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Balloon and Duct Tape Deliver Great Space Photos

krou writes "With a budget of £500, Robert Harrison used cheap parts, a weather balloon, some duct tape, a digital camera, and a GPS device to capture some great photos of the earth from space that resulted in NASA calling him to find out how he had done it. 'A guy phoned up who worked for NASA who was interested in how we took the pictures,' said Mr Harrison. 'He wanted to know how the hell we did it. He thought we used a rocket. They said it would have cost them millions of dollars.' The details of his balloon are as follows: he used 'an ordinary Canon camera mounted on a weather balloon,' 'free software' that 'reprogrammed the camera to wake up every five minutes and take eight photographs and a video before switching off for a rest.' He also ensured the camera was 'wrapped in loft insulation' to make sure it could operate at the cold temperatures. The GPS device allowed him to pinpoint the balloon's location, and retrieve the camera when it fell down to earth attached to a small parachute."

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  1. Cool by dancingmilk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is awesome, kudos to the guy who pulled it off.

    Its also pretty sad that the engineers at NASA never thought of it...

    1. Re:Cool by sckirklan · · Score: 3, Funny

      no kidding, how do you not hang up on someone thinking your being pranked from NASA anyhow.

    2. Re:Cool by perpenso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is awesome, kudos to the guy who pulled it off.

      Its also pretty sad that the engineers at NASA never thought of it...

      Actually the "NASA" types were doing that sort of thing many decades ago, pre maned space flight. If you gave this guy hundreds of millions for a budget he would have probably built a fancy rocket too.

    3. Re:Cool by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I read an article about some kids doing that a while ago, but they did it better. They bought a prepaid cellphone with a GPS receiver built in that they reprogrammed to send them the coordinates of the balloon ever few minutes. The basket was a Styrofoam food container with chemical hand warmers that they used to keep the equipment warm. When the balloon landed, they just followed the coordinates the phone sent them.

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    4. Re:Cool by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its also pretty sad that the engineers at NASA never thought of it...

      They not only thought of it, they did it, although without the duct tape. However, they did use duct tape to keep the Apollo 13 astronauts alive on their way back from the moon (see "Moon Lost" in your favorite library).

      A lot of early NASA weather baloons were seen as UFOs. NASA called the guy because they thought he launched a rocket.

    5. Re:Cool by inerlogic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      he's european.... they're more polite than we asshole americans :)

    6. Re:Cool by arjan_t · · Score: 2, Funny

      Polite Europeans huh? Guess you never had to jump away for a bicycle approaching you at high speed while you were at the middle of a pedestrian crossing in Amsterdam! :P

    7. Re:Cool by BattleApple · · Score: 2, Funny

      What does NASA care that this guy launched a rocket?
      From the tone of the article, it sounds like they were impressed and/or curious. Any other articles you want me to read for you?

    8. Re:Cool by Look+Sir,+Droids! · · Score: 4, Informative

      yep. last september, a couple of kids from MIT... total cost was less than $150.

      http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-150-space-camera-mit-students-beat-nasa-on-beer-money-budget/

    9. Re:Cool by Sinning · · Score: 4, Funny

      In NYC the driver wouldn't have given you the time to jump out of the way.

    10. Re:Cool by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Curiosity isn't limited by "jurisdiction".

      He wanted to know how the hell we did it. He thought we used a rocket. They said it would have cost them millions of dollars

      How do you read that and not interpret it as NASA simply inquiring about their methods?

    11. Re:Cool by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even in the USA, NASA doesn't have "jurisdiction". NASA designs, builds, and launches rockets.

      The FAA is the organization that tells people whether or not it is OK to launch airborne device X in the United States.

      The FCC is the organization that tells them whether or not the mechanisms they are using for communications are permitted in the United States.

      There are international organizations that coordinate efforts between the FAA and their counterparts, and the FCC and their counterparts.

      FAA -> ICAO
      FCC -> ITU

      A lot of HAB projects look at FAA regs and say "yay we're legal" even when they're breaking a pile of FCC regs with their comms equipment.

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    12. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Chicago your warning would have been the burst of gunfire.

    13. Re:Cool by cromar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to be a bitch, but it's "coup d'état" (in the original French) or often "coup d'etat" in English.

    14. Re:Cool by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've never done it for under $1000 though, which this guy did.

      NASA's balloon would have been expensive mylar, a convoluted parachute deployment system, and vacuum insulation (which is utterly unnecessary) for the insulation of the $10,000 camera they would have used. The GPS and Camera timing software would have been custom, adding thousands more to the cost. I can't imagine NASA doing a balloon based imaging mission that cost them less than $50,000 in parts and another $200,000-$300,000 in engineering time.

      And the results would be about the same.

