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Time To Take the Internet Seriously

santosh maharshi passes along an article on Edge by David Gelernter, the man who (according to the introduction) predicted the Web and first described cloud computing; he's also a Unabomber survivor. Gelernter makes 35 predictions and assertions, some brilliant, some dubious. "6. We know that the Internet creates 'information overload,' a problem with two parts: increasing number of information sources and increasing information flow per source. The first part is harder: it's more difficult to understand five people speaking simultaneously than one person talking fast — especially if you can tell the one person to stop temporarily, or go back and repeat. Integrating multiple information sources is crucial to solving information overload. Blogs and other anthology-sites integrate information from many sources. But we won't be able to solve the overload problem until each Internet user can choose for himself what sources to integrate, and can add to this mix the most important source of all: his own personal information — his email and other messages, reminders and documents of all sorts. To accomplish this, we merely need to turn the whole Cybersphere on its side, so that time instead of space is the main axis. ... 14. The structure called a cyberstream or lifestream is better suited to the Internet than a conventional website because it shows information-in-motion, a rushing flow of fresh information instead of a stagnant pool."

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  1. Serious by shird · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:Serious by Tynin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the issue is David Gelernter failed to predict how most of the Internet communities talk to each other. Not to mention it would require a massive restructuring of the Internet, but given the latest whispers of what ACTA will bring us, I guess it is more likely than not.

    2. Re:Serious by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh Great!, Now I have to marry the internet?

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  3. condition: buzzword alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My language parser borked on 'cybersphere.' The words 'cyber' and 'virtual' leave a terrible aftertaste making whatever came later deteriorate into gibberish.. oh wait, this whole thing is gibberish to begin with. gibberish that seems (not entirely sure) to be a justification for everyone to throw their data (and I mean ALL their data) into the public space for the sake of...I'm not entirely sure, but I'll assume it's in the interests of whatever social/political/economic institutions he's a member of.

    I know, how about letting the user decide the 'how' as well as the 'what' when it comes to interfacing with the technology at his disposal? I know, I know, that would be asking people to think for themselves for a few nanoseconds and we can't have that or else the terrorists win, the children lose, and 'freedom' dies. damn, what was I thinking? Gotta dumb everything down so even the most dull witted soccer mom can process it without the knees jerking upward..

    1. Re:condition: buzzword alert by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly, kind of, I think.

      The Internet is not a thing like the 'winter olympics' or recording industry. The Internet is the system of communications systems which allow the transfer of information (as well as aggregation, falsification, and overload of). It changes the source of information for those who regularly access it when compared to the time before the Internet.

      What needs to be discussed is not cyber this, or virtual that, but how users use information. Lets face it, for a large portion of the population the phrase 'use information' is rather optimistic. Aggregating information, presenting it in a way that is both intuitive and useful is something of a holy grail. We've seen many attempts to do things like this, and each of them has their fans and foes. What is being suggested is essentially that we all need to have one set of cultural values. Looks good on paper, but it makes a huge mess of things in real life.

      Then again, look at Microsoft Windows. How may people do you know that think this is how computers are supposed to work, and anything not like Windows is weird?

      A single cultural viewpoint is wrong.

  4. Re:Take the internet seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ?! Stop staring at me, goddammit! I'm schizophrenic and you're goddamn staring is exacerbating my paranoia! FUCK!!

  5. Time to start taking ourselves too seriously by michaelmalak · · Score: 5, Funny
    Time to start taking ourselves too seriously

    No moment in technology history has ever been more exciting or dangerous than now, when I started speaking.

  6. Re:Take the internet seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Parent was talking to me idiot.

  7. Re:Dear software engineers by jo42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    replace HTTP/JavaScript/Flash/what-have-you

    Every time I do "web development", I feel like I'm duct taping popsicle sticks together to build a house and then throwing in a bit of mud to seal the holes. Even after 10+ years everything still feels like a really bad hack/kludge/bodge.

  8. The question is how accurate are the predictions. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone can make a prediction. I'll make a prediction right now that one day we'll have a man on Mars.

