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XML Co-Founder Joins Google, Blasts iPhone

XML co-founder Tim Bray has taken the job of 'Developer Advocate' at Google. Don't other companies call that position 'Evangelist?' Because he sure doesn't mince words against the iPhone in his first sermon: 'It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure and fear his anger.

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  1. Surprising? by jaxtherat · · Score: 1, Troll

    Of course he's going to blast the iPhone. Google needs to de-trone the iPhone as the market leader in advanced phones otherwise they run the risk of becoming irrelevant in the future in the same way that Microsoft did in the cloud (for lack of a better term).

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  2. Show me the money... by sbeckstead · · Score: 0, Troll

    But how do you make money from the Android side.

    1. Re:Show me the money... by mjwx · · Score: 1, Troll

      But how do you make money from the Android side.

      Umm...

      By making a product people want to buy. If you've failed to grasp this simple concept your not going to have much luck in any market. Android users do not tolerate simple applications for $1, nor do these applications make any money even in Apples walled garden. If you want to make money you have to provide enough functionality for a program to be at least $10.

      The vast majority of Iphone developers aren't making enough money to pay the US$99 a year fee let alone recoup the cost of their time.

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  3. Dont worry, Cancer will stopThe Landlord. by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 0, Troll

    OOOOOOOOH NO HE DIDNT!!! YES HE DID...

    seriously...

    cancer sucks.

    no seriously...

    it does...

    I wish Mr Jobs good health.

    and I like my iPhone.

    But i'll gladly pay attention to anyone else offering something better... and I'm locked into iTunes so... It better be damn good.

  4. New iPhone app idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's called iPoopyDick. Fags enter their vital stats and preferences into a profile, and whenever two or more iPhones running this app are within 20 or so feet and the profiles match, their iPhone plays "It's Raining Men."

  5. Some people enjoy a nice garden. by VeryVito · · Score: 0, Troll

    As a developer, I hardly "fear (the landlord's) anger." In fact, I find it rather liberating to develop the apps I want without worrying about what hardware and/or drivers the user has installed, and without worrying about how to market and collect payment for the same apps. Yes indeed, the iPhone is a miserable development experience -- which must be why it has so many developers playing in its garden. Is it perfect? Nope. Is it a streamlined development and distribution system? Absolutely.

  6. Re:wrong. by PBoyUK · · Score: 1, Troll

    You're clearly lying. You must fear something. My bet would be your Shift key.

    Oh but then, hmm. You did capitalise 'AND', so you are capable of it. Perhaps the fear is of a more general kind - fear of looking intelligent maybe? I'd say it was a stretch, but then, you are an apple fanboy who programs for the iPhone and doesn't seem at all concerned with the fact that Apple can at any time with no real explanation remove your products from their store. So yeah, that's not too intelligent either. Corraborates my theory.

  7. Re:To be fair by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Troll

    but by the time the court ruled, Linux
    already had some pretty useable desktops,

    Ignoring for a moment your hubris in attempting to reverse a legal decision by nothing more than fiat...

    You're nuts. I'm a huge fan, but Linux *still* doesn't have a usable desktop. The poster-child of "usable" Linux (Ubuntu) is a charlie-foxtrot of poor packaging policies (grub2, e.g.), horrible out of the box misconfiguration issues (pulseaudio, e.g.), and other problems that you *have* to know the deep wizardry of the system to get around to reach a "usable" system.

    I spend about 50% of my off-duty computer time booted into linux (the other 50% is windows for Guild Wars), but it's definitely an uphill battle.

  8. Re:Err, no. by MrHanky · · Score: 1, Troll

    Anecdotal "evidence" doesn't suddenly make Apple advertise their stuff to grandmothers. It's designed for young, fashionable gadget freaks who hang out on Twitter all day long and want something more portable to help the tweet from the sofa. If your aunt or mother wants easy sharing of photos, she obviously would prefer something with easy access to an USB port or a built-in sd card reader, i.e. not an iPad. Someone (most likely you) has been selling her a device she doesn't need.

    And speaking of "mixed motives": you don't need a walled garden to remove the bullshit from life. At least not a walled garden that's also a prison. So yes, you're intentionally wrong, and an Apple apologist.

  9. Re:To be fair by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is that the best example you have? One from more than 18 years ago?

    Microsoft takes compatibility so seriously right now that when they were developing Vista - I was working for one of their competitors (as far as applications go) and they kept logging bugs with our application compatibility team on versions we hadn't supported in 8 years. Yes I'm not even kidding - they were testing every single one of our products on their Vista platform from 8 years ago to our current versions. Apple doesn't do that! I honestly really can't remember the last time a hotfix they released broke anything I support now (I run a bunch of computer labs at a community college these days, but thats a lot of machines, a lot of applications (well over a hundred - some of which are vertical market apps) and a lot of patches).

    Compare that with Apple who's hotfixes regularly broke our stuff - repeatedly. We used to complain all the time to them that they should test that, and failing that - let us know so we can test it. They would change the way the print back-end worked, or change an api here or there that would screw stuff up and never tell anyone. Blissfully send out patches to uses and expect the vendors to fix everything - which we always did, about a month after all our customers complained bitterly about *US* being lazy.

    This was for their largest 3rd party software developer too...

    I'll give you one thing - Apple behaves today like Microsoft behaved 15+ years ago - with complete contempt for their vendors and customers. Luckily for them - their customers don't know it.

    Apple needs better competition, but they are very good at defending their position in the court system.