      That's why they were like "Holy crap, you did that for how much?" It's not that he did it, we've sent people to the moon - we know we can get these amazing shots whenever we are willing to spend the cash. It's that he did it so cheaply, with off the shelf and home-brew kit. Doing it for under $1000 is significant.

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    15. Re:Cool by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, and the people working on it also wouldn’t have done it for free in their spare time.

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    16. Re:Cool by Cryacin · · Score: 2, Funny

      When someone builds a space station that stays in orbit out of a Pringles can and duct tape.. I'll be impressed.

      That would either be one hell of a pringles can, or you'd be recruited some mighty small people to populate the space station.

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  2. Why the fancy software ? by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

    when you can just push the shutter button from your lawn chair.

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  3. The little brother is watching... by mi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The little brother is taking pictures. And videos...

    He posts them to the Internet for the rest of the little brothers and sisters to see.

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    1. Re:The little brother is watching... by N1ck0 · · Score: 2, Informative
  4. Details of the hardware ... by krou · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    1. Re:Details of the hardware ... by krou · · Score: 3, Informative
      Cached version of the document: http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:njwe-6zv-8MJ:www.robertharrison.org/icarus/wordpress/%3Fpage_id%3D36+http://www.robertharrison.org/icarus/wordpress/%3Fpage_id%3D36&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a

      (Each of the titles below has a link, so go check the document itself).

      Hardware

      Icarus Payload Hardware Setup Guide

      This is a guide on how to set up the hardware in the Icarus payload. Currently the payload contains a Canon A560 camera and a custom designed PCB which does the tracking and communication. This PCB will probably be available from me should you wish to have a one at cost.

      Timble Lassen IQ

      This is an excellent GPS with a reasonable price tag. It uses the AND clause before shutdown making it perfect for high altitude work, provided your payload is not moving like a missile :-) The AND / OR clause refers to the manufacturers having to restrict GPS's from being used for missile guidance. Some manufacturers use a rule that is based on altitude OR speed and HAB often exceeds the altitude limit and the GPS shuts down. We favor GPS's that use the altitude AND speed restriction as the payload never excees the speed limits and hence the GPS keeps functioning.

      Radiometrix

      Established in 1985 Radiometrix specialise in the design and manufacture of low power radio products for rapid implementation of high-reliability, cable-free data links. Radiometrix is the industry's leading developer of off the-shelf, licence-exempt miniature radio modules.

      ATMega8

      The ATMega8 is an excellent microchip for this kind of work. There are plenty of good tools for programing this chip using Linux, Windows or the Mac see the software pages for links. An excellent website for information about programming the avr micros, as they are commonly called is AVR Freaks .

      DS1821

      This is a superb low temperature sensor from Dallas Semiconductor (now subsidiary of Maxim-ic). The temperature range is from -55 deg C to 150 deg C making it a good choice for HAB.

      Trimble Lassen SK II

      This is an alternative to the Lassen iQ and was my first GPS. If you want to work at 5v rather than 3.3v then this might be the GPS for you. Once again this uses the the Alt & Velocity rule before shtting down. This is basically to prevent people using these modules in missile guidence systems.

      Gumstix Verdex

      Gumstix develops and sells small, inexpensive, highly functional Linux computers for outstanding development and production systems.

      Pololu Servo Controller

      Futaba S3003 Servo Standard

      Canon Digital Ixus 400

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  5. Re:All the NASA scientists couldn't think of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, of course NASA is too stupid to think of using balloons.

  6. BS? by javakah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are pictures, and even nice videos that come out every few months from folks playing around with high altitude balloons. It seems kind of unlikely to me that NASA would have just suddenly discovered this and been amazed. Until there is confirmation from NASA, I'm just going to assume this is BS, either made up by the guy, or some prankster called him.

    1. Re:BS? by sarahbau · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. There have been at least 3 nearly identical experiments posted on Slashdot in the last two years. All of them used weather balloons that got to around 100,000 feet. It's neat, but it's nothing new. There's no way NASA thought this was amazing. If someone from NASA called, it was a janitor or something, not an engineer.

  7. Sadly by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Funny

    It will require more than duct tape and £500 to resurrect his server after a slashdotting.

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  8. Photos here by mccrew · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Photos here by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      BTW, interesting how the exterior temp rose near the apex of the flight - I'm not sure I understand why. But then, this is almost rocket science.

      We're in the troposphere, where as you go higher, temperature goes down (because the effect of the ground heating gets less as the ground gets further away).

      Above the troposphere (which is anywhere from 30k-70k feet high) is the region knokwn as the tropopause, where the temperature is constant (but cold - -53C I believe). Above the tropopause is the stratosphere, where temperature actually increases due to the ozone layer absorbing UV light. I think a good weather balloon can easily reach the stratosphere and see the rise in temperature.

