasty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lawyers throughout the US just had orgasms....

  2. Serious Allegations by Afforess · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a serious allegation. With all of the information Facebook aggregates, they potentially could unlock many people's emails and various other accounts with the family and personal information. Lots of people use simple things like their pets or parents birthdays as those reminder question answers, and Facebook could easily hold all the correct information to gain access to those accounts. If this case is proven true, I can see some new laws on how companies with this kind of information have to structure and protect it. Hopefully people will wake up and stop putting their personal information where Facebook and others can see...

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    1. Re:Serious Allegations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah but Google is different. They are nice. They do no evil, right?

    2. Re:Serious Allegations by icepick72 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't forget the facebook Friend Finder asks for your email account password to log into your email account automatically and match your contacts against the facebook user base. Although they promise not to keep that password, they could.

    3. Re:Serious Allegations by Selfbain · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do they have sarcasm on your planet?

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    4. Re:Serious Allegations by gparent · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because you're Jason Bourne?

  3. Re:Different password by santax · · Score: 5, Informative

    And what if all those other sites have a admin that can't be trusted? It's really not about facebook this issue. It's about broken trust and you can't really protect yourself against it. At least not if you want to use their services.

  4. Re:Stupid Users by Torodung · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, Facebook directly asks you for your email password so it can "Automatically connect you to others" through your ISP information (phonebook, etc.). They get quite clever with it, even using the ISP's logo, making it seem like it is an official service of the ISP.

    This goes a bit beyond, "stupid." This is a confidence scam.

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  5. Not Really Surprised by Kartoffel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you look at Facebook's dismal history of privacy policies and changes, it's really not that surprising. A person with flawed ethical standards tends to do unethical things.

    1. Re:Not Really Surprised by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Best comment on the story.

      While we must note, that accusations are only accusations. I could accuse you of rape right now. Wouldn’t make it a single bit more true.

      But Zuckerberg to me has no better moral standards than a criminal. You know. Like an agent of some totalitarian state. Or like someone who steals other people’s identities for a living.

      I really want Facebook to die and be replaced by a version that honors privacy. Something with an ethical code.
      Oh, even better: A P2P social network. Wouldn’t that be something?

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    2. Re:Not Really Surprised by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      And that's not even mentioning the history of accusations against Zuckerberg for questionably ethical behavior:

      http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/21129674/the_battle_for_facebook

  6. Re:And what will the Register say? by Kartoffel · · Score: 4, Funny

    If at all possible, they'll use the word "boffin" in there somewhere, too.

  7. Breach of privacy by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kinda puts his comments that "No one has any reasonable expectation of privacy anymore" into a whole new light, doesn't it?

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  8. He'll Probably Get Off Easy by IonOtter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A friend once made the observation that no big-time, fast-track success story in the world of IT ever makes it without doing something that gets them into serious hot water at least once. Once they do that, they offer a bunch of mea culpas, make a few donations here and there, then make bank. (The slow-track success stories don't usually fit that theory.)

    This is a bit different, seeing as he's already made bank, and it's a skeleton coming out of the closet, but I still think he'll get off easy.

    Remember, it's not how much justice you can get, it's how much you can afford.

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    1. Re:He'll Probably Get Off Easy by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In fairness, in the corporate world there are so many pitfalls that it's essentially impossible to navigate through them all without a strong team of lawyers and accountants.

      Laws in America are so complex and vague that the average american commits three felonies a day. The same difficulties apply to companies. Even something as straightforward as paying a CEO takes legal specialists dedicated to that specific area of law. Even think of the difficulties of complying with Sarbanes Oxley from an IT perspective. It takes time to set up all the infrastructure, and if you were a startup, you may not even have had a dedicated sys admin. Then suddenly you have all these regulations you have to comply with.

      Not that I'm trying to excuse Zuckerberg. If he was stealing other people's emails, he should go to jail, a much better candidate for jailtime than Terry Childs.

