UK Gov't Wants Facebook To Feature Child Safety Button

judgecorp writes "Harriet Harman, the deputy leader of the Labour Party, has said that UK government ministers are 'taking action' to get Facebook to add a British child protection button (called CEOP) to its site. The move comes after the UK's Daily Mail withdrew allegations that teenagers on Facebook are continually pestered — though Facebook is still considering suing the paper. The campaign apparently ignores Facebook's assertion that it already has better child protection in place and the CEOP button would be limited to the UK."

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Harridan Harperson can suck my cock.

[Anonymous Coward]

Harridan Harperson can suck my cock.

Re:Harridan Harperson can suck my cock.

[pandrijeczko]

Just to correct you, it was Jacqui Smith who was involved in the porn on expenses scandal.

However, the pair of them are evil, menopausal bitches from hell - and Harriet Harlot was also the one who toured her own constituency in an armoured vest.

Personally, I'm not letting the pair of them anywhere near my cock.

Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[Chrisq]

Since its Harriet Harman involved I expect that the pressing of the button will result in the immediate rounding up of all males over 12 involved in the conversation for incarceration without trial. And it obviously won't matter what was said, because it will be the "emotion affect" on the kid pressing the button that counts, not the actual words.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[maroberts]

I think the button should be connected to a device to administer a large voltage to Harriet Harperson whenever pressed. The take up would be enormous.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[Manip]

Agreed.
It is shocking how sexist she is and how much she gets away with "because she was a women." Heck she was even short listed for her position BECAUSE she was a women.

Ultimately we differ in opinion because she believes the means justify the ends (e.g. positively biased for women will counterbalance history and everyone will be equal), where I believe we promote *equality* and the problem will fix its self in time.

She for example introduced a bill that mandated they employ women over men if both are equally qualified. They also placed no limits on how far this should go or when it should end. This bill directly impacts jobs that are already dominated by women so they cannot employ men.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[makomk]

It is shocking how sexist she is and how much she gets away with "because she was a women."

Remember that sexism, by definition, can only be against women and that it's impossible for women to be sexist against men. Once you understand the standard feminist definition of sexism, things should make a lot more sense, whether you agree with it or not.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[Anonymous Coward]

Similar to how anti-semitism is defined as being against the policies of the current Israeli government (by them anyway)?

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[FreeUser]

Remember that sexism, by definition, can only be against women and that it's impossible for women to be sexist against men. Once you understand the standard feminist definition of sexism, things should make a lot more sense, whether you agree with it or not.

OK, some dipship female supremecist who calls herself a feminist makes a boneheaded definition for sexism on her blog, and you paint all feminists with that brush?

Femenism simply means the belief that all people are equal irrespective of gender. Some femenists are angrier or more shrill than others, but the fundamental definition of femenism remains, to wit

feminism /fmnzm/ Show Spelled[fem-uh-niz-uhm] - noun
1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.
3. feminine character.

The problem is that a whole lot of angry men (and eager-to-please women) jumped on a reactionary "not in these-here parts" bandwagen and have deliberately misused the term to mean something it isn't. It makes me wonder if the blogger you linked to isn't really a right-wing troll / agent provocatuer. Certainly her definition of sexism isn't consistent wtih the definition of feminism. Clearly men and women are equal, and equally clearly, sexism goes both ways. It is simply an unfortunate symptom of history, not to mention a whole lot of mysognist cultures (e.g. much of the middle-east, though by no means limited only to that region) and institutions (e.g. the Catholic Church, the Mormon Church, Penthouse Magazine, and the list goes on), that the most common experience by far is male sexism against women.

Harriot Harmon is a prime example of the opposite, and her methods should clearly not be supported, but that's no excuse to go labelling feminists as female supremecists, or pointing to some random blog by someone who doesn't even know the meaning of the word as an "authority" on how feminists would define "sexism" or any other term.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[malkavian]

I doubts it's a "right wing troll". Over here in 'sunny' Bristol, UK, there was a great little scandal a while ago, where a black city councilor accused an Asian councilor of being a "coconut" (brown on the outside, white on the inside) as the Asian councilor supported a bill that wasn't stacked towards Asians (though in a pragmatic sense, was geared towards the general wellbeing long term of the city for all people).
The big defense of this black councilor was that "she couldn't be racist, because she was black". That was an actual, on the record quote.
After having had many witch hunts for racism in the council, this rather more blatant (and on the public record; the "coconut" comment was made in session and thus recorded) event was rapidly swept under the carpet, and the decision of the disciplinary board was that "no action should be taken".

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[Stormwatch]

Needs a "select all" button.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[jombeewoof]

Here in the states we use the simple dots or feathers qualifier to determine which kind of indian it is.

Re:Well - Since its Harriet Harman involved

[Hognoxious]

Then I got it: in UK, when you say "Asian", you mean Indian or Pakistani.

Well we can't call them all Indians because, as you point out, some of them aren't - there's Bangladeshis too. Last time I looked India is part of Asia. The only other people from Asia who were at all common in the UK at the time they started arriving were the Chinese, who already had a name[1]; what's more we already had the term Orientals to mean Vietnamese, Japanese and suchlike.

Looked at like that, it makes complete sense.

[1] Chinese, oddly.

Muhehehe

[K. S. Kyosuke]

We already have bad experience with child protection buttons, and I seriously doubt that this one will do more good than harm. What's happened to good old parenting?

And This Would Be The Same Harriet Harman....

[pandrijeczko]

...that got done by the police for driving without due care and attention?

So presumably Facebook is a danger to kids whilst her talking on a mobile phone while driving is safe for kids who could be out in the street at the time?

