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Journalism Students Assigned To Write On Wikipedia

Hugh Pickens writes "eCampus News reports that at the University of Denver, journalism students are assigned to write Wikipedia entries as part of a curriculum that stresses online writing and content creation, and students have so far composed 24 Wikipedia articles this year, covering topics from the gold standard to the San Juan Mountains to bimetallism, an antiquated monetary standard. Journalism instructors Lynn Schofield Clark and Christof Demont-Heinrich say students are told to check their sourcing carefully, just as they would for an assignment at a local newspaper. 'Students are leery about mentioning Wikipedia, because they might be subjected to criticism. But I tell them it's an online source of knowledge that just has some information that might be questionable, but that doesn't mean you have to dismiss all of [its content],' says Demont-Heinrich, who first assigned the Wikipedia writing to students in his introductory course taught during the university's recent winter semester. He said the Wikipedia entries didn't require old-school shoe leather reporting — because the online encyclopedia bars the use of original quotes — but they teach students how to thoroughly research a topic before publishing to a site that has over 350 million unique visitors and gets over 10 billion page views a month. 'I see journalism as being completely online within the next two to five years,' says Demont-Heinrich. 'If you're not trained to expect that and write for that, then you're not going to be ready for the work world.'"

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  1. Non-Notable by VGPowerlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given Wikipedia's propensity to delete articles as non-notable, I consider this a very, very bad idea.

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    1. Re:Non-Notable by delinear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe they can work with Wikipedia, by asking for a list of article stubs or proposed articles Wiki would like to see researched and written. It could be something that benefits both parties.

    2. Re:Non-Notable by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I consider this a very, very bad idea.

      Really? I consider it a very very wonderful idea. If an article is deleted, big deal. The student will most likely retain their own copy when they submit it to the professor.

      Let's take my report on Carl Sagan in high school and my lengthy paper on the pros and cons of the EU's end of the year reallocation between countries in my Macroeconomics course. The former is probably better documented on Wikipedia already but might have served as a decent seed article. The latter I cannot find anything on and am not even sure if it still goes on. Regardless, you have no option of reading any form of my two works. Any information or references I had accumulated are lost to the ages. Just like if the articles had been deemed non-notable.

      I like the idea of being able to produce something useful out of what seems like an inane exercise and to allow students the pleasure of disseminating knowledge responsibly.

      I maintain it's a great idea with no bad consequences when you compare it to the old way. The only bad thing would be if you made a very embarrassing error and it was stored in wikipedia's history for eternity. Oh well, better learn early about the foreverity of the internet. Just like my Slashdot comments.

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    3. Re:Non-Notable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assuming they write an article that cites reliable sources, it's incredibly unlikely that will happen. If it's a 20 kilobyte article about a minor video game/manga character, maybe. But if it's a historical or political article that's neutral and well-cited? I'll give you 20:1 odds (and that's only because it's a single case; amortized, I'd be willing to give much longer ones). Of course, if they stray too close to Wikipedia's unofficial official positions on controversial issues, the odds fluctuate a bit, depending on which side they're on. But the truth is always the first casualty of human conflict, and there is no fathomable way Wikipedia could be exempt from that rule.

    4. Re:Non-Notable by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe they can work with Wikipedia, by asking for a list of article stubs or proposed articles Wiki would like to see researched and written. It could be something that benefits both parties.

      Excellent. Then the students will know what to write, and the Wikipedia admins will know what to expect so they can delete it. Everyone wins!

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  2. I don't see the problem by Ltap · · Score: 4, Informative

    People are very negative about wikipedia, but generally it is accurate. It is also valuable simply to see where the writers of the articles got their information from, so it's a good starting point for researching a topic.

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    1. Re:I don't see the problem by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Informative

      but generally it is accurat

      For non-controversial subjects.

    2. Re:I don't see the problem by Locklin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who cares whether *they* are credible? What matters is if their *sources* are credible -and that is in plain sight.

