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Quantum State Created In Largest Object Yet

SpuriousLogic writes "A team of researchers have created a 'quantum state' in an object billions of times larger than ever before. From the article: 'Such states, in which an object is effectively in two places at once, have until now only been accomplished with single particles, atoms and molecules. In this experiment, published in the journal Nature, scientists produced a quantum state in an object billions of times larger than previous tests. The team says the result could have significant implications in quantum computing.'"

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  1. so how big is it? by Punto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't need to be told that it's "billions of times than ever before", or to compare it to the library of congress, I can understand measurements. so how big is the object? 1 nanometer? 1 kilometer? what? the article doesn't seem to say either.

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    1. Re:so how big is it? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't need to be told that it's "billions of times than ever before", or to compare it to the library of congress, I can understand measurements. so how big is the object? 1 nanometer? 1 kilometer? what? the article doesn't seem to say either.

      It's the Library of Congress.

      It's now simultaneously at its usual place and two hundred miles under the sea.

      Librarians are wetting themselves at least as much as physicists.

    2. Re:so how big is it? by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Informative

      "With this experiment, we've shown that the dividing line can be pushed up all the way to about a trillion atoms."

      "The "quantum resonator" can be seen with the naked eye."

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    3. Re:so how big is it? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "barely visible with the naked eye"

      Sounds like they must have bought one of those "penis enlargement" pills.

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    4. Re:so how big is it? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's the problem with vague claims in an article. We don't know if the weight is billions of times bigger or if the diameter is. Therefore we don't know if we have 6x10^9 atoms or 6x10^27 atoms. It doesn't even give an order of magnitude -> epic fail of scientific journalism.

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    5. Re:so how big is it? by waxigloo · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the researchers' website the nano-mechanical resonator is a few micrometers in diameter:
      http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/~clelandgroup/research.html

      The previous record was a buckyball.

    6. Re:so how big is it? by Beorytis · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's 30 micrometers long, according to this article on the Nature website.

    7. Re:so how big is it? by MMatessa · · Score: 2, Informative

      This ars technica article says it's about 50 micrometers long.

    8. Re:so how big is it? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If it can be seen with the naked eye, then what does it look like when it's "in two places at once"? Or does the whole thing collapse if you look at it?

    9. Re:so how big is it? by commisaro · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's now simultaneously at its usual place and two hundred miles under the sea.

      Sorry, don't you mean 2 933 football fields under the sea?

    10. Re:so how big is it? by iris-n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You miss the point. It is not human observation or heat perturbation that collapses the system, it's information obtainment.

      The point is, if you can "see" the thing, it will not be in a superposition anymore.

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    11. Re:so how big is it? by iris-n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still no, sorry. You have a very romanticized view of quantum mechanics. You don't need photons to "see", that's why I used quotation marks.

      In the Stern-Gerlach experiment, a foundational one, there's only a magnetic field and a silver plate. In the double-slit experiment, only two slits (duh) and photographic paper.

      The photons do not go through all possible paths, and the thing is not in two places at once. The point is that there's no information about it's location (or the photon path). Even assuming that there exists such information would lead to contradictions.

      If you want a simple sentence: it's information that does it.

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    12. Re:so how big is it? by mestar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation#Feynman.27s_interpretation

      "In order to find the overall probability amplitude for a given process, then, one adds up, or integrates, the amplitude of postulate 3 over the space of all possible histories of the system in between the initial and final states, including histories that are absurd by classical standards."

      So, for a photon that goes trough one or the other slit, you integrate over both, and you end up with the interference pattern in your calculation. Also, the same photon goes to the end of the universe, splits into a pair of two cars (one car, one anti-car) that merge back to a photon, then it goes back to your detector behind slits. However, this contributes very little to the end result. However you add all those probabilities.

      But from photon's perspective, the universe is contracted to the length of zero in the direction it travels, so, it gets there in zero time, as if its starting point and end point are one and the same.

