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Scientology Tries To Block German Documentary

Posted by timothy on from the piece-of-blue-sky dept.

eldavojohn writes "The Guardian is reporting on the strained relationship that Scientology is having with the German government and the airing of a pesky documentary on Southwest Broadcasting. Until Nothing Remains, a $2.3 million documentary, is slotted to air on German television at the end of this month. It recounts the true story of Heiner von Rönn and his family's suffering when he tried to leave the Church of Scientology. A Scientology spokesperson called the film false and intolerant and also said they are investigating legal means to stop the film from being aired. More details on the film can be gleaned here."

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  1. Re:Rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Regardless, Scientology is prohibited in Germany; So I doubt they will have much of a case for the german courts.

  2. A point to note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Germany doesn't know yet what Scientology is, a business, a religion or a cult. This may make up the courts' mind.

    From Wikipedia/Church of Scientology:

    In Germany, official views of Scientology are particularly skeptical. In Germany it is seen as a totalitarian anti-democratic organization and is under observation by national security organizations due, among other reasons, to suspicion of violating the human rights of its members granted by the German Constitution, including Hubbard's pessimistic views on democracy vis-à-vis psychiatry and other such features. In December 2007, Germany's interior ministers said that they considered the goals of Church of Scientology to be in conflict with the principles of the nation's constitution and would seek to ban the organization. The plans were quickly criticised as ill-advised. The plans to ban Scientology were finally dropped in November 2008, after preliminary investigations failed to unearth evidence of illegal or unconstitutional activity.

    The legal status of the Church of Scientology in Germany is still awaiting resolution; some courts have ruled that it is a business, others have affirmed its religious nature. The German government has affirmed that it does not consider the Church of Scientology to be a religious community.

    If any fellow Anonymous in Germany feel like telling the German government why they should not consider Scientology a religion, then please be my guest. Be clear, make yourself heard. "Ich bin Anonymous!"

    1. Re:A point to note by VShael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hitler was a Catholic Christian until at least 1941, though I can understand why you'd rather not claim him as one of yours.

      Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot may have been atheists but that wasn't the reason they killed people. They were power mad dictators.

    2. Re:A point to note by gerrygerbil · · Score: 5, Informative

      To describe Catholicism as a "totalitarian anti-democratic organisation" and thereby making a direct comparison to Scientology is simply doing your own intelligence and critical thinking skills a disservice.

      Crap. I was brought up in the theocracy that was the Republic of Ireland, and "totalitarian" and "anti-democratic" are accurate adjectives. It's totalitarian because the Church sought to regulat every part of your life, including your thoughts ('thought crime' is a very familiar term to survivors of Catholicism like myself). It's anti-democratic because religion is, by its very nature, anti-democratic - scripture's scripture, and you have to follow it. The Catholic Church is run by an old man in an Italian city-state with a hierarchy of other old men who give orders and are completely unaccountable to their victims (sorry, 'parishioners'). Catholicism is far, far worse than Scientology, at least in Ireland were it's State-backed and obligatory, and its ordinances reach even unto non-believers (hence all the women who travel to the UK for abortions because the misogynist pricks that run the Church have banned it). At least you've a choice whether or not to be a Scientologist, and if you so choose then more bloody fool you.

      If you're a Catholic, no-one's going to try and make your life a living hell if you want to stop coming to church.

      That's complete bollox, that is. If you were a Catholic in Eire and you didn't come to Mass, the local priest would be calling at your door wanting to know why you weren't there, and he could and would give you serious grief if you didn't turn up next Sunday. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Pleasingly, the Church in Ireland is having done to it what it's done to all those kids over the decades: being fucked up the arse. The days when you'd have to bow and scrape to your local priest because he had an almost literal power of life and death over you are now over - now he's just a weirdo in a black dress who can't have sex like normal folk (and as a result is seriously fucked-up in the head).

  3. Re:Rights? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let's take a look at the Grundgesetz...

    Grundgesetz, Artikel 5:

    (1) Everybody has the right to express and distribute his opinion in word, writing or picture, and also to inform himself from any public source. The freedom of press and the freedom of reporting through broadcasting and movies is assured. No censorship takes place.

    (2) These rights are limited only by the general laws for protection of the youth and protection of the personal honor.

    (3) Art and science, research and teaching are free. The freedom of teaching does not release from the faith to the constitution.

    (IANAL, but it beats Babelfish)

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  4. Germany has the right idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/stat.html

    Go Germany. Atleast someone gets the right idea here

  5. Re:Rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Scientology is not prohibited in Germany. However, it failed to gain the status of a church and is considered a cult. Also it is being watched closely because it is considered "hostile to the constitution", IIRC.

  6. Re:Rights? by dziman · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the official translation: https://www.btg-bestellservice.de/pdf/80201000.pdf

    Article 5 [Freedom of expression, arts and sciences] (1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures, and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship. (2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of general laws, in provisions for the protection of young persons, and in the right to personal honour. (3) Arts and sciences, research and teaching shall be free. The freedom of teaching shall not release any person from allegiance to the constitution.

  7. Re:Rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For God's sake, no, Scientology is NOT prohibited in Germany. They are not acknowledged as as a religious group, so they do not enjoy financial benefits. They are however closely watched for violations of the constitution.

  8. Re:Rights? by Sique · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... which are covered by Art 5(2): "These rights shall find their limits in [...] the right to personal honour."

    And they are covered in Art 1(1): "The dignity of Man is untouchable. To respect it and to protect it is the obligation of all governmental power."

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    .sig: Sique *sigh*
  9. "Denied church status" != "Prohibited" by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Scientology is allowed to operate and exist in Germany, but it is considered a for-profit organisation. That means it doesn't even enjoy charity status, much less the much-coveted tax exemption.

    So yes, they could attempt to get a temporary restraining order, but I doubt that this will go well for them. It's too close to the broadcast date, and the editors and producers have most likely done their homework.

  10. 'Intolerance' by dugeen · · Score: 3, Informative

    The scientologists know whereof they speak when it comes to intolerance. Just ask Paulette Cooper.

  11. Re:Two words by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh, dear. Try watching "Fox News" for an education in orifices.

  12. Re:Rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Scientology is not banned. They have just been denied the legal status of a church, and they're closely watched for their antidemocratic behavior.

  13. Re:Thank you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a completely different movie from 20 years ago that scientology got banned in the US.

  14. Re:Religious nuts destroyed live-and-let-live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please don't speak in behalf of Buddhists because it shows you don't understand the religion.

    I assure you that Buddhism is different from anything you know and anger is one of the unwholesome feelings that Buddhists try to unroot from themselves.

    The Buddha teached to accept the world and the people as they are and to try to make a change but without involving feelings of lust, anger, jelousy, etc.

    So, "live and let live" but if you see unjustisce make your best effort to fight it.