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Microsoft Adopts SVG For Internet Explorer 9
An anonymous reader writes "SVG has been a published standard for almost a decade. Microsoft has had nothing to do with it, even while every other major browser adopted SVG as a supported format and interface. Just in the last few weeks, though, Microsoft has thrown a surprising amount of its weight behind SVG." This means for IE 9, but it's a start.
It's just more mulling over the recently released IE9 preview, which went through the /. torture rack pretty much as soon as it was announced. SVG support was already there, and was discussed alongside all the other newly supported standards, so what's the point of TFS?
I commend the decision, but I don't trust them.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Always need those "teaser features" to act as a pull factor when making software that doesn't support older platforms.
this follows on the earlier announcement to support more HTML5 features on IE9. after killing netscape, IE has managed to thwart other upcoming browsers by tweaking standards in a way that developers specifically for IE and other standard compatible browser's rendering looked bad. now this was a fine business strategy except that the browser just refused to evolve. firefox happened followed by safari, chrome, etc. heck, even opera is getting more attention now, especially with euro mandated browser raffle for windows. now IE strategy of not following standards is stacking up against it, with some markets have IE share dropped to less that 50. it is trying to catch up now and actually have the audacity to suggest that they are doing a better job of following the standards, a case in point the adoption of long desired css border-radius. anyway, developers are 1 step closer to worry less about cross browser compatibility (cbc) and more about design and development
please post your java scimark score! we really need some scores for the N280, and amd's L110, thank you.
http://math.nist.gov/scimark2/run.html
I guess they now want to change the standard to accommodate their bugs.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
Browsing is also mobile browsing nowadays. Microsoft has not the capability any more to impose technologies (Silverlight etc.) on users any more. If 50% of the devices dont support your webpage and never will, you can not ignore any mor anybody who can not install some plugin. Morover IE is also loosing foothold on the desktop. So what was a move to hinder a competitor seriously (Why should i embed SVG on webpage if IE can not view it?) is slowly becoming a disadvantage. If Firefox and google chrome get the image of "just working fine" when compared to the IE and IE gets the image of causing problems, then they can stop making IE9.
Every time somone mentiones this I go to adobe and try the svg test... and I can't se anything except "Missing Plugin".
What's the trick ???
There appears to be an inverse relationship between IE market share and its implementation of standards. Applaud MS for good decisions, but never forget how they acted when they owned the market.
Earth hour? Useless! This day shall be known as IE HOUR! Everybody starts their IE's around UTC+0 12:00!
On a more serious note, why don't they do these real improvements in small increments, so that these would appear to IE8 too, but faster.
To get the plugin?
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverbs 16:25 (NKJV)
C'on guys, you're way behind. Just like it took you ages to report IE supported HTML. Oh wait....
At this rate, IE 14 might actually be worth using!
because they probably just now noticed it existed.
Just kidding, but Microsoft has been pretty insular... it seems most of the time they would rather contemplate their own navel than check to see what anybody else is doing.
They do try, bless their little cotton socks. :
Shouldn't the headline read "Microsoft embraces SVG for Internet Exploder 9?"
Thank you, Edward Snowden.
"Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
I was quite sure that there was no reason whatsoever for a plugin when the browser supports a file format.
I guess I must have been wrong...
btw. Adobe do not support their svgviewer plugin anymore.
it's their only business model... SVG is the new target to pervert. Expect their web development tools to produce subtly broken SVG that only renders correctly on the IE version... they did the exact same with html. They will go to great lengths to ensure their development tools produce websites that don't work right on other browsers. Ever such subtle glitches, but the users will end up blaming the other browser that they picked on the ballot page.
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
I hope the conference fits my schedule: http://svgopen.org/
This was announced on the 16th of March:
http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/KEY02
Call me a suspicious paranoid old bugger, but if you been buggered by someone decades, you tend to grow a bit cautious.
The more I read about IE9, the more I wonder "what's the catch". Because MS finally getting it and playing nice just doesn't seem to be an option.
And low and behold. No IE9 for XP, despite it still being sold by MS and still being widely used. The excuse: "we can't because we are only a multi-billion dollar company and can't afford to hire the very best and just make it work".