      Can somebody smart connect those two views?

    13. Re:so how big is it? by iris-n · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do integrate through both slits, but that does not mean that every photon has actually gone through them. It's a mathematical technique.

      What one proves experimentally is that if the which-path information exists (somewhere), there's no interference pattern. To infer from this that it went through both slits is, at best, non-sequitur, and at worse, philosophy.

      Also

      But from photon's perspective...

      there's no photon's perspective. It makes no sense to try to Lorentz-transform you into a referential that's moving at the speed of light. I understand that you're trying to take a limit somewhere, but you can't, it's not well-defined (mathematically), and leads one to nonsensical conclusions.

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  2. Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think the subject line says it all, but I want a transporter that puts me in two places at once, then destroys the first me leaving the copied me. That would be awesome.

    1. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by Canazza · · Score: 5, Funny

      What about one that doesn't destroy the original you?

      ooh ooh! I just came up with an awesome idea to make money!
      Tell people you have a quantum teleporter that will make a copy of them on another planet, but in reality, it doesn't do anything, but they can't prove it because they can't get to the other planet.

      we could make a religion out of it or something. Make loads of money. *ca ching!*

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    2. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by Canazza · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who modded that funny? I was being serious!
      *Lrons*

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    3. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please stop giving Tom Cruise ideas.

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    4. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by MiniMike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then destroy the 'original' and 'send' their assets to the other planet (or your offshore account). Maybe that's Step 2? People who would actually believe Step 1 would probably believe it all the way...

    5. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by SnarfQuest · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meanwhile, a new methane planet has just been discovered, but it is covered with dead bodies.

      Meanwhile, at the Canazza Teleportation company headquarters, the president was heard saying "But I didn't think it actually did anything" as he was led out of his office in handcuffs.

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    6. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder which makes more money, L. Ron, or the pharmaceutical companies. My money is with the pharmaceutical companies.

      That's a sure bet, because L. Ron is dead. Dead people don't make money.

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    7. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tell that to the copyright lobbyists.

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    8. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by earlymon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the subject line says it all, but I want a transporter that puts me in two places at once, then destroys the first me leaving the copied me.

      Spoiler alert, stop now if you haven't seen it:

      The name of the movie is The Prestige - it was on the Sci-Fi or some such channel recently. Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH6CoVlD5xc

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    9. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How am I supposed to know if I haven't seen it if the name of the movie is in the spoiled text itself? What next, "Spoiler alert: stop now if you don't know that Darth Vader is Luke's father" or "Spoiler alert: stop now if you don't know about the stuff that happens after Aeris dies"?

    10. Re:Screw Quantum computing, I want a TRANSPORTER! by earlymon · · Score: 2

      ps - sorry, hit submit instead of preview:

      I thought the spoiler was the youtube trailer.

      Even knowing the "trick" I've warned you of with teleporting - I've not spoiled the prestige, nor The Prestige.

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  3. Of course when they went to look at the results... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... they disappeared.

    Once we get into quantum computing, we're going to have to drop the whole binary "yes"-"no" thing for "yes", "no", "maybe", "uninitialized", "42"

  4. Could have? by zmollusc · · Score: 2, Funny

    They think it 'could have' significant implications?
    Surely they mean it definitely has significant implications and also hasn't?

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  5. wow by shadowrat · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's almost large enough to be a CAT!

  6. Oh no, poor kitty! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh noes! I iz in suprpuzishun!

  7. Way to go! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Funny

    "In this experiment, published in the journal Nature, scientists produced a quantum state in an object billions of times larger than previous tests."

    Hmmm, if I count correctly, a cat is still many orders of magnitude heavier. I can only hope that they will make further progress in the decades to come.

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  8. Let me know when it scales up... by bobdotorg · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... to the size of a cat.

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    1. Re:Let me know when it scales up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not certain they'll be able to do that.