    The problem is how ACCURATE is the prediction. And his predictions are pretty useless. They're filled with current buzzwords and have no falsifiable content. Take prediction #5:

    5. Consider Web search, for example. Modern search engines combine the functions of libraries and business directories on a global scale, in a flash: a lightning bolt of brilliant engineering. These search engines are indispensable -- just like word processors. But they solve an easy problem. It has always been harder to find the right person than the right fact. Human experience and expertise are the most valuable resources on the Internet -- if we could find them. Using a search engine to find (or be found by) the right person is a harder, more subtle problem than ordinary Internet search. Small pieces of the problem have been attacked; in the future we will solve this hard problem in general, instead of being satisfied with windfalls and the lowest-hanging fruit on the technology tree.

    WTF? I'm not going into whether a search engine is an "easy problem". Everything is easy once it has been done by someone else.

    But why does he believe that finding PEOPLE is an issue? This is the INTERNET. You can find published information ABOUT people. But PEOPLE are not abstracted and defined on the Internet.

    And yes, in the "future" this "problem" will be "solved". When, how, where and by whom is skipped. So this "prediction" cannot be falsified. Therefore, it can never be shown to be wrong.

    That article is crap.

  9. Contradiction. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's "...someone worth paying attention to..." but he cannot make decent predictions about the material he is supposed to be worth listening to about?

    He cannot even clearly define the buzz words he fills his "predictions" with. That article is not worth reading.

  10. Gelernter who. . ? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, it seems that David Gelerter was blown up by the Unabomber, survived and wrote a book about the experience. In a cavalier attempt to "Take the Internet Seriously" I dredged up two reviews from Amazon's customer comments which show opposing valances of political opinion regarding the book's content. I thought it might help to explain the kind of filters Mr. Gelerter views the world through and thus help one decide whether his little treatise on the Internet is worth anything.

    Review Number One. . .

    "Drawing Life" is by David Gelernter, a computer science professor who survived one of Ted Kaczynski's mail bombs.

    The book is about a well educated, intelligent man who has descended into a fear of the future and a hatred of the society that nurtured him, who dreams of a glorious American past that never really existed, who has written a venomous yet pedestrian political tract that would never have been printed without the author's notoriety, and who has come to the conclusion that sometimes people must be deliberately killed to remake society.

    This book is also about the Unabomber.

    Gelernter has endured an awful lot, and for this one is prepared to grant him slack. If he's cranky, he's certainly earned the right to be this way.

    Yet, I've come away disappointed, not just with "Drawing Life," but with Gelernter himself. He is a profoundly bitter man who believes modern society has been ruined not just by the Unabomber but by the likes of unwed mothers, liberals, lawyers, feminists, intellectuals, working mothers, left-wing journalists, Hillary Clinton, and the usual gang of suspects straight from Rush Limbaugh's enemies list.

    Tiresome and unoriginal. Not worth reading.

    And David, enough with the kvetching already!

    Review Number Two. . .

    One of the most powerfully written and elegantly thought out books I have ever read. Should be mandatory reading for every American. I used to think only Vietnam veterans had this kind of sane view of the world after adversity. I was wrong. Buy it, read it, pass it along.

    Right. So Gelernter is passing judgment on the great social commons known as the Internet, is he?

    I'll pass, thanks.

    -FL

  11. Re:Dear software engineers by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it is. You have a sessionless protocol trying to do sessions. Amusingly enough written on top of a connection based protocol (so you have a session built in- the TCP connection). You have a text markup language based on the idea of the client choosing how to display data being used to display pixel perfect displays. You have a language that they had so much faith in they decided to name it after another popular language in hopes people would confuse them. And that language has no built in method for transfering data to/from the server or doing RPCs, you have the whole AJAX hack thrown in on top to do that. There's nothing about the whole stack that's well designed for modern uses. But its universal, so we're stuck with it unless Mozilla and MS work together to push out something new.

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  12. it already exists by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's called usenet.

    The web 2.0 version is RSS feed of a blog (woohoo). And the application is an RSS agregator.

    Taken to it's logical end point you get Lotus Notes.
     

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