An MS apologists commented on the last article that it was impossible to run IE9 under XP because of the hardware rendering... clearly he doesn't know that A: DirectX entire point was to abstract hardware to the point it also (used to) support it purely running in software mode" and B: That all the other browsers have no such problem.
No, I see MS making the same mistake they made countless time before. Not killing of their old crap. Learn to clean up after yourself. You dumped IE6-7-8 on the world, now get rid of them.
It would be doable for MS, and they are not. Why? Because they are still the same old "can't do" company. MS apologists and the naive jumped in Windows Mobile 7 to, and then finally it was announced, no multi-tasking and no copy&past... so it was just like all the releases before, fundemental things that WERE PROMISED, not making it into the release.
So, I am going to see what MS finally delivers. Their promises have no value.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Flash has opposition now from two technologies, one is SVG and the other is Silverlight. The timing is very logical since Apple doesn't support flash on it's IPhone and Ipad. Microsoft first has to remove Flash from it's dominant position. If that plan would work out in the future Microsoft can always choose to drop SVG support and pushing forward it's Silverlight.
Recognize it for what it is, Embrace, Extend , Eliminate!
Or perhaps Fuzzybunn?
Ezekiel 23:20
In otherwords, yes you smartass, I am using a 10 year old operating system every day in production for a Ridiculously large client. Just because there's no real motivation to upgrade.
Are you fucking proud of this? Your company is a joke and you should be ashamed.
"So the next time you see a well-thought-out, reasonable-sounding response to an obviously-trollish comment on Slashdot remember: IT COULD BE AN ASTROTURFER'
Sounds sweet. Can we have some of those?
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
Look... behind your ear!! Could that be a plugin???
Try this page: SVG WOW
"The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
Just another tactic. First they "adopt" a known standard. Then they "tweak" it slightly, possibly requiring people to download the "extensions" - without of course making it easy for any one else to use these extensions (and of course, these tweaks are completely backwards incompatible - just enough to not make it work for anything else but their own platform). Then they try to sell it under a new fancy marketing name. Then more people start using it - they are convinced at this stage that Microsoft invented the technology to begin with. Then everyone starts say "well, look Micrsoft did this and this. Why can't do this and this?"... Then they try to claw their market hold back..
The trick is to visit a site that uses SVG correctly, instead of invoking the plugin explicitly. Try something like one of the w3schools examples or others.
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"AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
Or should I be grateful? Recently my team was not paid for its work because we didn't make a website available on IE6. Bug off, MS. Your browser should've died in the age of Netscape. And now, your company should also die.
Imagine all those gradients and rounded corners - how they wasted so much pre-video bandwidth. Imagine the speed at which those pages could've loaded over a 56 kbps connection. All because Microsoft had monopoly on de-facto "standards" and is abusing it. Well we don't need you anymore, dying old browser.
Dude, you must be new here. You could have summed that up with the cliche "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" and have been moderated to 5 already. Here, watch:
:)
Microsoft is clearly trying their tactic of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish using SVG.
There.
Now, just kick back and watch the moderation roll in
moox. for a new generation.
If you look at Haavard's blog on the Opera site, you will find a reference to run of the SVG 1.1 Test Suite on IE9. In contrast to Microsoft's SVG test suite (of about 104 individual tests in 7 areas), the W3C's test suite has 275 tests, each of which typically has a dozen or so subtests. On the standard test, IE9 passed 28.36 % of the tests. All other browsers are above 60%. Once SVG becomes viable, I expect that all of the other browsers will quickly advance into the 90%+ range. Opera is already well above 90%. So I welcome IE9 into the SVG crowd, but they are far behind the competition.
A skeptic, that is to say, anyone who can recall Microsoft's behavior over the past 20 years, might wonder if Microsoft ran the official SVG test suite on all competing browsers to find areas where they failed. They then built a second test where they know the others will fail. The developers then focused on implementing them correctly in IE9. This would give them bragging rights when they ran their specially crafted SVG test that focussed on these areas. But it would not help improve interoperability if they grade themselves on a new test, rather than the W2C test suite. I hope I a wrong, but like the little boy who cried wolf, Microsoft has a history of misleading the community.
