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Jobs Says No Tethering iPad To iPhone
tugfoigel writes "Anyone who currently owns an iPhone and was hoping they would be able to use it as a mobile Web access point for a Wi-Fi iPad just got some bad news. Reportedly, Steve Jobs has said this will not happen. Swedish blog Slashat.se claims they e-mailed Jobs directly to ask him whether or not you'd be able to tether your iPad and iPhone and received a terse 'No' in reply. According to the report, the email headers made it plausible that the reply had come from Jobs's iPhone."
Personally I'd like to know how he thinks he's going to stop it. Nothing like telling someone 'no' to challenge them.
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You're confused. This isn't about tethering something through iPad. This is about tethering iPad (the model without 3G) through iPhone. It's something that you can do with any cheapo netbook and any cheapo phone (not even smartphone).
I don't see why anyone should be "allowing" (much less "not allowing") me to tether things the way I want, either. In fact, this kind of thing - "Unlimited mobile data plan for just $X! <small>for use with selected mobile devices with provider-supplied Web browser application only!</small>", which is so prevalent in North America, really irks me - back in my home country, I would get a proper data plan which lets me use teh tube however I see fit, without any such bullshit, for those very same $X (usually less, in fact).
I would pay more for the option. But I'm still waiting for AT&T to enable tethering on the iPhone.
While I'm here... my biggest gripe is no multi-tasking. Apple enables multi-tasking, they sell me an iPad... it's that simple. Heck, I'd take limited background APIs. But the fact that no third-party multitasking is allowed will keep the device out of my hands.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
Steve must produce additional sizes of iPod Touch before they can join to form iVoltron.
I'm expected to pay the service provider 30$ for home Internet, 30$ for phone and now 30$ for tablet?! Very soon our cars will be connected devices and not long after that glasses, watches, etc. Are we supposed to keep paying up per device? It's highly unreasonable, specially since most people don't use two devices at the same time.
Steve Jobs could through a baby into a industrial tree shredder and you would still defend him.
When they came for the people who misappropriated Niemoeller for stupid shit they suddenly realized they were going to a much larger lake of flaming brimstone than they had originally thought necessary.
This is Slashdot, wake up people.
How hard is it to forge headers, it's not like his email was signed with a cert?
Maybe I should send a story in with fake headers and see if it gets posted...
He won't have been able to get it, since God is testing his faith.
Sorry, but at least part of the problem is, why am I expected to buy separate data plans for each mobile device that I have? I have paid for a data plan for my phone, so why should I have to pay for an additional plan for either the iPad or the MiFi?
That's the reason you get such a discount compared to a $60 a month 5 GB plan...
What's the reason? Is the "unlimited" data plan for the iPhone or iPad capped under 5GB? If AT&T wanted to charge $60 for 5GB, they easily could have done that, but they chose to charge $30 for "unlimited" data. If I use a set amount of data, what difference does it make to them if some of that data passes to another device?
Let's just be honest hear: They're charging too much and imposing arbitrary restrictions because there's minimal competition, minimal regulation, and they believe that their customers will put up with being charged for a separate plan for each and every device they own.
FYI, there's also AAA, C, D and 9 volts meetings.
I guess it depends on the size of the rock you choose to crack it.
You sir just sent the English Language screaming through a tree shredder.
Science advances one funeral at a time- Max Planck
The more I read about the iPad's failings, the more I'd love to do this to a (free) one...
"We never even turned it on!"
Windows 3.1x calc: 3.11 - 3.10 = 0.00
In what way is the DRM in Windows 7 harming me?
Tthe glitch where it thinks it's been pirated and down grades you to changing to a black background and nags you to buy a real copy (even though you are using one)
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I'm outraged. Absolutely outraged. This is unprecedented. Unheard of.
I scream. You scream. I assume that means we're both acquainted with the problem. We proceed.
This is Apple we're talking about. It just works. Unless of course it doesn't, in which case you didn't need to do it anyway. Think different!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
It's a shame that in the 21st century you buy a device like that and then you have to ask permission to the company that made it for doing something obvious. The iPad can do that, but they prevent you from doing it via software, just because if you want to do something like that, they want you to spend even more money on another of their devices. So actually they don't make money on what they give you, but on what they take away from you. The EU has much more articulated antitrust laws than US (see MS Windows browser case), let's hope they'll do something, sooner or later. BTW, I'm a Linux and GNU and FLOSS supporter, so from my point of view Microsoft is nothing more than a company that tries to do its business, but before MS came along all kinds of computers where closed like Apples. Microsoft opened up the market and spurred strong competition between hardware producers so that now we have better tecnology at lower prices, now with Apple we can see again what the closed world was like. Will the apple hype ever deflate in front of such things?