  9. A Bose-Einstein Condensate? by Snowtred · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From what the article looks like, all they've done is created a BEC (They don't mention that in the article, am I off?) of the largest object yet, which just means they cooled the material to milli-kelvin using some kind of trap, and the material becomes a new state of matter, a Bose Einstein Condensate.

    For some reason, I expected some kind of two-slit or uncertainty principle thing with a very large object. This doesn't really seem that impressive to me, but then my quantum is a bit dated.

    1. Re:A Bose-Einstein Condensate? by JamesP · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, they did something similar to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator

      When you take an oscillator and put tiny amounts of energy into it it will behave in a QM way.

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  10. How do they confirm it's in a quantum state? by NthDegree256 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a question that I assume has a reasonable answer, just one I've never actually gotten confirmation on.

    Once they've placed this object in a quantum state, how do they verify that it's "occupying two states at once?" Do they just measure it and repeat the process several times, and note that it's occasionally at 1 quanta, occasionally at 0, and from that infer that it was in a quantum state up until they measured it?

    Second question, while I'm here - am I right in saying that according to the many-worlds interpretation, the universe branches when this object enters a quantum state, and we end up in one of two universes, one where the object has 1 quanta of energy and one where it has 0?

    Trying to grok all this "quantum mechanics" stuff :)

    1. Re:How do they confirm it's in a quantum state? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. Yes.

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    2. Re:How do they confirm it's in a quantum state? by roguegramma · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know about this experiment, but in the double-slit experiment, you can confirm that the photons pass the slit unobserved(in wave form) when you get a peculiarly structured hit pattern on the wall with the photoreactive film that can only result from the adding and cancelling of two wave distributions.

      According to the Everett interpretation, http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm, the universe will split at the time of the observation, not at the time of being placed in wave state, at least that is what section "Q7 When do worlds split?" says.

      IMO, the worlds split according to wave functions only to an uninformed observer, which we are most of the time; but we still got enough information to mess up measurements enough so that we can't prove the everett interpretation(At least my impression was that it hasn't been proven yet).

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    3. Re:How do they confirm it's in a quantum state? by radtea · · Score: 5, Informative

      Once they've placed this object in a quantum state, how do they verify that it's "occupying two states at once?"

      Interference phenomena. The article is light on detail, but presumably they excite the system into a superposition of (mechanical) normal modes and then observe the motion, or the position of some part of it, at a later time and find that it is in a classically forbidden region.

      For example, suppose they excite it into two modes that interfere to produce a node at some point, so there is no motion there, but there would be if there it was in one mode or the other. Then monitoring the motion at that point would allow you to determine if the system was in a superposition of two quantum states rather than one or the other.

      With regard to the many-worlds interpretation: it doesn't answer the really important question. Neither does consistent histories or any of the decoherence-based approaches. The really important question is, "Why is there a classical world at all?" That is, these theories purport to show that we can get along just fine without the wavefunction ever undergoing "collapse", so in some sense all possible quantum outcomes of an experiment are permitted. But they never answer (or even ask), "Why is it only via interference phenomena that we are aware of these effects? Why aren't we aware of the other components of the wavefunction all the time? Why is there a classical world at all? Is it a feature of consciousness or the physics that permits beings like us to exist, that we are selected by a basically anthropic process to be able to experience only the narrowest subset of existence? If so, how?"

      Apart from that, the article is badly misleading: it seems to suggest that anyone anywhere thinks there is anything interesting about the physical size or number of particles involved the detectability of quantum phenomena. It has been known for decades that this is not the case: the number of available modes is what matters, and any sufficiently cold object can become arbitarily large without exhibiting classical behaviour. Furthermore, phenomena like the Mossbaure Effect told us something similar half a century or so ago. It's probably time for the popular press to stop talking about the quantum equivalent of the luminiferous aether and get with the 21st century.

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  11. Re:This is awesome! by g0bshiTe · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I am convinced that science is getting us closer and closer to God. Pretty soon we're going to understand how the universe works and He's going to say "you figured it out! Come up to My kingdom!" and we'll get to go to Heaven. Blessed be!"