Think global, act loco
Your browser might be picking the wrong mime type for SVG. I can't find the details, but I recall that an early Adobe tool established 'image/svg-xml' in the windows registry, and firefox will inherit that; changing it to 'image/svg+xml' should fix things (I suppose installing a later version of the Adobe SVG plugin should also do that, who knows).
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
Microsoft is putting their customers at risk every time they half ass these standards like they love to do. Companies spend a lot of time and money to develop these lovely web apps that only work for IE version X, then find out that because IE X+1 is trying to finally conform to standards their current app is broken. Whether we like to admit it or not, IE is getting better at security issues, but many of their customers can't upgrade b/c they built the POS that is IE 6. I have seen this again and again in organizations. No one wants to upgrade because application Y breaks when you upgrade so everyone stays with the more vulnerable IE 6. Microsoft needs to stop putting it's customers at rish in the name of vendor lock in.
I've been consistently labeled as troll in these latter times here, where I did enjoy a Insightful rate now and then.
Maybe I am now a troll without knowing, maybe moderators are wrong (or most simply don't read ACs anymore).
Either way, it's a situtation that clearly invites one to leave the room -- if one does not wish to be a troll, that is. Hmm, is there a -2, Troll? 8-)
I think you mean champing at the bit. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_%28horse%29#In_popular_culture for more detail on that.
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And that page shows why Flash is so great. Watch the CPU usage meter as the demos play.
True enough, you would think.
I needed the plugin because certain aspects of SVG weren't fully supported (such as the inclusing of text), at least in FF3.5.
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverbs 16:25 (NKJV)
C-A-N-V-A-S.
Thanks.
Last year SVG Open was organised at Google HQ and sponsored by Microsoft (among others)
This year the conference is in Paris, where Microsoft will probably sponsor too.
More via http://svgopen.org
Why do they even bother? Why not just buy Opera or use Webkit or something? Developing further on IE seems like an awful lot of work...
Your face. No one will mod your dogshit up.
Next: Step two: Extend.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
What are you babbling about. IT IS A BROWSER. Other browsers can support standards on XP, so why can't they? Opera/Firefox/Chome do it on various OS'es at the same time. So why can't MS?
Low level video functions... what do they have to do with STANDARDS?
Stop gulping down the koolaid and LOOK at what you are writing here. You are saying that MS can not produce a standard compliant browser for XP because it can't access low level video functions on its own OS.
MS still makes money from XP, so why not simply release a browser for it that is build for it? Or do you really believe a BROWSER needs such specific access to video systems to run fast unlike COUNTLESS games?
And how come all the other browser makers don't need this access?
Come back when you have taken Ballmer's cock out of your mouth.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Too bad those astroturfers won't do much to diminish the population of worthless jackasses, like yourself.
And, please, understand that's not intended as a troll. I think you're an utterly worthless jackass, and I really do mean that as an honest appraisal of you, rather than a deliberate attempt to hurt your feelings, or frustrate or anger you, or goad you into some kind of an argument.
It's just that - in terms of ultimate value in the universe - you're about as worthwhile as an outsized spirochete, a syphilitic presence in the world that just serves to diminish the joy, the progress of living, thinking things as a whole.
Anyway, here's hoping you live out the remainder of your existence in total isolation, so that your (further) pernicious effect on life is entirely mitigated; or failing that, that may you die quickly and painlessly of some disease that's quick moving and non-contagious. Perhaps something that incidentally causes sterility, so that the decent sentient beings in the universe are spared any possibility of your continued influence in our world.
No great OS would be able to get a monopoly-like adoption on even PC desktops. The reason is that users have disparate needs, and only lock-in can make they agree on a pltaform. A great OS has no lock-in, by definition.
See how many different distros are used just on the ninche ocupied by Linux. One company would never be able to do all those tasks equaly well.
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Wait... what? They didn't even have that in IE 8?
Some markets? Their worldwide browser share has plummeted to around 54%. http://gs.statcounter.com/ I assume strongholds like Korea are IE for character set reasons, but they'll be less than 50% worldwide in just a few more months. The web stagnated for 10 years because of MS. Now that they're losing their grip, they're back to play embrace, extend, extinguish once again. This time they're not going to be able to crush some little one product company like Netscape though. They're up against Google and Apple. I hope those two stomp a mudhole in MS once and for all.
Any relation to Marcel?