Re:And This Would Be The Same Harriet Harman....

[Gordonjcp]

Did she come to conscious decision that she would drive without due care and attention?

Yes, she did. She deliberately chose to talk on her phone while attempting to drive, meaning that she was not fully in control of her car.

Or are you suggesting she somehow accidentally answered the phone, or accidentally drove the car?

Typical Labour policy

[abigsmurf]

Allowing Children on the internet to quickly and easily label anyone they like a child abuser. What could possibly go wrong?

It gets better though, if you are ever accused of child abuse, it goes on record and will be returned whenever an employer does a background check. Doesn't matter if the allegations are complete rubbish and everyone acknowledges this. It'll still haunt you for life.

To top it all off, there's a condition that the government can put on your record making the information on your background check confidential to anyone. Including yourself. You can fail a background check and never you have failed one. The employer can't tell you you've failed, so if there's a mistake on your background check, it is impossible to get it remedied and your life is basically ruined.

Re:Typical Labour policy

[VJ42]

To top it all off, there's a condition that the government can put on your record making the information on your background check confidential to anyone. Including yourself. You can fail a background check and never you have failed one. The employer can't tell you you've failed, so if there's a mistake on your background check, it is impossible to get it remedied and your life is basically ruined.

In the UK the only "background checks" that are done by employers are those done for people who work with children & vulnerable adults; they are called CRB checks. Both times I've had one done, I got a copy. Other employers don't get to do 'background checks' and even if they were allowed, you could use the data protection act to find out any information they hold on you. In short, your post doesn't apply to the UK.

Re:Typical Labour policy

[VShael]

I can't wait until my nephew in the UK is old enough to accuse various MP's of molestation, even if he's never met them.

"You want a PS4 for Christmas kiddo? Here's a list of names. Ruin their lives for me. Thanks."

Not surprising

[Manip]

Frankly this isn't a shock given our current government's tracks record.
  - Licence to take kids to football practice
  - Licence to own a dog (and third party liability insurance)
  - CCTV Cameras on every street corner
  - An "equality opportunity" amendment which promotes racist and sexist hiring (what the hell?)
  - Virtual strip search at every airport
  - ID Cards
  - et al

Being extremely liberal is great. But some days I wish the UK had a little more of the things American conservatives love (e.g. Personal Freedom, less interference).

Re:Not surprising

[K. S. Kyosuke]

Being extremely liberal is great

Somebody has kidnapped the word "liberal" here. I thought the word had something to do with freedom, which seems to be absent in the list above.

Re:Not surprising

[AlecC]

Indeed. The word "liberal" has very different meanings on the opposite sides of the Atlantic. The traditional UK sense of Liberal was closer to (but not equal to) the US Libertarian. True UK liberals would legalise drugs and, probably, guns.

Dear Parents...

[pandrijeczko]

The following list of things should not be considered as trustworthy babysitters and are no substitute for proper parenting skills:

An Internet connected PC
A box of fireworks
A games console
A set of throwing knives

Now kindly stop with trying to fulfill your lives by shitting out more kids that you're not prepared to be responsible for and expecting the rest of us to make concessions for them.

Facebook here

[Anonymous Coward]

We respect your concerns about child safety, so we've installed a Child Safety Button for our younger users. It's a big "X" located in the upper-right corner of Facebook. Macs don't use X technology, so we built a red button for their Facebook instead. We're pretty sure those are the only two Facebooks anyone uses.

I can see a great flaw in your plan

[Chrisq]

I can see a great flaw in your plan

If you're a British politician, you automatically go on "Arsebook".

Most British politicians could not distinguish this from Elbowbook.

Incorrect Summary

[Tim C]

The button is not called CEOP. CEOP is the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre. The button is apparently called "CLICKCEOP", but is mostly referred to as the "paedophile panic" button in the press or simply the "button" on the CEOP site.

Harriot Harmon. Never get her drunk.

[Anonymous Coward]

It is Harriot Harman who argues that being drunk is no defence for men accused of rape (fair enough)... but strangely, she also argues that woman cannot be held to have 'consented' if they are drunk.

She was also responsible for the repeal of the defence in murder cases of 'provocation', which was a defence used primarily by men (again, fair enough). Strange then that at the same time, Harriot brought in a new defence which allowed abused women to claim long term abuse by the husband, as a defence if they then murdered their partner - rather than, say, leave them.

She goes on to argue that the low conviction rate of alleged rapists is proof, in itself, that too many men are getting away with rape (might be true), but fails to acknowledge the alternative explanation, that too many false allegations of rape are being submitted by women.

Harriot is one awful tub of man hating menopausal angst.

Speaking as a UK resident.

[GuyFawkes]

You basically only have to walk down the street with your ears open.

Back when I were a lad, it was routine to insult kids who were not of your group, fatty, lanky, ginger, smelly, stinky, etc.

Today the default insult is "paedo"

I've lost count of the number of times I have seen teenagers and younger, of both sexes, respond to an adult who tells them off for something, eg "stop fucking around with my car" with chants of "paedo!"

Teachers in UK schools essentially live in fear of one of the kids responding to being told off for setting fire to little johnny in 2A with an accusation of violence or sexual assault being made against the teacher.

You won't find a small kid who does not already;

a/ own a mobile phone
b/ know the childline and other abuse numbers by heart

We are sowing what we reaped.

I say in all sincerity, there are a LOT of adults today who have learned this lesson so well that they could witness either an adult women or a schoolgirl being gang raped, and simply walk on by, deliberately seeing nothing, as being the only safe option.

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/