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Waledac Botnet Now Completely Offline, Experts Say

Trailrunner7 writes "After Microsoft's actions to take down the Waledac botnet last month, there was some question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections. But more than three weeks after the takedown, researchers say that Waledac has essentially ceased communications and its spam operations have dropped to near zero. One researcher said that Waledac now seems to be abandoned. 'It looks crippled, if not dead,' said Jose Nazario, a senior security researcher at Arbor Networks."

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  1. When the stars are once again right... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is not dead which can eternal lie.

    And with strange aeons even death may die.

    1. Re:When the stars are once again right... by GuJiaXian · · Score: 5, Funny

      If spam was about Cthulhu, I probably wouldn't mind it so much. If spam *is* Cthulhu, well, I'm avoiding the Hormel section at the grocery store from now on.

    2. Re:When the stars are once again right... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      "They were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape...but that shape was not made of matter."

      Might want to stay away from the spam...

    3. Re:When the stars are once again right... by lastchance_000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet R'lyeh, spam eats you!

  2. Still however useless by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    question about whether the operation was much more than a grab for headlines that would have little effect on actual spam levels or malware infections

    I think everyone knew the answer was, no it will not have an effect on spam levels or malware infections. Oh it succeeded in taking the botnet offline, MS did something real here, but taking just one offline doesn't mean much.

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    1. Re:Still however useless by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Useless in what way? Sure, on a global scale spam is still rampant, but they did show the tactic used has promise and worth pursuing.

      True, we can't say for certain whether the tactic actually cut the head from the body or if operations were just moved to a new botnet and the original Waledac CENTCOM let MS think they had their victory but it's something, which is a little bit more than we had prior.

    2. Re:Still however useless by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This was a lot larger than taking down a rogue host. This is 1,500,000,000 fewer spams per day on the net.

      Cut out two billion spams here and there and pretty soon you're talking about real effectiveness.

      Sure, they could probably do more, but every journey begins with a single step. Shut down the easy ones first. Pick the low-hanging fruit. Then go back and take down another, and another. At this point it could be all they could get done in a short amount of time, and in any case it's still a good start.

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    3. Re:Still however useless by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As long as the source of the spam/malware problem isn't held accountable, nothing much will change.

      The ultimate source (not cause!) of this problem is of course users that get spam, and then go on to send money to the folks that spammed them. But next in line are those companies that use spam, spread through malware-infected PC's, to sell their products (or sell worthless/dangerous crap, for that matter). Such shady companies should be put out of business, their CEO's thrown in jail ASAP (through whatever -legal- means), and profits confiscated to support the anti-spam operation.

      Focussing on botnets is a good thing, but IMHO useless. Focussing on the folks running them is better, but the next botnet-operator-wannabee will step right in. Instead, efforts should focus on the businesses paying these fuckers.

    4. Re:Still however useless by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There aren't that many botnets out there. I think most reputable observers peg it at around 6 or 7 big ones, from a spam perspective anyway. So taking one down is actually pretty awesome. Remember when McColo disappeared and spam levels dropped massively overnight? It wasn't that McColo itself pumped out spam, it was that the botnet C&C servers lived there.

      As somebody who actually has to deal with the impacts of large botnets as part of my job at Google, I'd like to congratulate and thank the guys at Microsoft for this victory. Whether it has a noticeable impact on spam or not, it sends a powerful message to people thinking of making their own botnet - it can all end suddenly.

      Building and maintaining a botnet is already pretty hard work .... between AV firms, Microsofts MSRT, users noticing problems and wiping the OS, removals by rival botnets and generally improving PC security botnet building has gone from something every man and his dog was doing to something very few can do well. Hardly any botnets become big. Most abuse I deal with comes in via bots that are apparently being shared or rented out to different (sometimes competing) spammers. That's an encouraging sign.

    5. Re:Still however useless by Moryath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sadly true. Waledac might have been a "mature and no longer really expanding" botnet. Botnets do have a certain shelf-life before they start to die through attrition; either the maker comes up with a new propagation method (virus/etc), or it hits a point and stops really expanding, followed by the slow inevitable decline as machines die, or get reformatted, or get overwritten by a newer botnet. There have been botnets that targeted other botnets for invasion/absorption quite a few times.