  9. Flat Earth Society by starglider29a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He should send a complimentary set of plans to the Flat Earth Society. They could use the perspective.

    1. Re:Flat Earth Society by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I'm sure the Earth's curve you noticed is just a lens effect...

  10. Already been done for years. by Caviller · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has bee done for year by amateurs. I have been following these people for atleast a couple of years: BEAR

    They have some AWESOME video of their attempts.

    I wonder why NASA is just now finding about about this stuff???

  11. Not Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    a balloon-mounted camera that can travel up to 21.7 miles (35km) above the surface of the Earth

    According to most people, space starts at 100km. It's impossible for a balloon to get that high, because there is no atmosphere at that height - and balloons require atmosphere. Even the blog specifically states:

    ...pictures of the Earth from near space...

    So, there it is. Not space. Only near space. Summary is wrong.

    1. Re:Not Space by Aranykai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, but "Balloon and Duct Tape Deliver Great Really High, Almost Space Photos" doesnt have the same ring.

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  12. College kids did it for a heck of a lot less money by Cwix · · Score: 5, Informative

    Umm a couple of college kids fom MIT did this last year for $150 dollars. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-150-space-camera-mit-students-beat-nasa-on-beer-money-budget/

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  13. Given NASA's new budget cuts... by gimmebeer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...this guy could be a leading US space pioneer for the next decade or so.

  14. Re:All the NASA scientists couldn't think of that? by Aranykai · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, thats a myth.

    http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

    The "space pen" was developed independently from NASA and NASA did in fact use pencils on several early missions.

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  15. Prior Art by Venotar · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was more impressed when that bunch of Catalan Highschool Students did the same thing. They also had some fairly impressive photos as well.

  16. Why is this better than NASAs balloon program? by dtolman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I mean... whats the big deal here that NASA would care?

    It has its own high altitide balloon program - where they do real science - for weeks at a time - not just cool pictures for a few hours...

    http://astrophysics.gsfc.nasa.gov/balloon/
    http://www.csbf.nasa.gov/

  17. Re:College kids did it for a heck of a lot less mo by Cwix · · Score: 2, Informative
    http://space.1337arts.com/ Here is more info about their experiment. They paid 150 for all the equipment.

    All of our supplies (including camera, GPS tracking, weather balloon, and helium) were purchased for less than a grand total of $150.

    So the tracking part was included, and if you read just a little farther it says it landed 20 miles away. I don't know home much gas costs around MIT, But I'm gonna assumed they didn't stray past $200.

    P.S. I should have posted that link as well earlier, its linked on the Wired.com page.

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  18. Re:Altimeter by bhima · · Score: 2, Funny

    Joseph Kittinger would agree.

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  19. Re:College kids did it for a heck of a lot less mo by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exchange rates between pounds and dollars are a bit tricky. Sure, 500 pounds will get you $750 at the bank, but, especially when dealing with high-tech stuff, 500 pounds will buy you about the same amount as 500 dollars.

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  20. Re:All the NASA scientists couldn't think of that? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shows how much thinking "out of the box" goes on in top engineering circles today...

    Why are you surprised? NASA spent millions to develop a pen that could write in space... the Russians used a pencil. Sometimes people look for a really complicated solution instead of going for something cheap and cheerful that gets-the-job-done.

    To be fair, though, NASA saved billions by faking the moon landing.

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  21. My kids started doing a low tech version at age 5 by davidannis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but the photos are only of where the balloon landed. A better dad would have shown them how to use GPS and a timer. At least we answered the question "Where does the wind go?" http://www.ualconsulting.com/joshua-and-ari/weatherballoon.htm

  22. FA is a troll by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FA is a troll and the article likely would not have been published if it wasn't a UK news outlet and didn't include a jab at NASA. NASA funds Spacegrant Consortiums doing high altitude balloon research at several US universities. The one I worked on was very similar except we had a license amateur radio operator so we could legally use an APRS system for tracking the balloon. Back then where was no CHDK to use for a cheap Canon camera so camera was controlled by a 555 timer circuit wired to the shutter button. The highest cost was the helium when you figure in the cost of storing large tanks of compressed gas. Our system was slightly more expensive because the payload usually also contained a logging system that stored additional sensor data like temperature and pressure.

  23. Re:But that is the opposite of true! by turbidostato · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I've personally never heard anyone claim that Americans would be extraordinarily rude..."

    Yes, but because of the sterotype: rudeness shows a certain degree of (cunning) intelligence. The stereotyped American is too dumb to be genuinely rude.

    "In fact, that is a word that most of us would probably associate with the french."

    And Parisian above all French.