    More likely it'll be "OMFM! Wall hacks, BANNED!!!!!"
    OMFM = Oh My Fuckin Me

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  12. But if you look closer... by bobdotorg · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's barely visible to the naked eye, but if you look under light magnification you can read a caption:

    "I can has quantum state?"

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  13. The answer, Schrodingers kitten by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now it can AND cannot has cheezburger at the same time!

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  14. Link to naturenews story by Adaeniel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is the link to the naturenews article if anyone would like it: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100317/full/news.2010.130.html

  15. two chicks at the same time by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What lack of vision. Just put the girlfriend in the teleporter. Then put her and the copy in the teleporter again. Everybody wins. ?

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    1. Re:two chicks at the same time by sconeu · · Score: 2, Funny

      [to the tune of "Home on the Range"]

      Oh give me a clone
      Of my own flesh and bone
      With the Y chromosome changed into X
      And when we're alone
      Since her mind is my own
      She'll be thinking of nothing but sex

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  16. Been done in superconductors by climate_control · · Score: 4, Informative

    Similarly macroscopic quantum states have been achieved in superconductors. So the significance of this work is that macroscopic superposition is accomplished with a mechanical system, not an electronic one. The Nature article that the BBC is referring to: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature08967.html The BBC removed the scale bar, which shows that the resonator is about 70 microns long, with an "active region" 40 microns long. But the resonant frequency is still up in the GHz, so they only have to cool to 0.1K, which is not so hard these days.

  17. Re:Effectively? by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The object is not in two places at once. The quantum wavefunction of the object has non-negligible probability in two places at once. This means that the object is equally likely to be found in two different locations.

    The wording of the article is extremely sloppy. Remember that a wavefunction is not the object. The wavefunction is nothing more than a way to calculate the probability of finding the object in a particular place. A better description of where the object is when it is in superposition is "nowhere in particular, until measured, at which point it is highly likely to be found at point A or at point B." But that also goes for more run-of-the-mill quantum states.

    The interesting thing here is not the wavefunction, but the fact that they have achieved a coherent quantum state between about a trillion atoms.

  18. be the length of a massive Planck by spazdor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Collap5e w4veforms with your huge dong!
    c1ick here

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  19. Disproof of Penrose, evidence for MWI by SiliconEntity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it is true that '"I don't think there is a limit, that there will be a certain size where quantum mechanics starts to break down," Dr Aspelmeyer said,' then that means that even larger objects also go into superpositions of quantum states. That would go all the way up to human sized and larger. This is the fundamental principle of the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI), that when quantum measurements occur, even though we only see one outcome, actually we go into a superposition of multiple states, each of which sees a different outcome. Each state evolves independently. It is as though the world splits into parallel universes, where every possible outcome occurs in a different universe.

    This follows strictly from the principle that QM applies at all sizes. And this new experiment certainly pushes us in that direction.

    Some scientists, notably Roger Penrose, had speculated that QM would break down at macroscopic sizes. He specifically proposed that once sizes were large enough for gravitational forces to exceed some threshold, QM would break down. Wikipedia has this: "Tiny superpositions, e.g. an electron separated from itself, if isolated from environment, would require 10 million years to reach OR threshold. An isolated one kilogram object (e.g. Schrödinger's cat) would reach OR threshold in only 10^-37 seconds." Now here we have a trilliion atom object. That is about 10^13 amu, which is 10^-14 kg. Dividing 10^-37 seconds by 10^-14 we get 10^-23 seconds, which is far shorter than this experiment lasted. This means basically that this experiment disproves Penrose's theory! This is the first time this has happened, and I am (AFAIK) the first person to notice this.

    In short it is becoming harder and harder to avoid accepting the reality of parallel worlds. What this should mean for our actions is up to the philosophers, but we should not bury our heads and pretend it isn't true.