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US Immigration Bill May Bring a National Biometric ID Card
schwit1 sends this quote from the Wall Street Journal:
"Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain. Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal US workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker. ... A person familiar with the legislative planning said the biometric data would likely be either fingerprints or a scan of the veins in the top of the hand. It would be required of all workers, including teenagers, but would be phased in, with current workers needing to obtain the card only when they next changed jobs, the person said. The card requirement also would be phased in among employers, beginning with industries that typically rely on illegal-immigrant labor."
I guess this is where we learn whether Americans hate "big gummint" or mexicans more. Based on our performances during the wars on terror, drugs, crime, pedophiles, etc. I'm guessing that the answer will be "mexicans" hands down.
Sure, there'll be some libertarians and civil libertarians who actually do prefer freedom, and some liberals(and, of course, hispanics) who don't actually hate mexicans; but the "God bless Joe Arpaio" crowd would submit to checkpoints and cavity searches in their own homes if they thought it would bring back "purity" and "real america"(how ironic...).
This at least makes sense considering how much harm illegal immigration does to American blue collar workers. As long as I can go out in public without it and buy goods without it, I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.
I have to wonder, though, how many people who are going "oh noes... mah freedum iz under attack" would get upset if a state government suddenly abolished its concealed carry license laws and declared that any adult who can legally carry a weapon is entitled to concealed carry.
I bet it's A LOT more than most slashdotters would guess.
why do they talk about fascism, "papers please" and destruction of privacy and freedom?
it's just a damn national id card. do you drive? do you have a driver's license? same fucking thing. is the existence of your driver's license some sort of matrix-like conspiracy to utterly destro your individuality? no? then calm the fuck down
it's just a bizarre sort of rigid fear of the unknown, when if you have an actual functioning brain, there's no threat this card poses to anyone, anyhow
what a bunch of spastic hysterical idiots
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
additionally, i recognize:
1. the feds use your drivers license to the same effect they would use a national id. there's no difference. seriously. to believe there is is to be a spastic hysterical idiot
2. a drivers license, or a national id, are simply a necessary component of living in ANY society. it doesn't represent a threat to my freedom or privacy whatsoever. threats to my freedom or privacy come from laws concerning THE USE OF the id. in addition, WITHOUT a driver's license/ id, there is no way for you to access government services without filling out forms every time. it simply convenience and time and cost saving, and less bureaucracy at a national level than 50 different stupid repetitive systems
what is the fucking big deal?!
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
in a rational logical way
not a hysterical fear addled paranoid schizophrenic fanboy way
explain to me exactly how a national id is the unstoppable slippery slope to slavery and fascism
jesus christ you fucking nutbags
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
of government services?
(answer: of course you fucking do, everyone does)
then a national id simply makes that easier faster and cheaper
as for the police, the police are here to protect you from criminals. that you view them as some fascist force hellbent on hurting you and taking away your freedoms speaks volumes about your mental imbalances, not a valid commentary on reality
fucking spastic paranoid nutbags
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
"Without the right papers I will be denied the ability to seek work in a country founded on the very principles of liberty and freedom without government involvement."
why does the existence of the right papers before your ability to apply for work in any way nullifies any of the principles of liberty and freedom we both hold dear?
explain to me in rational terms (not paranoid hysterical hollywood terms) exactly how your liberty or freedoms have been abrogated by the existence of the need to prove who you are in any way whatsoever. i don't want fantasy sequences of imaginary gestapo tracking your every move. i want concrete real world effect on a genuine liberty. do you wish to have the freedom to pretend to be someone other than yourself? this is a constitutional protection!? maybe its to avoid paying taxes? you SHOULD pay taxes, to support the very country that values the liberty and freedom you hold so dear
what the HELL is wrong with you spastic hysterical paranoid nutjobs?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
and in the reality of other nations, freedoms and liberties have been, and still are, horribly defiled ...and this has exactly fucking what to do with a national id card?!
there are countries in western europe that have greater protections for certain freedoms and liberties than in the united states. AND THEY HAVE A NATIONAL ID CARD
BECAUSE ITS FUCKING EASIER AND CHEAPER AND MORE CONVENIENT
where exactly does this fucking paranoid schizophrenic fantasy of national id card=gestapo raping your rights come from?
what the HELL is wrong with you paranoid retards?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
God - you are a fucking idiot. Quit freebasing the Kool-Aid.
1331461 is only semiprime *sigh* Alas - I am just short of 1337.
The government has more force to throw at you than any dissenting group could hope to match. The government has pretty much a monopoly of force.
And the Redcoats were members of the most powerful army on the planet at the time. What's your point?
People will get hurt. Innocent people will get hurt. Your personal political ideology generally never trumps the lives of others.
It's a safe assumption that people are already being hurt if things ever get to the point that revolution is called for.
I personally dread the day when people take up guns against their elected government. First because the term "elected", by picking up guns your saying that you know better than the voters, which to me, is tyrannical.
You do realize that the voters will has already been subverted in the United States, right? Our elected officials choose their voters, not the other way around. There are also times when the will of the voters DESERVES to be overturned. Or do you think that Jim Crow was justifiable because it happened to command popular support?
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
I hope you appreciate the irony of choosing that as your signature line while condemning the notion of revolution against an oppressive government.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.