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  9. Color me surprised... by xlsior · · Score: 4, Informative

    He isn't exactly known to believe in privacy in the first place, after all:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-privacy
    The rise of social networking online means that people no longer have an expectation of privacy, according to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.
    Talking at the Crunchie awards in San Francisco this weekend, the 25-year-old chief executive of the world's most popular social network said that privacy was no longer a "social norm".

  10. Re:Different password by Bronster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Facebook also had a thing "give us your gmail or hotmail password and we'll log in and retrieve your contact email addresses and offer you to add them as friends if they have a Facebook account already" - presumably they stored those passwords as well.

  11. Re:Stupid Users by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

    using the same password for their email account as they do with their social networking sites then people should expect to be compromised.

    I suggest you use 4 types of passwords, one for accounts that wouldnt effect u much, one for email, one for social sites and IM, and one for bank accounts; with none of the passwords having anything to do with each other, e.g redball, orangeball,greenball... or whiteball, soccer, redflag ... as this limits the guess work.

    Supposedly they did,

    "Here's how Mark described his hack to a friend:

    Mark used his site, TheFacebook.com, to look up members of the site who identified themselves as members of the Crimson. Then he examined a log of failed logins to see if any of the Crimson members had ever entered an incorrect password into TheFacebook.com. If the cases in which they had entered failed logins, Mark tried to use them to access the Crimson members' Harvard email accounts. He successfully accessed two of them."

    this "hack" was probably just stupid curiosity which will probably get him arrested, and once that happens he will loose a lot of control of the company.

    I have no idea whether this stuff it true or provable, but if the article is accurate this wasn't curiosity. This was some seriously immoral/dishonest stuff.

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  12. Re:Different password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook also had a thing "give us your gmail or hotmail password and we'll log in and retrieve your contact email addresses and offer you to add them as friends if they have a Facebook account already" - presumably they stored those passwords as well.

    And I had a thing, "Anyone who asks for your password is lying. Don't give it to them. And if they say they really need it, don't do business with them."

    Of course, it was 1989. But the neckbeard taught me right.

  13. Facebook users get what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Web 2.0 has proven itself nothing more than a private takeover of the public infrastructure of the net. FB wants to displace everything from email to irc. If people want to commit their information to sharks who want to mnetize their personal information, they get what they deserve.

  14. Nothing about this is surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This doesn't surprise me, only confirms what I've thought about Zuckerberg.

    1) I believe he stole Facebook from the ConnectU founders. I believe the assertions that he was hired as a developer and dragged his feet while forming his own company which eventually became Facebook.

    2) I believe he has no scruples when it comes to Facebook users' data. He has publicly stated that he knows what's best for "his" users and this arrogance shines through every time the UI is abruptly changed.

    3) I believe he will do whatever he pleases with users' information. I don't think that privacy laws provide guidance to him but instead are constraints that he will bypass given any opportunity.

    I'm pleased to see that he is being publicly exposed - I doubt anything will come of it - but am glad for him to be seen as he truly is, an arrogant and unscrupulous bad person. This latest revelation may finally send him where he belongs . . .

    banking.

  15. Re:Stupid Users by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mark used his site, TheFacebook.com, to look up members of the site who identified themselves as members of the Crimson. Then he examined a log of failed logins to see if any of the Crimson members had ever entered an incorrect password into TheFacebook.com. If the cases in which they had entered failed logins, Mark tried to use them to access the Crimson members' Harvard email accounts. He successfully accessed two of them.

    This is why I always have an "OH &*#$#^!" moment whenever I accidentally enter the wrong password into the wrong form. It's a mad rush to change the password to whatever service/server the password really belongs to. Thankfully, it's usually different usernames...

  16. Re:So will he get a mug shot now? by GigsVT · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good thing you are not a lawyer, it's from the date it was committed.

    The point of such statutes is because after a long time has passed, the defense is less able to form a coherent defense since a lot of the evidence is gone.

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  17. The difference by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The heads of Google take their job seriously. Zuckerberg is just a douchebag who was at the right place at the right time.