US Lawmakers Eyeing National ID Card

According to Wired (and no big surprise, considering the practicalities of implementing massive changes in medical finance), US lawmakers "are proposing a national identification card, a 'fraud-proof' Social Security card required for lawful employment in the United States. The proposal comes as the Department of Homeland Security is moving toward nationalizing driver licenses."

Comments

Re:And what's the problem here?

[rubycodez]

We're afraid of our continuing slide into a police state, and of giving the idiots who mismanage our country the further power to deny us employment or driving at a whim or for clerical error. That driver's license permission you speak of is at the state level, and moreover it works to get on a plane.

Look at how the federal government has already mismanaged and abused things with the No-Fly list, the stupidity of relying on a mere name which dozens or hundreds or thousands of other people have to determine if someone can fly or if they'll be hassled for hours at an airport. Enough already, they can't function in a competent manner with what they have, why give them even more ways to screw with our lives.

And by the way, we were NOT given the "right to health care". Something that is taken by threat of force from one person to give to another is never a "right". If it costs me money for someone else to have it is not a right.

The truth is that plenty of U.S. slashdotters who championed the success of moderate amounts of socialism in California and of healthcare and other social services in Europe are conveniently neglecting the reality that California is bankrupt and that all of the European countries are either bankrupt or soon to be.

Re:This ought to be good

[0xdeadbeef]

It's also going to piss them off because it makes voter ID laws no longer a filter against those who can't afford a car.

Re:And what's the problem here?

[clarkkent09]

Here is a tip for future reference: when somebody makes an argument in favor of LIBERTY and you reply with an argument against ANARCHY you just show your ignorance of the subject. Having liberty requires having laws that prevent people from taking it away from you, and the enforcement of those laws. Without them you can't have it. The same does not apply to healthcare, housing, food, money or free sex toys for the poor. Those are things that responsible, able bodied, adults should provide for themselves and their family. People who founded this country and many generations since understood that very well and that's what made USA the greatest and most free country in history. Not sure how it got lost on people like you, poor government provided education is my guess.

Re:Still think Obamacare is a good idea?

[Totenglocke]

The majority of the citizens were against the bill (especially easy to see when enough people in 38 states are pissed off about it that the states are planning on suing the federal government). Even large numbers of people who voted for the Democrats who forced this bill on the American people didn't support it. So I ask, what was democratic about this bill? The will of the people was not represented. The will of a group of politicians was supported.

Re:What?

[icebrain]

What do I owe to someone who has, out of choice, never worked a productive day in his life? What do I owe to someone whose only contributions to the world around him are shit, piss, and carbon dioxide? What do I owe to someone who voluntarily throws away every chance he was given to improve his lot by, oh, going to school, and instead chooses to remain a parasite on society, living off the efforts of others and refusing to do anything for himself or those he should be responsible for?

Whatever I owe to society, I'm going to put my effort of paying back into something that works. I'll fund roads and powerplants that give people jobs and the satisfaction of having done something worthwhile, but also provide something everyone can make use of. I'll fund a space program with a corresponding effort in education, so that we can get people into engineering and science and work on a project that helps mankind as a whole. I will go help build a house for someone who is honestly making an effort to improve himself and be part of society, and give him a helping hand. I will go to the fire station two days a week and ride calls to help people in trouble.

But I will not pour money into programs that, day after day, just hand people checks so they can piss them away on booze and cigarettes and useless trinkets and electronics, and sit on their ass all day doing nothing for the betterment of themselves, their family, their neighbor, or society in general... then come back and do it again the next day. I hate freeloaders. You sit there and claim a "right" to all this stuff--healthcare, housing, a "minimum standard of living"--but where is the responsibility that comes with it? Pasrasitism is never good for the host--and too many parasites kill it.