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YouTube's Bandwidth Bill May be Zero

MrShaggy writes "Credit Suisse made headlines this summer when it estimated that YouTube was costing Google a half a billion dollars in 2009 as it streamed 75 billion videos. But a new report from Arbor Networks suggests that even though Google is approaching 10 percent of the net's traffic, it's got so much fiber optic cable it is simply trading traffic, with no payment involved, with the net's largest ISPs. 'I think Google's transit costs are close to zero,' said Craig Labovitz, the chief scientist for Arbor Networks and a longtime internet researcher. Arbor Networks, which sells network monitoring equipment used by about 70 percent of the net's ISPs, likely knows more about the net's ebbs and flows than anyone outside of the National Security Agency."

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  1. It's obvious by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really don't see why Google would be paying much. It seems the guy who wrote that article now discovered how peering works.

    Routing graph for YouTube AS
    Routing graph for Google AS

    YouTube alone has direct peering contracts with AT&T, RETN, TINET and via Google AS with Net Access, NTT Communications, Telia, Level3, SIG, Sprint, Global Crossing, MFN, Cogent, Port80, Internet2 and AOL.

    Depending on the terms, it means Google can also act as a peering or transit point between these companies and or even have an IXP's at their locations, so theres incentive for ISP's to sign up beneficial transit agreement, especially considering Google has data centers around the world. Google has more power than Tier 1 ISP's alone. The article's note about "serving customers YouTube faster" is a moot point - Google's infrastructure and routing contracts alone act as a great incentive for ISP's to make a peering agreement with Google.

    1. Re:It's obvious by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I really don't see why Google would be paying much.

      Unless you count the cost of running the fiber, and the cost of routers and maintenance. And the cost of generators, and power and other operating costs... Basically, "much" is relative. Compared to "buying" the bandwidth from a Tier-1 provider, probably not much. Compared to 0, probably very much...

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  2. Re:Yes, because Google's fiber costs nothing to ru by serialband · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google already ran the fiber for other purposes. So that cost was already planned for, well before they acquired YouTube. So, yes, it cost them nothing extra.

  3. Payments are not the only costs. by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Owning and maintaining all that fiber is costing Google money. Even if they are not paying anything to other providers for handling YouTube traffic it is using bandwidth on their own fiber that they could otherwise sell or use for something else.

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  4. Re:by that logic by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More accurately, this is like saying "I don't own a car, so my petrol costs are zero", and everyone in the comments going "But that doesn't include your bus tickets or the time you spend walking!", and completely missing the point.

  5. Buying rather than leasing costs money. by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Almost all companies lease their offices. They could buy them and save rent. It would possibly be cheaper. They don;t though. They don't want all that capital tied up in property. They can use it for business expansion instead.

    So Google owns a bunch of fibre. This has a capital cost. That's money that could have been invested somewhere else, so it's not free. They could have leased the fibre from a third party. Presumably they worked out that it would be cheaper not to do this. They could probably have saved money by leasing bandwidth from a third party. The third party would then be able to amortise the costs over several customers if there's surplus bandwidth. Having capital tied up like this isn't "free".

  6. Re:It also points out the folly by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It points out the folly when people say "Comcast/AT&T/Verizon/whomever has to pay huge upstream bandwidth costs, bandwidth isn't free y'know!", and it always gets marked as insightful. These guys are so large, bandwidth, other than physical maintenance of their physical plant, isn't a big part of their expenses.

    The problem with this argument is that these guys' physical maintenance bills are significantly higher than most everybody else's. We may quibble whether this counts as an upstream bandwidth cost; it's upstream from the customer, but not from the ISP. But even in the second case, strictly speaking, peering is basically buying some of somebody else's bandwidth and paying not with money, but with some of your own bandwidth. But you still have the costs incurrent in delivering that "payment."