A couple other people have pointed out niche business uses for the iPad. The general market may not be the /. crowd, but it's not your niche, either.
And if the iPad browser doesn't support your web app just the way you want it you can't install a browser that does. Which kinda sucks. Apple's control over the device, to me, makes it poorly suited to any business use.
Funny, I've heard the same statement from Linux/Ubuntu users as well. :)
Steve Jobs could through a baby into a industrial tree shredder and you would still defend him.
In his defense the baby was being kind of a dick.
Steve Jobs could through a baby into a industrial tree shredder and you would still defend him.
In his defense the baby was being kind of a dick.
Yeah we don't know what was that baby's problem.
At least with Linux you can code the feature in. Same with Windows (Mobile). Even with goddamn Symbian.
$60 a month for 5GB limited 3G plan with some additional device? Jeez. I pay around $20 a month for 1 Mbit/s unlimited 3G and they happily send extra sim cards if you want to use the same contract with extra devices and no bullshit clauses about tethering etc.
A giant customized Starbucks in Cupertino California where lattes and no soy skim macchiatos are given out free to all employees. The background music involves a playlist of Nora Jones, David Matthews, John Mayer, and Bono on loop from an Ipod docked somewhere in the Apple/Starbucks facility. Hours are long but morale is surprising high as developers, hardware and software, are given 30 minute breaks to masturbate to the new itunes interface.
All developers sit at cafe type tables with a Mac Book Pro while their lord and master Steve Jobs stands deskless in his predictable attire of a turtleneck and jeans. In fact, this is the preferred (mandatory) dress code at Apple. Jobs walks around to each and every department, separated by latte and vegan preferences, and checks on the performance and efficiency of his developers. At any given point in the day one may see Mr Jobs yelling at a programmer for not implementing a button in the perfect shade of corn flower blue (#6495ED) and immediately sends him to the apple punitive chamber, consisting of a HP Compaq running Vista Basic.
There are 2 software development departments and 2 hardware development sections in Apple. For software there is the Apple core team, Apple Open Source team. In hardware there is the Apple systems and management team and the iDevice team. Since the OSX kernel consists of a BSD darwin kernel there is no real need for low level programmers and as such the entirety of the Apple core team consists of UI designers and photoshop junkies. All software churned out from the core team is designed in a program strikingly similar to Visual Studio's form designer but with Cocoa Objective C generated instead. The 16 hour day (Jobs demands 16 hour days since he himself never sleeps) of a core dev involves lining up the right shade of chrome with the latest photoshopped graphite button and maintaining the correct color scheme, not an easy job at all.
The Apple open source team involves a little bit more coding, which is mandated to be done in TextEdit or the option of a $80 third party mac text editor. The Apple open source team doesn't actually create much code but searches the internet for interesting BSD licensed software and modifies it as it's own through obfuscation and conversion to objective C. Many of the items a mac user sees comes from the open source world stamped by apple such as the ability to play music taken from 67 different originally linux based players, CD burning, and the overall ability to click a mouse. Apple's legal department has no qualms about this practice and has assured many that since most of the code is BSD and if any is GPLed many Linux hippies should be grateful that Apple fostered WebKit by using KHTML and adding some Gecko bloat. Perhaps one of the most important items that the open source team has done to date is use parts of the FreeBSD to keep the kernel up to date.
There's not much to say about the Apple systems and management team. I suppose they can be classified in to desktop and laptop systems. Because hardware work is beneath Apple in general and thought of being only worthy of Windows Users and as such can be found working on these beauties in the starbucks bathroom. Desktops are currently made by buying dell machines and putting them in Lian Li cases, where the majority of the costs goes to buying titanium Apple emblems to paste on the sides. Laptops consists of the rebranding of only the most silver and black Sony Viaos but talk has been going around about rebranding Asus EeePCs for a new Apple netbook but you didn't hear that from me, for fear of my life.
The iDevice team's job is to develop for the ipod, iphone, itouch, and many other portable electronics apple may release in the future. Their jobs are very interconnected with the open source team as well as the core dev team. Using firmware from random samsung devices and giving it an OSX skin the ipod stands as a shining example that infringement only applies to greasy file sharers and that the music player remains the best in market
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/27/ipad-sdk-3-2-details-external-display-file-sharing-system-no-multitasking/
Apple has unleashed iPhone OS 3.2 SDK to developers today to prepare for the launch of the Apple iPad. The new iPhone OS 3.2 only runs on the iPad device and will not run on the iPhone or iPod Touch.