      If this can help catch and destroy botnets earlier on, it might be more effective.

      The better goal should, of course, be to make systems (and users) more spam-proof. User education would be a good start, as would home ISP's putting everyone's computers behind a proper NAT rather than using cable modems that expose the user to the naked wild. I've seen more home users who "just put up with" what would seem to be obvious virus/problem behavior merely because they were terrified of having to back up their data or reformat...

    6. Re:Still however useless by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except the malware writers are not mythical creatures, they have real world considerations.

      So improving security practices and doing the work to eliminate existing bots can actually make a difference.

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    7. Re:Still however useless by David+Jao · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The ultimate source (not cause!) of this problem is of course users that get spam, and then go on to send money to the folks that spammed them. But next in line are those companies that use spam, spread through malware-infected PC's, to sell their products (or sell worthless/dangerous crap, for that matter). Such shady companies should be put out of business ...

      The majority of spam today does not conform to this model. A 419 scam leads to Nigeria, where anti-spam laws do not apply. Stock spam promotes a company, but the company being promoted is neither responsible for the spam nor profits from it. Even for the small minority of spam that does directly promote a company product, your proposal accomplishes nothing other than to open up a new way for enemies of a company to anonymously destroy said company: namely, simply send out forged spam to promote the company's products, and wait for the police to put the (innocent) company out of business.

      Spam is a hard problem to solve. Almost anything you can think of will have been tried before, and won't work.

    8. Re:Still however useless by stonewallred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If the US government was serious about ending spam, it could be done easily. Of course the government is not interested, but the capabilities are there. Most bot-net operators are not nameless, faceless shadows. They just live in places that will not prosecute them or cooperate with the US. If Microsoft or Google slapped 1 million dollar bounties on the fuckers if they are delivered to US soil, the bot-nets would shut down so fast your head would spin off.

  3. Re:MS is more clever? by idontgno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What MS should do is to re-register the domain names and point them to a C&C server they host. Then they have a wild botnet in a cage to be researched until they can find the best way to eradicate the thing, and others like it.

    Or else command it to DDOS their foes. MWAHAHAHA!

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  4. Re:MS is more clever? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

    What MS should do is to re-register the domain names and point them to a C&C server they host

    What kind of C&C server? Red alert? Tiberium wars? I prefer a Generals C&C server myself...

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  5. How about taking down... by lbalbalba · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The bloody botnet operator's and malware author's ? Isn't this like fighting the symptoms instead of the cause ?

    1. Re:How about taking down... by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's that easy why haven't you done it?

      Seriously, though, if the controllers are smart, we'll never catch them. Look at the Mariposa botnet. From what I read about that, while law enforcement got the network down, they didn't have any of the people. It took the bold, stubborn move of one of the controllers trying to regain command (from his own system no less) to catch the people behind it. If the operators walked away, what are the odds we'd catch them?

  6. Re:MS is more clever? by sopssa · · Score: 3, Funny

    Duh, C&C 4 came out today, he's obviously talking about that.

  7. Re:MS is more clever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since the only responses you have at the moment are smart-ass, I'll respond seriously.

    While I'm unsure of the specifics of this particular botnet, most of the big current botnets cryptographically sign commands, and ignore any that don't validate. Which means that unless there's a flaw in whatever encryption they used, there's nothing that approach would do other than waste money on domain name registration.

  8. It's not dead... by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... it's pining for the fjords!

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  9. Poor Design by phantomcircuit · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only reason this worked is that the botnet was poorly designed. It relied on at least one of the command and control servers being available. If they all get taken down at the same time you destroy the botnet. This is not how most other botnets work, this is not a tactic that worked against this specific botnet and will not work against other botnets.

    Other botnets generate new domain names fairly regularly. All the botnet controller needs to do is register one of those domains before it is generated. Good luck getting a court order to ban all the generated domains for the next few years.

