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School Putting Autistic Children in Fenced Enclosure

In an attempt to deal with autistic children who "have no sense of boundaries and do not respond to staff asking them to stop," a Sydney primary school has created pens which hold the disabled children during play time. As you might expect, parents have expressed outrage that their kids are forced to stand inside a fenced enclosure that has one tree, a bench and a dirt floor. The Department of Education said in a statement: "The school is located on a busy road. Without this area, the students may leave the school grounds and could potentially be injured. Some of these children have no sense of boundaries and do not respond to staff asking them to stop. Once the school is satisfied a student will listen to directions from staff members and is also aware of playground boundaries, the child can use the playground."

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  1. No Mention of the Size by Conchobair · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article doesn't say how big the area is. Growing up as a kid, I went to several different schools and they all had fenced playgrounds. This doesn't really seem alarming unless the fenced areas are exremely small. I would like to find out the size of this "enclosure".

    1. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have NEVER seen a schoolyard that DIDN'T have a fenced playground. Besides... they put up a fence, the parents put up a fight. No fence, a kid gets injured or killed, the parents will sue the school. The schools are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

    2. Re:No Mention of the Size by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, except you don't know the neighborhood I lived in (same neighborhood the school was in), so don't make such assumptions. I lived there long enough to know that there were drug dealers around CONSTANTLY.

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  2. Coloured writing by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is yellow journalism and blue-faced agitation at its worst. These are special needs kids who are prone to wandering, at a school near a busy road. The fence was installed at the request of their parents. The article clearly states this (as does the summary); the coalition is complaining about it merely because it's an opportunity to cause a pernicious backlash against the school board. Frankly, they should be ashamed of themselves - it's like arguing that installing ramps at a school it singles out people in wheelchairs.

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    1. Re:Coloured writing by pvera · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup.

      I am the father of an 11-year old autistic boy with an escape artist complex. He has already tried to run away from his teachers many times, and in one occasion he actually made it out of the school grounds. My only relief at the time is that when he took off running almost everyone was outside, so everyone, even the principal, took off after him.

      It still took a good 15 minutes to catch him, and they had already called the police.

      A fence is not going to stop this from happening, but it provides a decent speed bump for wandering children that don't understand the concept of danger.

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  3. Someone please think of the tail-eating snakes! by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Parents complain about child's safety. Check.
    School responds by putting up fence. Check.
    Parents complain about putting children in fenced areas. Check.

    And thus another ouroborous was born.

  4. And i assume... by Securityemo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keeping them indoors wouldn't be an option? Wire fencing them is a pragmatic solution, but besides sending a really, really wrong message to the other children (and the autistic kids themselves, if they are able to reflect upon their social standing towards other people, which might not be the case) it seems very boring.

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  5. An observation from an adult with an ASD. by ka8zrt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After having read the original article and the comments made on it, I would like to share some comments about this, coming from a perspective which probably differs from what may be 74/75ths to perhaps 149/150ths of the rest of you who are Neurotypicals (NTs). You see, I have been diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD... God... how I hate that last word), such as those who who are being put into the enclosure. However, in my case, my childhood occurred before ASDs were widely known by teachers and doctors, and for the most part, a bright but reclusive and awkward child. It was not until I was in my 40s that I was diagnosed, at which point, I could look back at my life and see where various events, behaviours and tendencies may very likely have been the result of my being on the spectrum.

    1) Nowhere was the size of this area indicated, nor sufficient details about the surroundings. If it is of a significant size, OK. But even then, it has been pointed out by folks in the area that it lacked adequate shade and was in other ways lacking when compared with another playground at the school, which was apparently featured on a pamphlet of some sort.

    2) When possible, kids with ASDs, whether they are low functioning and in need of 24/7 care, or so high functioning that they generally appear normal, should be treated as much the same as NTs, doing the same activities on the same playgrounds and as much as possible in the same classes. Yes, we **may** need a bit less distraction in the classroom (no covering the walls with unnecessary maps, posters, etc.), **may** have issues with bright lights, the buzzing from the lights, etc., and **may** get upset at changes such as a substitute. We **may** also be subject to being bullied. But at the same time, we **may** act up because we may be bored with what the NTs have taken days to understand while we got it in no time flat. (And grades are not a good indicator here...) The list goes on... But all this is necessary, because by doing so, we learn to socialize as best we can, and people have a chance to learn that AS vs. NT is no different than where we were born, the color of our hair, our race or anything else.

    3) If you are going to fence off an area, take advantage of the fact and fence off an area for all the kids to use, not just those diagnosed with an ASD. I know of many schools where this was done for younger kids, who NT, Aspie or Autie are prone to go running off under the right conditions (such as chasing off after a ball). Indeed, the entire playground areas at schools I attended were big enough to play baseball in, if not larger.

    4) As for the "dirt floor" comment... ours were a mix of asphalt, grass and dirt covered with sand, pea gravel or wood chips, to cut down on puddles and mud while allowing a chance for the kids to work off excess energy. More recently, there has been a move to use the rubber "asphalt" which is springy and more forgiving than either the hard ground or asphalt... fewer injuries from falls. And no, this is not a fancy rich area, but rather rural Appalachia, where 90% of us fed the livestock both before and after school, and were used to seeing garbage cans in the halls to capture water from leaks in the roof.

    Don't get me wrong... I am not saying all children should be treated in 100% the same way. That is one of the problems with NCLB as implemented in many schools, and perhaps symptomatic of trying to teach 30+ children in a single classroom with one teacher. If a child has a speech impediment, such as saying "ch" vs. "st" but otherwise has a large vocabulary and reads and does math several grade levels higher than their peers, you should have a speech pathologist work with the impediment and give them instruction at their advanced levels when ever possible. If, however, they have problems reading or doing math, but are otherwise doing fine, give them the extra instruction they need in those areas, and otherwise they are just like any other child. Perhaps by doing so can we reclaim what once put us on the Moon, and go beyond that to possibly fix many of the ills which we are presently suffering.

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  6. Not uncommon to seclude a dangerous kid... by eepok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Putting a dangerous kid in a pen isn't uncommon.

    I've worked with high-function autistic, Asperger's, and ADHD students. In almost all the schools (all of them small), there's a "quiet room": a locked, padded room in case a student goes into a flailing tantrum. Ya, it happens. Ya, it's really quite dangerous for the other children and staff around the angry child. So, if they feel like that's the last resort, they go into the quiet room and chill out.

  7. Re:Asperger ranting by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Non-autistic kids are more likely to listen to a command to stop. By that criteria, deaf or hard of hearing kids should be put into separate enclosures as well. The parents aren't objecting to the school keeping their kids safe, they are objecting to them singling out their kids for "special treatment", leading to the other kids ridiculing and ostracizing them, as kids tend to do with anyone presented to them as being "different". The administrators that thought up this scheme should have their own children forced to ride the short bus to school and kept in pens during recess, to see how they feel about their own children being treated that way.

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