- No Multitasking. Only one application runs at a time according to official documentation.
I think you're confusing background processes with the term multitasking. iPad and iPhone both do multitasking just fine. You could be operating an app or playing a game, take a call and get back to whatever you were doing since the bulk of the application have a clever way of pausing and resuming.
Background apps which aren't made by Apple (iPod, email, ical) are a terrible idea. Aside with the battery drain issues and bandwidth usage problems it eats into CPU cycles. As a developer I only test with stock devices and don't have the resources to test my application against 140,000 apps to see how they play together, especially when I'm pushing the CPU to its developer alloted limits.
Why in the world would I want to share cycles with apps from other developers on a task oriented portable device? It's bad enough there are unforeseen push notifications from different vendors fucking up the UX, now I have to bend over backwards and play nice with every resource hog on the app store? No thanks.
I think you'd be better off with a laptop. Background apps are bullshit, I don't care how well they are coded. They introduce uncertainty into the mix and I don't want to guess what my users are going to experience.
Maybe because the devices his company produces do what most people want, and do those things really well.
I'm not going to argue with your main point but there are a couple of statements you make that I do disagree with.
Disclosure: I just got over a 36 hour iPhone binge, where I thought my old phone had broken and it turned out that the iPhone was the cheapest smartphone I could actually get given my upgrade status, so I tried one. I returned it the next day.
I also own an iPod, and I do love that.
Given my experience with the iPhone (and the iPod), I don't believe these devices do anything particularly well. What I think is that they don't do anything badly. That's a different thing. Apple is really good at not fucking things up for most people, and at not allowing most people to fuck things up for themselves. They are not very good at doing anything that's particularly amazing, or inspiring, or whatever you want to call it.
Just one example. Turn on the iPhone and what do you see? (I mean after you "slide to unlock", which you're forced to do every time you turn the screen on.) Yep, a sea of basically random tiny icons. This is the "revolutionary" interface some people talk about - random tiny icons. The home screen on the iPhone is almost totally useless. Without the tiny little message indicator above the email icon and the date on the calendar icon, there would be no reason to even look at it.
Most people buying iPhones have never used another smartphone, or at least not another good one, so they don't know what they're missing. I'm not sure they're going to be as forgiving of the same interface on the iPad.
It is an appliance for me, and I am happy that it just does the job I want it to do.
That's fine, and my wife loves her iPhone too and I'm happy that she's happy with it.
But what's wrong with giving people options? That was one of the reasons I returned my iPhone. I am completely fine with people getting a device and then just not even bothering to touch it except for making calls and sending emails using all the default stuff that it comes with. My wife got hers because it supports Japanese natively (which Windows Mobile doesn't and I don't think Android does either), and she can easily write emails in either language using the virtual keyboard. She never even bothered with the app store until literally six months after she got it. That's okay, her priority is just to have a phone with Japanese support that works out of the box and she loves it for that.
But what's wrong with giving the rest of us the option to do more? Why limit it? I mean seriously, why? It is borderline sadistic on the part of Jobs, to basically say "our phone is really powerful but WE WILL NOT LET YOU tap that power, and you therefore must deal with the experience created for the lowest common denominator even though this device is capable of doing anything you might want it to do."
I mean, you can't even disable "slide to unlock". You can't alter the home screen. You can't replace the weaksauce email app that doesn't even seem to have a "mark all as read" function that I could find. Why not? How does it hurt anybody to put in the option to do those basic things? What, they're afraid of support calls? So you make a function that's buried in some hidden menu that says "geek mode" and you put a little checkbox next to it. And you bury the instructions on how to find that menu on some members-only web site, and then it gets distributed through sites like Slashdot that only geeks read anyway. The geeks are happy, the normals are happy, what's the problem?
My first computer was an Apple II, and I loved it precisely because it was so open. This is a different Apple these days, and it's unlikely that I'll buy another multi-purpose device from them again. I do like my iPod, but it is intended to do one thing: play media. Just not screwing up a device's intended function is enough on a single-purpose device, especially because so many other manufacturers do. But I need more than that on a device that's intended to be "smart", which to me means it's not supposed to be limited to the functionality it has when it arrives in the box.