  10. I am Muyiwa Ige, son of the late chief Bola Ige by zkp · · Score: 2, Funny

    FROM: MUYIWA IGE

    ATTN.: sir,
    I got your contact through email business directory and decided to send my proposal to you. I am MUYIWA IGE the first son of the late chief BOLA IGE,the attorney general of th e fedeal rebulic of Nigeria who was killed by hired assasin on the 23rd of december 2001 by an unidentified gun men believed to be link to our government of which it is a daily case going on in my country;s dailies now.

    Two months ago he was attempted to be murdered but unfortunately God speared his life for us.It was then he had to reveal some vital informations as regards his life to me before he was finally killed in december. All accounts belonging to my father both local and abroad had been frozen and his investments seized by the government believing in thier false allegation that he made away of $2 billion dollars of (NEPA)national electricity power authority of which i know is just a ploy to eliminate him by the people in power that he is fustrating thier evil intentions through the human right pubic hearing for violation of right and cruelsome killings during the military regime to carry out thier traits to suffer the mases for thier selfish interest instead of the interest of the nation.We are now in a dileman as ou live are in danger till after the investigations.

    Two weeks to the christmas holiday in 2001 being on the 4th of december,my dad spoke to me at lenght about life and it realities .He told me he deposited a trunk box containing us$25.5m with a security in EAUROPE(UK) all in the aim of retrieving it himself before he was finally killed before the christmas. According to him the content of the box was registered as government classified papers with his influence and was moved out of my country through diplomatic courrier.He wanted to safeguard the funds for foriegn investment after his retirement before he was killed.

    In the light of this as the next of kin i am now contacting you a foreigner to assist ME in retrieving the boxes and depositing of the fund into your foreign account hence the need to contact you. I and my mother had agreed to give you 30% of the fund for your assistance and 10% for any expenses you might incur in the course of this transaction, we want to believe that you will not sit on the money when paid into your account. I want you to understand that there is no risk involve as we have worked out modalities for the smooth actualization of this goal. The boxes presently is in a security vault of this company in their offshore office in SPAIN.i will require the following for effecting the documents of claim and identification.:

    1] Your driving license to assure us of your person

    2] Your private telephone and fax numbers.

    I will send the following:
    3] The receipt of the ware bill used in sending the boxes
    4] The deposit certificate

    All these will be send through YOUR FAX NUMBER then you will proceed for claim after due schedule with them.you

    I wish to state here that we are left with nothing as we survive by the grace of God. I hope you understand our predicament so as to save me and my family from hopeless future (S.O.S.)

    All contacts for now should be through my personal email address for security reasons.

    Waiting your urgent response.

    Best regards,

    MUYIWA IGE.

    MY PERSONAL EMAIL
    ADDRESS(muyiige@mail.com)ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE

  11. Chilling effect by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Other botnets generate new domain names fairly regularly. All the botnet controller needs to do is register one of those domains before it is generated. Good luck getting a court order to ban all the generated domains for the next few years.

    No problem. Individual court orders should do the trick. After seeing 200+ ISPs going through depeering hell, Hosting providers will be a lot more careful who they let have a server. Of course, this is a less than ideal scenario for IT folk in general (especially because it puts the onus on hosting providers to monitor traffic), but it might be effective.

  12. Re:tell microsoft to *stop* fixing bugs by Lotana · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While the parent is intended as a joke, the idea that quality software will put people out of work is quite widespread among people in IT. Which is quite a sad state of affairs as it is such an obvious case of a broken window fallacy. Rather then spending resources on fixing up damage, it is much more production to direct it on creation of new things or modifying existing to better meet the demand.

    Is the source of this attitude the built in obsolescence idea from manufacturers? Do developers really think that once the perfect software is delivered the requirements will never again change and never need to be modified? Do they not enjoy adding new features and solutions, and would rather spend their time fixing the broken parts of releases? Even the support personnel should realize that there would still be a need for them in order to answer questions of the new users.

  13. Re:Is spam really still a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure my spam folder always has shit in it, but really none of it ever makes it through Googles spam filters into my inbox.

    Spam is still a problem for network operators who have to increase capacity to carry the spam, endpoints that need to buy faster processors to weed out the spam, and users whose filters don't catch all or most spam.

    Then there are the other criminal enterprises and activities that spammers seem to invariably be attached to.