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  3. Heading it of at the pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure the +5 funny/insightful "But how many will be deleted for lack of notability?" is on its way. As hilarious as such remarks are, I think they misrepresent Wikipedia. I've created many articles over the years. Not one has been deleted. A few of the tragically short ones were merged into a larger article that covered the subject as a whole. You want to know my secret? Citing sources. You know, what Wikipedia policy says to do. And for good reason.

  4. It's a great idea by dejanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Both news writing and Wikipedia (encyclopedia) writing requires one to be impartial, to establish notability of the subject and to be precise. The best part about it is that those students will quickly learn in the wiki process that their writing can be much improved and that there is more aspects to their subject then they thought.

  5. Quantum Theory by cing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A couple years ago my quantum theory course had 10% of our grade from "Contributing to Wikipedia's coverage of quantum physics and related math topics." http://am473.ca/

  6. EXCELLENT idea - student hours are not wasted by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rather than have students waste time producing busywork that the professor will Trashfile at the end of the year, they are contributing their efforts toward society. These Wiki articles will be picked-up by other editors and added to with new information, and someone like me will come along and read them years later.

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  7. Post a Comment by jamesyouwish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They should be forced to post a comment on /. if they want to learn how to take criticism.

    1. Re:Post a Comment by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

      What a stupid idea.

  8. Great, competent contributors by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just what I wanted. An undergraduate student writing an Encyclopedia article on monetary standards...

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  9. Wikinews? by Explodicle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't it make more sense to have journalism majors write for Wikinews instead? They could even get accredited for press passes.

  10. Re:Wikipedia by Locklin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always get the impression that such strong anti-Wikipedia commenters are the sort of people who, at least used to, take anything written in ink at face value. Few people develop critical thinking skills, and when criticism is brought out into the open, they become frustrated. I read peer-reviewed scientific papers published in established and respected journals on a regular basis and I rarely find a paper that I consider entirely well written and free of obvious error.

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  11. Kudos to Clark and Demont-Heinrich by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They "get it." Wikipedia is unique, but it is based on elements of traditional scholarship--citing sources--and journalism--the "neutral point of view."

    As for the snarky comments on notability, they are misplaced. The bar for notability is very low and easy to surmount, and the community culture tends to support inclusion if there is even a shred of supporting evidence to justify it. It is mostly a problem for those who object _in principle_ to bothering to provide evidence, to self-promoters who believe they should be free to use Wikipedia to publicize themselves and thus _attain_ notability, to people who regard themselves as experts and believe that they are entitled to contribute material without supporting evidence on their own authority. There is also principled opposition by people who have a different vision of what Wikipedia should be than the prevailing view.

    I have rescued a number of articles from deletion simply by citing sources. One example: an article, when originally created, read in its entirety as follows: "[name], AKA the Rarin Librarian. One of Library Journal's Mover & Shakers, West is best known for her 'blog, librarian.net." As such, it was ripe for deletion. What did I do? I found the source, the Library Journal article that called her a "mover and shaker" and demonstrated that Library Journal found her notable. I found that she'd been mentioned in The New York Times, as one of the "credentialed bloggers" given press credentials to attend a political convention, the first time that had been done. I found a Wired article about her opposition to the Patriot Act's library provisions. By adding these to the article, I showed that she had _some_ notability and allowed editors to gauge _what that degree of notability was_. That turned out to be sufficient to prevent deletion.

    The librarian was no more and no less notable than she was when the original article was inserted and nominated for deletion. All that changed was that I was willing to put in a little work, and show what amount of notability she had--more than me, less than Meryl Streep; what she was notable for (not just starting a blog); and who, exactly, had taken note of her.

    It is not hard to get a new article into Wikipedia. In an incident that demonstrated Wikipedia at its worst, some Dartmouth students who didn't follow their class assignments well contributed breezy articles in promotional language about their fraternities and their a cappella groups. They encountered a storm of criticism that unfortunately turned snarky, unkind, and dismissive as irritable editors saw Dartmouth article after Dartmouth article. Meanwhile, it almost passed unnoticed that other students had contributed valuable articles, such as one about an unfinished Jane Austen novel. This was, of course, accepted, and nobody ever suggested that there was a notability problem, even though I never heard of it and I imagine you never did, either.