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US and Russia Conclude Arms-Control Treaty

reporter writes "According to a report just published by the NY Times, Washington and the Kremlin have finalized an agreement on limiting nuclear weapons and related hardware. Notably, the agreement does not restrict American development of an anti-missile shield. Quoting: 'The new treaty will reduce the binding limit on deployed strategic nuclear warheads by more than one-quarter, and on launchers by half. It will reestablish an inspection and verification regime, replacing one that expired in December. But while the pact recognizes the dispute between the two countries over American plans for missile defense based in Europe, it will not restrict the United States from building such a shield. ... The specific arms reductions embedded in the new treaty amount to a continuing evolution rather than a radical shift in the nuclear postures of both countries. According to people in Washington and Moscow who were briefed on the new treaty, it will lower the legal limit on deployed strategic warheads to 1,550 each, from the 2,200 allowed as of 2012 under the previous treaty. It would lower the limit on launchers to 800 from the 1,600 now permitted. Nuclear-armed missiles and heavy bombers would be capped at 700 each.'"

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  1. Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Damn Obama, first healthcare and now cutting nukes whilst keeping your shield intact. You're good. I wonder how McCain/Palin would've handled the situation.

    1. Re:Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I can see^H^H^Hnuke russia from my office!"

    2. Re:Hooray by Jeng · · Score: 4, Informative

      No idea, but hey old nuclear weapons make for great nuclear fuel, so that is another bonus to this story.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatons_to_Megawatts_Program

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    3. Re:Hooray by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What can we not blow up with the 1,500 strategic warheads still permitted under the treaty!? This is mainly just going to save both of us a lot of money.

  2. Re:Ha! Russia. by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Assuming their nuclear arsenal is at the caps mentioned in this article, I'd say they're super power enough.

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  3. Re:Speaking an Unspeakable Truth to Power by GuJiaXian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you honestly willing to assume that their warheads are now all duds? Regardless of any political or environmental views or feelings, it seems naive to assume that all those weapons out there "probably wouldn't even go foom."

  4. Re:Speaking an Unspeakable Truth to Power by 1729 · · Score: 4, Informative

    We all understand what is going on here, The Won is on record saying the US should be nuke free (stupid!) and is using the Russians as an excuse to go in a direction he already wants to go.

    The President has actually requested a $624M increase for NNSA Weapons Activities in FY2011, but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

  5. Re:Ha! Russia. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    China is no superpower and the US remains one.

    China has very limited abilities to project power. Russia currently has only the ability to project a few bombers and a couple warship a few thousand miles. On land the Russians have been limited to Chechnya, Georgia and Kosovo in the last 20 years.

    Chinese military power projection is very limited, a handful of nuclear subs, most of which spend years at dock between deployments, no carriers and they lack the capability to move land forces across the Straights of Taiwan.

    The US on the other hand, well, 10 nuclear carriers, 8 amphibious assault ships, dozens of bombers capable of deployment in a few hours notice, the ability to deploy paratroopers, helicopter assault forces or Marines anywhere on the planet in 2-3 days.

  6. Re:I hope Civ V isn't bound by this. by royallthefourth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    800 nuclear missile launchers aren't enough to nuke everyone in one turn?

  7. Re:Speaking an Unspeakable Truth to Power by confused+one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pay more attention to Russia: They've found the resources they need to raise all the capital they need to maintain their military at any level they choose. They've discovered they have petroleum riches comparable to the middle east... I'd argue that their nuclear industry is in better shape than that in the United States. They also (still) have a fairly robust manufacturing capacity, which they're leveraging on the global market. Their space industry rivals, and in some ways exceeds, the technological capability of both the United States and European Union. But, your first point is correct, we're not really enemies any more.

  8. Re:Ha! Russia. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    "A superpower is a state with a leading position in the international system and the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests; it is traditionally considered to be one step higher than a great power."

    Russia no longer has a leading position, its in the G8 sure and on UNSC, but it is failing. China is in a leading position, but not in the G8 but has UNSC seat, economic power sure, but with problems just like or worse than the US has, but its bubble hasn't burst.

    They can not however project power. China and Russia lack sealift and airlift.

    China can't get forces to Taiwan, they sure couldn't get PLA forces to San Diego if they wanted to. On the other hand the US could get Marines to Hong Kong in a few days.

  9. Re:Not good by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
    "You trust the US government with nukes more than another country? I think you need your head examined."

    Oh c'mon....we've ONLY used them twice, and that was a LONG time ago for a good reason, and they were new then...we really didn't know what exactly these new shiny weapons would do!!

    :)

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  10. Do MIRVs count as 1 warhead? by molo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For those that don't know, one ICBM or SLBM rocket can launch multiple hydrogen bombs. This is known as MIRV (multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles). Each one can be aimed at different target. Does such a system count as one warhead, or do each of the bombs count separately?

    Thanks.
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