You've heard
It just works.
said about Linux? The biggest problem with Linux is it doesn't "just work". It in fact often "doesn't work" unless you go hunting for patches (which are almost always third party) and install them and all sorts of other stuff just to get stuff to work halfway decently. Linux only "just works" if you've gotten someone else to either vet the hardware and specific models or set up the computer themselves. And then it stops "just working" whenever you want to install any new applications that aren't completely mainstream within the community for that distro.
The problem is, the carriers are bound and determined to call the crappy plan "unlimited" because it makes them sound generous. They don't want to have a "we really (well, sorta) mean it this time" plan because then they start to look like the liars they are. They ESPECIALLY don't want to start talking about $/GB because then customers might (GASP!) start comparison shopping.
Linux "just works" unless you have unsupported hardware. Same as Apple -- except that a lot more hardware is supported under Linux, these days. There's a reason Apple doesn't allow third-party boxes to run OS X.
Well, my experience from using Symbian smartphones is that it doesn't work great with other phones. My problems included constant memory leaks (both from 3rd party apps and apps that came with the phones), CPU hogging while running in the background, apps never shutting down (even when told to) and instead just living on as 5% CPU and RAM-stealing zombies, most of the time on my last Nokia phone I would get about 60-80 hours before it would lock up so badly due to low memory that it wouldn't even allow me to answer incoming calls(!) and I'd be forced to "reboot" it by removing the battery. If this was the only Symbian phone I'd owned I would've been inclined to assume it was a problem with that specific phone, but I've had these problems on two Symbian phones of my own and I've also seen this happen on phones belonging to friends of mine.
/Mikael
Greylisting is to SMTP as NAT is to IPv4
Jobs's reply--"No. Sent from my iPhone"
The big news here is that even Steve Jobs himself can't figure out how to turn off that annoying sig line.
Linux "just works" unless you have unsupported hardware.
So it works unless it doesn't. Who woulda thought it! Behold the miracle of open source!
Plainly, as with any other multitasking system, such problems depend on the apps.
You've just chosen better-behaved applications than GP has.
Kid-proof tablet..
The real difference is that with Linux it can be tricky to tell if any particular bit of hardware is supported.
With Apple it's obvious - if it's supported, it costs twice as much.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I just spent the last three hours debugging and fixing Xorg on my Intel Q35 onboard graphics adapter, under the Fedora 12 Linux distro. My eyes are bleary, and I have to be at work in five hours, but I actually feel pretty good. I read your comment and started smirking like a jackass.
Short version: Xorg and the kernel have completely fux0rd the current (2.9-ish) Intel GPU support. For some reason, Fedora shipped this pile of steaming crap with F12, and so many people with fast, stable, accelerated graphics (beautiful Compiz!) under F10 and F11 have found themselves sorely disappointed by F12. I was one of those people, this weekend, when I finally got around to upgrading to F12.
But I feel good, not shitty. My problem is solved: I have Compiz working fine and fast at full res. I spent some quality time with Google, and I re-learned how to use 'xrandr' and 'xorg.conf', and I hard-coded all the modelines I need (which the X driver can't seem to figure out, on its own), and there you go.
Yeah, I'm a smug bastard. And any Fedora release certainly ships with more bugs than any OSX release. But dammit, it's nice to be able to fix stuff when it breaks, instead of staring mutely like an ape at some smooth, sealed, non-user-serviceable $700 white plastic brick.
Much as I want to strangle certain members of FESCo right now, I still wouldn't trade my F12 install DVD for anything else. (Except maybe F11. Those fuckers.)
And the haters would come out and say "I don't want to throw babies into a shredder, I want to to shred kittens. Why won't Apple let me do this, WRYYYY ? OMG Apple is teh suxxorz."
Surely whether you want to shred kittens and/or babies it's fundamentally the same process? What you're saying is that Apple doesn't understand Object Oriented Programming.
In that case you should have your hearing checked. When something does not work in Linux the reaction is 'make it work, the source is available, did you file a bug report' - a marked difference I'd say. For the average user the end result might be similar but in Linux' case all it takes is a not so average user to make it work.
Another very big difference becomes apparent when that user finally makes it work while another similar user makes his Apple-branded product do the same...
