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LHC Will Be Shut Down In 2011 Because of "Mistake"
astroengine follows up to a story about the LHC shutting down that seems to have hit all the news replicators today. "It's to be expected when pushing the frontiers of physics, but the LHC's epic 'will it or won't it' saga continues. Due to an unforeseen construction mistake, the LHC will cease experiments for a year (starting around late-2011) so repairs and upgrades can be carried out. For now, accelerated particles will have a maximum energy of 7TeV (half the power of the LHC's design maximum), which is ample for at least 18 months of experiments before shutdown."
... the article linked in the story starts off by debunking the submission.
That Higgs Boson is finding more and more creative ways... Seems this time it went so far back as to flaw the LHC's design.
How long do we have before it goes further back and destroys humanity?
The plan for a while now was always to have a period of running at lower power/luminosity then a long shutdown to completely fix the error that caused the incident in 2008. Last december the plan was for a 5 month run this year and a year long shutdown, and they changed that in early february to a 18-24 month run and year long shutdown.
-Bucky
I, for one, think they are just scared of being blamed for 2012. :-)
...at least according to the article at the end of the supplied link. Quoting a Prof. Brian Cox, "ALL particle accelerators have 6 - 12 month regular shutdowns for maintenance and upgrades. That's how complex machines are operated!"
Now, I know slashdot readers don't read the articles, and I've become accustomed to the editors not reading the articles, but this situation implies that even the submitter of the article didn't read the article.
How is that even possible?
Sounds like one of those recursive quantum anomalies the LHC is designed to unravel...
As the linked article points out, this so-called news is just lazy journalism of a long-ago announced planned shutdown for routine maintenance and upgrading.
This should never have made it to the front page here. Is it too much to ask that the editors at Slashdot at least GLANCE at the linked articles?
Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
the usual saboteurs from the future, trying to preserving their pathetic little doomed timeline
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It's one of the world's most ambitious projects. Not surprisingly, its construction and operation can be problematic from time to time.
"Now we need someone to pipe up that if they used Agile Methodology when building the LHC, none of the design issues would have happened."
If they'd have used the Agile Methodology it'd be working, but the particles would travel at 60 miles per hour, and the collisions would be recorded by a police sketch artist. Improvements would be scheduled for a future sprint.
Given the way Agile is usually implemented, it would have then made a detour under London before making it back to Switzerland. Kind of like the famous cartoon... especially the documentation part. Nice legs...
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It will be late 2012 before the LHC gets to full power? Hmmmmmmmm.... Awfully forboding to me.
Then it will never stop.
As a physicist, all I can say is we've been asking for this kind of press.
When you hype the bejeezus out of the shiny new multi-billion dollar tool, it's reasonable for the people who paid for it to expect results. It is jarring when people hear for over a decade about the great results that will come out of an experiment, and then later hear that we have to spend ~50% of the time doing maintenance on the equipment, and the first few years just testing it. I know this is the way things work, this is the way my (much, much smaller) experiments work. This is not a complaint about the science, or being careful. This is a complaint about politics, funding structures and a lack of ability across fields to communicate effectively with the general public. We can't keep doing this to ourselves if we want the public to trust us. We have to manage the media better.
To begin with, the great achievement of the LHC *is* the LHC, not the search for the Higgs boson. It's enough that this is the most complicated, impressive, advanced piece of technology on the planet, and that it required input at the cutting edge from nearly every major field of physics. Just like the point of going to the moon was to go to the moon, not to bring back moon rocks.
Now there's a crew who know how to make an unstoppable accelerator!
JADBP
I see right through this. They don't want LHC running when the Mayan calendar ends...
for those people (probablly americans) stop critising the LHC becuase its bigger than the accelerator at fermilab. thats like kids arguing over who has a better skateboard.
Yes, it's exactly like that.
You seem to not understand that our TVs, sound systems, sports cars and particle accelerators are simply the adult extensions of our skateboards.
KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF.
Why? It's called freedom of speech - perhaps you've heard of it.
You certainly seem to think that you have it, by virtue of the protocols you've issued.
News flash - since the beginning of time people have freely expressed opinion without regard for fact - and this is never more true than when the speaker is convinced that they are expressing facts. Now, I wasn't around at the beginning of time, so far as I recall, but it's my opinion that that behavior has been occurring for at least that long and is therefore neither limited to Americans nor to Fermilab fans.
My other opinion is that you're probably upset that Fermilab isn't in Europe and that you're simply jealous that you're missing out on all the fun.
But you are providing plenty - for me anyway. This snippet is simply priceless:
quite frankly i'm so sick of people critisising the LHC, especially the people at fermilab. firstly most people don;t know a damn thing about particle physics...
Uh - ok - would those be the people at Fermilab that don't know a damn thing?
BTW - my skateboard has something like 300 BHP, a gazillion ft-lbs of torque, and gets 21 miles per gallon when cruising at just over 100 miles per hour, when cruising that way for about 2 to 2.5 hours at a stretch. And as soon as I translate a gazillion ft-lbs into SI, I'll get back to you on what that means - or - I'll just wait for an opinion from Illinois on that.
Meanwhile, in my opinion, this sounds pretty cool:
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive_2010/today10-03-10Column_readmore.html
And almost finally, in my opinion, I deserve extra crunchy mod points just for avoiding the whole bigger vs. keeping it up line of jokes in response to your post (which given that there is NO NEWS in TFA, makes your complaint even funnier).
NOT IMPORTANT
That's the worst sig ever. In my opinion, you should have a higher opinion of yourself, even if that current sig summarizes the opinions in your post perfectly.
I think you should cheer up now and have a fabulous day, but that's just another one of my opinions.
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
The LHC hits.
The LHC hits.
The LHC hits.
Universe, your life force is running out.
The LHC hits.
The LHC hits.
You die...
Do you want your posessions identified?
Goodbye Universe the universe...
You died in the Multiverse of Doom after 13700000000000 moves, killed by a grid bug named LHC.
You were level 300000000000000000000000000 with a maximum of infinity hit points when you died.