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Indeed. I don't have landline connection to my home, so I use a Sony Ericsson K800i 3G dumb-phone to connect my computers to the net. I just got a bluetooth dongle so I don't need to use the USB datacable anymore (it was a real pain: my phone gets a reliable 3G signal only by the living-room window, so I had to arrange the room to suit. But no more). "Tethering" is a simple function that even my ancient nokia 3220 (vintage circa 2002?) could handle. Then I read posts by excited iPhone users describing the various hoops they have to jump through to do the same with their wondrous gadget. Puh-leeeze!! Incidentally, I've got my phone on a "pay as you go" basis, which gives a week's "unlimited mobile internet use" for a couple of pounds. According to the small print, this is meant to be just internet use by the phone - web browsing with the phone's browser, email via the built-in email client and so on. Use of phone "as modem" is specifically forbidden. Yet I've been engaging in this forbidden behaviour for several years now, often downloading up to a GB of data in a day. I was more cautious in the beginning, fearing that large data transfer would set off the alarms. But I'm now pretty confident that my service provider *can't* easily differentiate between the different types of usage. I've heard that Vodafone UK is more on the ball in this respect. But my provider is either lazy or dumb, or maybe both. Though you'll note I haven't named them here, I don't want to tempt fickle fate too much!
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You can't be serious. You can't. I've used various flavors of unix for roughly three decades, and as much as I love it I just can't agree with that statement. Linux requires tweaking and knowing arcane stuff. I'm sorry, but it simply doesn't "just work". Ok, granted, you can pop in an ubuntu disk and be up and running lickety split, but "it just works" as a meme means more than it "just works". It means you can go about your task thinking more about your task than about the OS. Linux is simply not there yet.
Uh, at least with Ubuntu, the list of unsupported hardware includes such minor things as all Nvidia graphics cards. They work fine with the (supported) default driver, but without any OpenGL.
I've installed the official driver manually, and now every time there's a kernel upgrade (which seems to happen about once every other week right now), the graphical user interface breaks, and I'm dropped back to the command line. Then I have to reinstall the Nvidia driver manually again to get back to work. It took me about two hours to locate the problem and find the solution for the first time (it's not like the system tells you what is broken, it just doesn't work).
Note that the kernel upgrades pop up automatically with the message "there are important updates you should install" and are only a click on "install" away.
So, tell me how my mother should be able to handle that?
unsupported hardware.
No such thing in Linux. There's "experimental driver", though.
Bingo. They aren't allowed to fix prices, because that's illegal. So they do the next best thing. They make it impossible for the customer to compare prices for what he is getting.
This is like buying a car. Every time I've tried to buy a car, the salesman has tried to make the deal more complicated. Let's talk trade in! Nope. I'm selling my car separately. Well how about financing? Nope, I'm paying cash. What about this nifty special warranty the dealer offers? I'd rather just hand you the money than going through that charade. And no, I'm not handing you the money. Well, an extended manufacturer warranty? I'll self-insure, thank you.
You see, we both know on some level that what I want to buy is a car. The dealer is trying to trick me into forgetting that.
What I want from a mobile carrier is bandwidth. Period. I don't want to use *their* app store. I don't want to use *their* messaging service. I don't want a relationship with them other than this: I pay them monthly, and I get to make/receive phone calls and send data.
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Oh, please. This isn't done to make things "simple", it's done to make you pay more. That's all there is to it, you're just making excuses. Ever wondered why you Mac Fanboys are so despised? Perhaps you wouldn't be if you didn't feel the need to do ridiculous PR exercises to save Apple's image all the time. They're not working for your best interest, so you should feel no obligation to work for them.
The NVIDIA and ATI proprietary drivers have been easily installed in Ubuntu by a program called jockey since the 7.x releases. It's under System --> Administration --> Hardware drivers. It can be launched from the CLI if you so choose with either jockey-gtk or jockey-text. Installing NVIDIA or ATI drivers is as simple as clicking on the driver and clicking "install." When there is a kernel update, DKMS automatically recompiles the driver for the new kernel so there is no screwing around with that any more either.
"Frequently wrong, never in doubt."
To pull out an ancient quote:
Unix is user friendly, it's just picky about who it makes friends with.
I guess Linux just doesn't like you.
Forget diamonds, copyright is forever.
I understand your frustration, but you're doing it wrong. If you use the official hardware drivers program in the administration menu, kernel upgrades will not cause this behavior. (This is actually the default behavior on a new install now - it pops up and asks you). And it is supported by Canonical.
They're a click on "install" and a password away. Make sure she knows that when the computer asks for a password, it's asking to do something that could seriously screw things up, and should only be done with expert help.
Besides, you do know that the official nVidia driver is available in Ubuntu through the "Restricted Drivers" window, right? These get updated with the kernel, so this shouldn't even be a problem.